Discussing Other Teams' Moves

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Another option might be a blockbuster Justin Harper for Shelvin Mack.

Might just as well add Drew Gordon (undrafted) for SL. We do need Mack to back up Wall unless we add a guy, and I don't see the room unless we amnesty blatche.

[Hoopalotta]

You know, tactically, the Wizards and the Jazz are basically doing to same thing this offseason. The Jazz used their TPE on Mo Williams (expiring @ $8.5 million) and then traded an expiring Devin Harris for two years of Marvelous (about an extra $7.5 million on the books in the 2013-2014 season). That's basically a miniature version of the Okafor/Ariza trade with them spending an extra $16 million on perimeter rent-a-vets.

The difference is that the Jazz have all of their vets expiring and have piles of cap space, but it's very similar as far as what each team is trying to do this season: placeholders on the cap to create a functional developmental environment for their younger players.

[hands11]

So the silly season is in full swing.

I read NJ is done trying to get Howard and that it would be him to Dallas or LAL instead. I am so sick of him. I hope wherever he lands the team fails. He is the new LeBron.

So any word on Nick and McGee and what my happen with them ?

As for Boston. Not surprised if they bring back Ray Allen. I hope he resigns there and retired in Boston.

[LyricalRico]

You know, tactically, the Wizards and the Jazz are basically doing to same thing this offseason. The Jazz used their TPE on Mo Williams (expiring @ $8.5 million) and then traded an expiring Devin Harris for two years of Marvelous (about an extra $7.5 million on the books in the 2013-2014 season). That's basically a miniature version of the Okafor/Ariza trade with them spending an extra $16 million on perimeter rent-a-vets.

The difference is that the Jazz have all of their vets expiring and have piles of cap space, but it's very similar as far as what each team is trying to do this season: placeholders on the cap to create a functional developmental environment for their younger players.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them swap Milsap for a guard, even if that player has a longterm deal.

[verbal8]

So the silly season is in full swing.

I read NJ is done trying to get Howard and that it would be him to Dallas or LAL instead. I am so sick of him. I hope wherever he lands the team fails. He is the new LeBron.

So any word on Nick and McGee and what my happen with them ?

It seems Denver wants to extend McGee.

I think Nick Young is in the 3rd tier of available Free Agents. The Nets have their entire roster in play in trade discussions, so teams will likely look at acquiring Morrow or Marshon Brooks first. I also think guys(journeymen rotation players) like Foye will go in the 2nd round of FAs not because they are better than Young, but because they more likely to sign a short deal.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee is going to look better and better post-Wizards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Broussard is talking a 2 team trade at the moment on Mike and Mike in the morning and ESPN is blowing it up on there bottomline.....

Sources: The Nets & Magic are discussing a trade that would send Dwight Howard to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphies, Marshon Brooks and picks.
Nets' picks that would be traded to Orlando would be 2013, 2015 and 2017, source says....

I think that has the makings of a deal to finally move Howard. The players and picks above sound like a very good deal for the Magic.

The Nets will be fielding Joe Johnson and Deron Williams -- two over-rated players -- along w/ Dwight Howard. What will Howard say and do when they don't contend for a title I wonder?

And I also wonder why anyone would hire Billy King as a team's GM.

I do think JJ is overrated. I do not think the Nets with all those players would set the world on fire.

However, if Brooklyn opens up in their new location with Dwight Howard on the roster they will sell a lot of tickets and they will generate a lot of revenue on merchandising. They want Howard for $ more than even to just be competitive, IMO. He is the big name.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Broussard is talking a 2 team trade at the moment on Mike and Mike in the morning and ESPN is blowing it up on there bottomline.....

Sources: The Nets & Magic are discussing a trade that would send Dwight Howard to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphies, Marshon Brooks and picks.
Nets' picks that would be traded to Orlando would be 2013, 2015 and 2017, source says....

Those could make this deal look really good for the Magic. Also I think they get enough pieces to field a respectable(possible play-offs) team. I wonder if there might be a possiblity of trading with the Magic to get a shooter. The Wizards might have the cap space to trade for Reddick if Blatche is amnestied. Another option might be a blockbuster Justin Harper for Shelvin Mack.

I think Jameer Nelson makes more sense for the Wizards than Trevor Ariza. He is a better shooter and a better player. I feel the same about Jason Richardson.

Justin Harper is a guy we talked about before his draft. He is the kind of shooter the Wizards could get. I wouldn't mind swapping Ariza, Crawford, Mack, C. Singleton and/or Booker in a deal with the Magic.

[nate33]

The Nets will be fielding Joe Johnson and Deron Williams -- two over-rated players -- along w/ Dwight Howard. What will Howard say and do when they don't contend for a title I wonder?

And I also wonder why anyone would hire Billy King as a team's GM.

I do think JJ is overrated. I do not think the Nets with all those players would set the world on fire.

However, if Brooklyn opens up in their new location with Dwight Howard on the roster they will sell a lot of tickets and they will generate a lot of revenue on merchandising. They want Howard for $ more than even to just be competitive, IMO. He is the big name.

I don't think Deron Williams is overrated. Well, perhaps he was a bit overrated when he was put in the same echelon as Chris Paul. But he's still a top 12 or so player and arguably the 2nd best PG in the game.

Assuming they get Howard, they will have the best center, the second-best PG, and a top 7 SG. Furthermore, those players mesh better than Miami's Big Three.

I agree that JJ is a bit overrated. I think the Nets would have been better off with just Deron Williams, Dwight Howard and more cap flexibility for role players.

