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#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

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Post#681 » by xTitan » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:35 am

LUKE23 wrote:Ellis won't be traded is my guess, but my guess is that he also bolts Milwaukee first chance he gets (so next summer).


I think the smart money says nobody who will be free agents next year will be dealt, will be kept around to get that all important 8th seed.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#682 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:38 am

LUKE23 wrote:Ellis won't be traded is my guess, but my guess is that he also bolts Milwaukee first chance he gets (so next summer).



If you give Ellis a few guys to pass to I think he can be happy here. My money is that Young Money is the one who can't stand the small market and would bolt much faster. Plus, he's proven to not be clutch (not to mention a head case). Package Jennings and whoever for as high of a first as you can get.
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Post#683 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:40 am

The second Monta stepped out of the And-1 Mixtape Warriors he looked not extremely average, but rather pretty bad.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#684 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:43 am

-Jragon- wrote:If you give Ellis a few guys to pass to I think he can be happy here. My money is that Young Money is the one who can't stand the small market and would bolt much faster. Plus, he's proven to not be clutch (not to mention a head case). Package Jennings and whoever for as high of a first as you can get.


LOL. No.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#685 » by mattg » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:49 am

emunney wrote:I think it's funny to say somebody's not as athletic is Zach Randolph, he's more like Drew Gooden. Gooden is 10x the athlete Randolph is.

I was comparing play style. Pick n pop PF who is bad at defense.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#686 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:50 am

LUKE23 wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:If you give Ellis a few guys to pass to I think he can be happy here. My money is that Young Money is the one who can't stand the small market and would bolt much faster. Plus, he's proven to not be clutch (not to mention a head case). Package Jennings and whoever for as high of a first as you can get.


LOL. No.


I say you give Jennings his wish and trade him to a huge market so the I can watched him get ripped daily for being an anti-clutch ball hog that's scared of contact.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#687 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:52 am

-Jragon- wrote:I say you give Jennings his wish and trade him to a huge market so the I can watched him get ripped daily for being an anti-clutch ball hog that's scared of contact.

And then you let Monta chuck your team into the lottery, what's the difference?
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#688 » by DH34Phan » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:57 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:To get behind this team fully (even to fight or 8th seed) I'd need to see Gooden getting backup minutes and Monta being traded. Unless both of those happen I'd honestly be hoping for loses from day 1.

Don't lie, you'd still find something to bitch about. You haven't had a positive post about this team in over 2 years.
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Post#689 » by Wise1 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:59 am

I somehow missed the memo where Jennings says he prefers a larger market.
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Post#690 » by europa » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:01 am

Wise1 wrote:I somehow missed the memo where Jennings says he prefers a larger market.


The Jennings camp definitely believes being in a small market cost him an All-Star berth this past season.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#691 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:02 am

DH34Phan wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:To get behind this team fully (even to fight or 8th seed) I'd need to see Gooden getting backup minutes and Monta being traded. Unless both of those happen I'd honestly be hoping for loses from day 1.

Don't lie, you'd still find something to bitch about. You haven't had a positive post about this team in over 2 years.

True, we've had a good amount of stuff to get excited about.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#692 » by Wise1 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:06 am

Bleh. Jennings is no different than any other player in this league. He'll play wherever he can find the best deal. If the Bucks are committed to keeping him in Milwaukee, he'll be here. I personally don't think he'll break the bank with a max extension. The team hasn't been successful enough for that. Jennings strikes me as a level headed youngster for the most part. I don't see him trying to bend the organization over.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#693 » by Bfinkish » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:14 am

Interesting no one is talking about the second rounder and cash we recieve in the deal as well.... Anyone have specs on that? What year is the second rounder for and how much money did we get?
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#694 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:25 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:I say you give Jennings his wish and trade him to a huge market so the I can watched him get ripped daily for being an anti-clutch ball hog that's scared of contact.

And then you let Monta chuck your team into the lottery, what's the difference?


