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Trade Ideas - Part 2

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#181 » by Niko23 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:13 pm

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Niko23 wrote:The 19th pick in the draft is not worth $18 million IMO

Depends what you're getting at 19... Perry Jones, Terence Jones, Royce White, Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless, Andrew Nicholson, Tony Wroten...

Make the right pick and you could find a starting caliber player paying him a million something a year...


Ya.....I could go down to the Casino and put 1,000 bucks on black 29.......I mean....if I win.....I get 38k.....think about it.......

And oh ya the Mavs are probably looking to dump the 17th pick to try and sign Deron. My guess is we wont have to pay 18 million for it.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#182 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:51 pm

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Niko23 wrote:The 19th pick in the draft is not worth $18 million IMO

Depends what you're getting at 19... Perry Jones, Terence Jones, Royce White, Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless, Andrew Nicholson, Tony Wroten...

Make the right pick and you could find a starting caliber player paying him a million something a year...


Ya.....I could go down to the Casino and put 1,000 bucks on black 29.......I mean....if I win.....I get 38k.....think about it.......

And oh ya the Mavs are probably looking to dump the 17th pick to try and sign Deron. My guess is we wont have to pay 18 million for it.

I think you should give your front office a little bit more credit on their scouting ability than comparing them to going to a casino.

If you can get the 17th pick too isn't that just a bonus? Why is it either or between that and 19? Also your suggestion that $18M over 3 years would be back breaking for your team is ... IN-TER-ES-TING..... :roll:
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#183 » by Niko23 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:05 pm

You are more than welcome to post the trade on the GB to get unbiased feedback. Regardless of how you want to count the dollars - it is still 18 million dollars. But again - post it on the GB and see what happens.
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Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#184 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:00 pm

Al Jefferson, Raja Bell, Jazz first next year (some sort of protection, say top 10) for
Verajao, Walton and the number 4 pick.

Jazz really want Lillard and feel they have to jump the Kings to get him. The Jazz future bigs are Favors and Kanter, so AJ or Millsap have to be moved.

Jefferson gives you a proven 20 and 10 center to pair with Tristan. Plus a 1st round pick next year to help continue to build.

Seems like a win win. But I don't know what Cavs fans would think. So, what do you think?
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#185 » by Niko23 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:04 pm

Sigh....horrible.....just horrible
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Post#186 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:12 pm

OK, that just shocks me. You get the better player, a guy that ranked #12 in EFF last year in the NBA. We take on 2 bad contracts, give you a first round pick, take on an unknown talent for a proven talent. And you think that is a terrible deal. I thought I was giving away the farm, for the chance to get the Jazz a PG. Who may or may not turn into an NBA level PG.

Ok, this just boggles the mind.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#187 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:18 pm

Really, you see no value to a 27 year old center hitting his prime that gives you, 19.2 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.7 blocks last year. I am in shock, really. Wow. Ok then. Good luck in the lotto again next year.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#188 » by tidho » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:23 pm

I don't think I'd trade Andy for Jefferson straight up, lol.
Nice numbers, but no defense.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#189 » by Niko23 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:34 pm

Post it on the GB Trade Board and you can get an unbiased opinion........
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#190 » by zol2332 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:55 pm

We need to sign wing depth anyway. His deal is somewhat reasonable if it gets us a first in a deep draft.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#191 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:01 pm

tidho wrote:I don't think I'd trade Andy for Jefferson straight up, lol.
Nice numbers, but no defense.

He is not D12 but he is not a bad defender. I mean after watching Boozer all those years, Booz makes AJ look like an elite defender. Plus he gets you 1.7 blocks. I mean he does not have the fastest feet on the planet but he plays good position defense of staying between his man and the basket and he is big and strong. Provides good rotation help, he does not recover well from the help. While not on the level of Favors or D12, he is serviceable on defense. Jazz fans are not yelling "Ole!" any more, like when Boozer was here.

I can think of many defenders at the 5 that are worse than AJ. But I can think of a lot that are better. He is a pretty average one on one defender. Above average help defender. All I know is, he has been a night and day difference between him and Boozer. We much prefer him to Boozer in every way.

And if you offered Andy to the any Jazz fan for AJ straight up, they would not stop laughing for a week. I mean he is 2 years old and a third the player and who really has his best years behind him. Andy is a guy that really relies on his hustle and quickness to make things happen. At the age of 30, that stuff really goes south fast.

Which is one of the good things about AJ. He plays a very mental game, using smarts and his size to get things done, which means at age 32 he should be close to the same guy he is at age 27.

I think you highly under value AJ and really over value Andy. Which is fine. Most fans do, they think the world of their guys and not so much guys they don't see a lot.

