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Post#21 » by Hamyltowne » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:36 am

dagger wrote:I said a few days ago that the team should have an outsider conduct a "best practices" review of conditonning, warmup, training practices. This is more than bad luck, and teams that have statistically anomalous runs of injuries do seek re-assurance that they aren't doing something that is causing it. I was laughed at for the suggestion, but three elbow injuries in two weeks among five guys, plus Morrow's oblique?

I remember that. You suggested they audit the team's traning staff. Good idea, then, and it's a **** ing great idea, now.
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Post#22 » by Holmes » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:37 am

If you were young and athletically talented, I don't know why anybody would want a career as a MLB starting pitcher or a NFL running back.
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Post#23 » by Hamyltowne » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:43 am

SharoneWright wrote:But,,, If I'm your portfolio manager at an investment firm, and I lost 80% of your value over a few months, it would be proper for me to be released. And I'm not sure why anyone would think I should stay. Forgiveness? Charity?

Regardless, this year's outcomes have been unacceptable.

I'm not sure the context carries over on to the baseball diamond, but I see your point in that scrutiny and performance inquiries are just deserts for losing 80% of your starting pitching.
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Post#24 » by Hamyltowne » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:48 am

Holmes wrote:If you were young and athletically talented, I don't know why anybody would want a career as a MLB starting pitcher or a NFL running back.

Not quite on par with your usual stuff.
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Post#25 » by SharoneWright » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:48 am

Naturally, the residual value of these 4 starters is not 0. I recognize as much. But we have seen 4 assets depreciated recently. And if we are not managing to win this year, we should at least preserve our capital/future earnings potential...

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Post#26 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:59 am

SharoneWright wrote:Ok. That's the way it goes.

And that's exactly why Lind should hit clean-up... 'cause hey, that's the way it goes.

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Farrell has direct control over whether Lind hits clean-up. Just like Arnsberg, Walton doesn't have any control at all over whether his pitchers develop elbow injuries.
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Post#27 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:02 am

jrsmith wrote:If anyone should be blamed for this bad luck it would be AA, for filling out the rotation with young unprepared pitchers, replacing them with young unprepared pitchers and then replacing them with rec league scrubs.

Exactly. Young pitchers carry far greater performance and injury risk than proven, known commodities and yet this team went with three of them.
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Post#28 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:16 am

Hindsight's a b*#&% isn't it. Easy to place blame now.
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Re: Fire Walton 

Post#29 » by satyr9 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:27 am

dagger wrote:
tiger7 wrote:If your going to fire anyone it may as well be the strength and conditioning coach as it seems he doesn't have his pitchers ready for the rigors of a full season.


I said a few days ago that the team should have an outsider conduct a "best practices" review of conditonning, warmup, training practices. This is more than bad luck, and teams that have statistically anomalous runs of injuries do seek re-assurance that they aren't doing something that is causing it. I was laughed at for the suggestion, but three elbow injuries in two weeks among five guys, plus Morrow's oblique?


Well it isn't necessarily more than bad luck or bad timing, but I think they probably will do what you're suggesting, although probably a little less formally than that. It wouldn't shock me one bit if someone calls a friend or a respected ex-colleague or two they trust and ask them to look over how they've been handling their pitchers, but whether there's an issue there or not it's still not going to be anyone's fault as it won't be some glaring, "then we put needles in the arms to degrade the ligaments, bwahahahahaha!" type issue in their regimen.

I think it's most likely just crazy coincidence, but because of how AA and co. have dealt with arms all the way through the system, I would guess they might try to get some extra guidance on how they're handling the big league squad and what they might do to prevent future problems, or what they may already be doing that's exacerbating it.

But instead of fire Walton, I'm going to go with this is an Orioles conspiracy. They've obviously given their bullpen super human juice, so why can't they also have elbow destroyer that they're slipping in the Jays' gatorade? The already got Pineda, but I guess they see us as the real threat since they took out so many of our starters compared to NYY/TB/BOS
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Re: Fire Walton 

Post#30 » by Lucky26 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:34 pm

He has been mainly credited with starting Morrow from scratch.
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Post#31 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:04 pm

In Cito's last year, who was the pitching coach? The Fan was always talking abut his unique program of long toss between starts for pitchers, how it was building arm strength and preventing injuries. When Farrel came did he keep that coach, or change to the current one? They should have kept the guy under Cito, (unless they did)

edit - Brad Arnsperg, was that the guy? They should have kept him, innovative approach, no injuries.
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