Difference is: Monta can pass, be clutch, and draw fouls. Jennings can do none of the above, but his best asset is long range shooting (like 120th in the league.. oooooo), no thanks.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#695 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:27 am

Bfinkish wrote:Interesting no one is talking about the second rounder and cash we recieve in the deal as well.... Anyone have specs on that? What year is the second rounder for and how much money did we get?


That's because noone GAF. We traded down 2 spots, gave up virtually no NBA talent, and received a legit C, which everyone needs.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#696 » by Frank Nova » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:30 am

Where are all the likings of Dalembert to the other potential blunders that were our center options moving into the season. Overpaying Kaman or Hawes, drafting Zeller or Leonard. I'll take Sam Dalembert and pick 14 for pick 12 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times and not even think twice.

Our options at center were looking so bleak and awful I can't see how ppl have anything to cry about with this deal.

Why isn't anyone talking about this? Is it because it's too much of a positive around here? That's a freaking shame. Jon Brockman is officially an embarrassment on a different team.

I mean how many realistic options out there were better Bogut replacements than Dalembert? We can name better centers than Daly but realistic possibilities of us stealing 1 away like we did Daly? Ibaka surely but how realistic is that? None what so ever. Daly is fearless with a super long frame/wingspan and never misses games. Bogut was somewhat fearless with a good frame that always missed games. Bogut is the better all around center and younger, BUT, Daly does everything Bogut did on D just about as good and hes definitely the type u need behind a Jennings/Monta backcourt. I'm not usually one that advocates "stop gap, band aid" moves but this is definitely a really good 1.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#697 » by paul » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:31 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:I say you give Jennings his wish and trade him to a huge market so the I can watched him get ripped daily for being an anti-clutch ball hog that's scared of contact.

And then you let Monta chuck your team into the lottery, what's the difference?


Difference is: Monta can pass, be clutch, and draw fouls. Jennings can do none of the above, but his best asset is long range shooting (like 120th in the league.. oooooo), no thanks.


Jennings is at least the equal in terms of passing ability of Monta, and he can dribble 4 times in a row without turning it over.

Plus, if you think Jennings is me-first has Monta got a surprise for you....
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#698 » by paul » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:33 am

weezybaby856 wrote:Where are all the likings of Dalembert to the other potential blunders that were our center options moving into the season. Overpaying Kaman or Hawes, drafting Zeller or Leonard. I'll take Sam Dalembert and pick 14 for pick 12 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times and not even think twice.

Our options at center were looking so bleak and awful I can't see how ppl have anything to cry about with this deal.

Why isn't anyone talking about this? Is it because it's too much of a positive around here? That's a freaking shame. Jon Brockman is officially an embarrassment on a different team.

I mean how many realistic options out there were better Bogut replacements than Dalembert? We can name better centers than Daly but realistic possibilities of us stealing 1 away like we did Daly? Ibaka surely but how realistic is that? None what so ever. Daly is fearless with a super long frame/wingspan and never misses games. Bogut was somewhat fearless with a good frame that always missed games. Bogut is the better all around center and younger, BUT, Daly does everything Bogut did on D just about as good and hes definitely the type u need behind a Jennings/Monta backcourt. I'm not usually one that advocates "stop gap, band aid" moves but this is definitely a really good 1.


I think pretty much everyone is at least relatively happy with the trade.

That said comparing him straight up to Bogut is not going to help your point.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#699 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:36 am

The difference between Monta and Jennings really isn't that much and to say Jennings doesn't pass but Monta does is ludacris, both are me first chuckers. Only difference really is Jennings has a chance to improve where Monta is a finished product.
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Re: #12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert 

Post#700 » by paul » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:38 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:The difference between Monta and Jennings really isn't that much and to say Jennings doesn't pass but Monta does is ludacris, both are me first chuckers. Only difference really is Jennings has a chance to improve where Monta is a finished product.


Yep.

That and Jennings can dribble four times in a row without turning it over.

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