I personally think AJ gets the Cavs into the playoffs next year. I also think, no one you get at number 4 is going to get you 20 points and 10 rebounds a night next year. I also thought the trade was lop sided for the Cavs. But you don't think so. That's fine, we all have our opinions. And I just wanted yours. I was a little shocked, OK, blown away, you thought so little of it.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#192 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:05 pm

Niko23 wrote:Post it on the GB Trade Board and you can get an unbiased opinion........

I did not want an unbiased opinion, I wanted a Cavs fan opinion. And I got one. Not the one I expected. But I got what I asked for and I am fine with that.

Its all in fun, I mean I have no say in what the Jazz do or what the Cavs do. So it is all just good banter.

Good luck in the draft, I hope you get who you want.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#193 » by jpsteven » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:15 pm

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Niko23 wrote:Post it on the GB Trade Board and you can get an unbiased opinion........

I did not want an unbiased opinion, I wanted a Cavs fan opinion. And I got one. Not the one I expected. But I got what I asked for and I am fine with that.

Its all in fun, I mean I have no say in what the Jazz do or what the Cavs do. So it is all just good banter.

Good luck in the draft, I hope you get who you want.


You want an opinion from a Cavs fan this trade is horrible. Nohing against you but it just would not be something that the Cavs would consider. We highly value the 4th pick as a long-term piece to build around Kyrie Irving and don't want the black hole's (Al Jefferson) expiring contract. Like someone said we wouldn't trade Andy straight up for him. Hell even if you switched Big Al for Favors or Kanter we still probably wouldn't do this trade. Good luck in the draft I love how you guys are building your team.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#194 » by B Mac » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:01 pm

A couple of things:

-The Cavs turned down a trade for Al Jefferson before the Jazz traded for him and stated that he didnt fit in Byron Scott's offense.

-The Cavs were offered a package from Golden State centered around Varejao for the 7th pick in this draft.

I see absolutely no reason at all why we would give up the 4th pick, AV, and an expiring contract for Big Al and a heavily protected future pick. Its actually pretty laughingly bad, so Im confused by your shocked reaction.

I guess I can sum it up by saying its just not the direction the Cavs are looking to go.

With that said, Im moving this to the Trade Thread where it belongs.
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#195 » by Dupp » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:13 pm

tidho wrote:I don't think I'd trade Andy for Jefferson straight up, lol.
Nice numbers, but no defense.


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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#196 » by RaulLopez » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:22 pm

B Mac wrote:A couple of things:

-The Cavs turned down a trade for Al Jefferson before the Jazz traded for him and stated that he didnt fit in Byron Scott's offense.

-The Cavs were offered a package from Golden State centered around Varejao for the 7th pick in this draft.

I see absolutely no reason at all why we would give up the 4th pick, AV, and an expiring contract for Big Al and a heavily protected future pick. Its actually pretty laughingly bad, so Im confused by your shocked reaction.

I guess I can sum it up by saying its just not the direction the Cavs are looking to go.

With that said, Im moving this to the Trade Thread where it belongs.

Well that makes sense. See to explain you want more youth over vets, helps instead of saying "just terrible". Also, I had no idea you guys really like AV as much as you do. I only threw him in there to make salaries match, I really did not want him. His future salary was more of an issue I really wanted to deal with. Nor did I know Scott did not like AJ.

Knowing all that the only trade that makes sense is, Kanter for #4 and Walton. I don't know what I think of that. Trade a center for a PG. Seems like there is an unwritten rule you don't do that. If I knew in my heart Lillard was going to be good, I guess I could do that. But I don't know for sure he will be good. Hmmmm that is a tough one, gambling with a known for an unknown. Because I know Kanter will be good.

Well thanks for giving me insight into what the Cavs are looking for. I don't think the Jazz have anything each other is really looking for. Have to think of another way to get Lillard. Maybe the Kings.....

I hope what ever SF you want drops to you.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#197 » by TheOUTLAW » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:59 pm

anyone viewing Varejao as a throw in is horribly misguided. In fact, I end up wondering what they know about basketball.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#198 » by BossHoggin » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:43 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:anyone viewing Varejao as a throw in is horribly misguided. In fact, I end up wondering what they know about basketball.

+1

They only watch ESPN top 10
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Re: Would the Cavs do this trade? 

Post#199 » by cucad8 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:16 am

RaulLopez wrote:Al Jefferson, Raja Bell, Jazz first next year (some sort of protection, say top 10) for
Verajao, Walton and the number 4 pick.

Jazz really want Lillard and feel they have to jump the Kings to get him. The Jazz future bigs are Favors and Kanter, so AJ or Millsap have to be moved.

Jefferson gives you a proven 20 and 10 center to pair with Tristan. Plus a 1st round pick next year to help continue to build.

Seems like a win win. But I don't know what Cavs fans would think. So, what do you think?

unbiased portland fan. That trade sucks hard for Cleveland.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#200 » by fugop » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:55 am

Biased Wizards fan (dislike Cavs): Varejao is worth more than Al Jefferson.

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