[LyricalRico]

If Orlando holds out all this time and goes through all this with Howard...only to end up with Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, and a bunch of low firsts...it'll be shame. As far as I can tell, the deal wouldn't even rid Orlando of Turkgolu's contract.

[Severn Hoos]

I saw the headline about the Nets signing a Teletubby and wanted to check to see if he's any good. So when I googled him, this picture came up at the top of the heap:



At first I was sure that was our boy Jan he was holding, and it didn't look good, if you know what I mean. But then I guess all white guys look alike to me...


P.S., it's really Andy Samberg.

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If Orlando holds out all this time and goes through all this with Howard...only to end up with Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, and a bunch of low firsts...it'll be shame. As far as I can tell, the deal wouldn't even rid Orlando of Turkgolu's contract.

Apparently Bynum is the latest target, which makes a lot of sense for all parties.

If Orlando sends Howard to NJ, I wonder if they add a Hedo for Wallace swap. I think the salaries would be pretty much match up. Also I think Wallace and Ryan Anderson could compliment each other well at the forward spots.

[nate33]

If Orlando holds out all this time and goes through all this with Howard...only to end up with Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, and a bunch of low firsts...it'll be shame. As far as I can tell, the deal wouldn't even rid Orlando of Turkgolu's contract.

Apparently Bynum is the latest target, which makes a lot of sense for all parties.

If Orlando sends Howard to NJ, I wonder if they add a Hedo for Wallace swap. I think the salaries would be pretty much match up. Also I think Wallace and Ryan Anderson could compliment each other well at the forward spots.

That seems much more fair. Though if I'm Orlando, I'd still prefer Bynum.

[Illuminaire]

McGee is going to look better and better post-Wizards.

I love watching you swing back and forth on this. Next season, we may need an entire thread just for you to debate yourself over the merits and failures of Javale McGee and his hot momma.

[fishercob]

I am wondering if the "stretch provision" of the new CBA is behind these ballooning deals to Landry Fields, Asik, etc.

The stretch provision allows teams to spread out the cap hit of a waived player over twice the remaining term + one year.

So if a guy has 2 years at $10M/yr remaining, he can be "stretched" (waived), and instead of having a $10M cap hit for 2 years, you get a $4M cap hit for 5 yrs.

It's only good on deals signed after the new CBA.

So even though Fields deal with TOR has him getting a reported $9.9M in his third year, I bet there's a decent chance he is waived and TOR has 3 years of $3.3M in dead money.

[closg00]

McGee is going to look better and better post-Wizards.

I love watching you swing back and forth on this. Next season, we may need an entire thread just for you to debate yourself over the merits and failures of Javale McGee and his hot momma.

As someone who has posted about McGee post-trade, one can believe that Mcgee will improve elsewhere while noting the improvements that Nene brings at that position for us. It also doesn't erase the reasons why Denver traded him. I hope Nene stays healthy.

[nate33]

I am wondering if the "stretch provision" of the new CBA is behind these ballooning deals to Landry Fields, Asik, etc.

The stretch provision allows teams to spread out the cap hit of a waived player over twice the remaining term + one year.

So if a guy has 2 years at $10M/yr remaining, he can be "stretched" (waived), and instead of having a $10M cap hit for 2 years, you get a $4M cap hit for 5 yrs.

It's only good on deals signed after the new CBA.

So even though Fields deal with TOR has him getting a reported $9.9M in his third year, I bet there's a decent chance he is waived and TOR has 3 years of $3.3M in dead money.

I don't think so. The Stretch Provision doesn't sound like a very good deal to me. It technically doesn't save any money or any salary cap space. It just reshuffles it a bit. The only time I expect it to be used is if a team is on a championship run and has to pull out all the stops to keep the core together for an extra year or two.

That Landry Fields contract is wack though. $20M for 3 years for a wing who posts a PER of 12 while playing modestly above-average D?

[Illuminaire]

As someone who has posted about McGee post-trade, one can believe that Mcgee will improve elsewhere while noting the improvements that Nene brings at that position for us. It also doesn't erase the reasons why Denver traded him. I hope Nene stays healthy.

Completely agree. I hope McGee does pull it together, and I hope Nene helps make us a force in the East.

I hope I didn't come across as negative regarding CCJ or his comments - I only intended benign bemusement.

[fishercob]

I am wondering if the "stretch provision" of the new CBA is behind these ballooning deals to Landry Fields, Asik, etc.

The stretch provision allows teams to spread out the cap hit of a waived player over twice the remaining term + one year.

So if a guy has 2 years at $10M/yr remaining, he can be "stretched" (waived), and instead of having a $10M cap hit for 2 years, you get a $4M cap hit for 5 yrs.

It's only good on deals signed after the new CBA.

So even though Fields deal with TOR has him getting a reported $9.9M in his third year, I bet there's a decent chance he is waived and TOR has 3 years of $3.3M in dead money.

I don't think so. The Stretch Provision doesn't sound like a very good deal to me. It technically doesn't save any money or any salary cap space. It just reshuffles it a bit. The only time I expect it to be used is if a team is on a championship run and has to pull out all the stops to keep the core together for an extra year or two.

That Landry Fields contract is wack though. $20M for 3 years for a wing who posts a PER of 12 while playing modestly above-average D?

I'm not saying it's a "good deal." I'm just trying to make sense of Landry Fields making close to $10M in a single season. I can see GM's selling deals to their owners this way.

[queridiculo]

How long before this loophole is closed, otherwise what exactly is the point of the Arenas provision?