FOX Sports: Jays might trade Rasmus for a starting pitcher

[s e n s i]

if we get a young 1-2 pitcher with good contract for sure i part with rasmus

after all you were the author of the thread "Hope for Rasmus?"

that 1-2 pitcher would be fantastic. except it's far from a guarantee that gose will ever be able to replicate colby's offensive production this season (if he continues at this pace, or even slightly below it). either way rasmus is still getting better. if his prime is better than this, then i don't think he should ever be shopped.

[dballislife]

what if we get a matt moore, strasburg, or signed hamels/greinke like player...its silly to say that rasmus can never be traded for anything

[s e n s i]

and why exactly would tampa or washington trade moore or strasburg

i could make quite a list of players i'd trade colby for. but these fantasy trades don't consist of checking off a box on your computer screen and clicking "propose trade". and again, there's no guarantee gose will be better than rasmus. if you can trade the unproven commodities first, then you do that.

[OldNo7]

http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/alex-anthopoulos-blue-jays-gm-talks-to-first

AA on satellite radio saying that he expects to add a pitcher or two via trade.

He also wanted to add an impact bat and a starter in the offseason. Doesnt mean that he will actually do these things.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

If the Jays are truly buyers, perhaps they trade someone like Gose for a Greinke or Hamels, however our team has more needs than just needing one starter.

Think the only way the Jays trade Rasmus at this point is if Rasmus doesn't want to sign an extension or they get an offer they can't refuse and from certain teams that know how to develop their minor league talent. Teams like the Rangers, Reds or the Diamondbacks come to mind. Even then you're asking for the moon for guys like Billy Hamilton or Jurickson Profar. Otherwise you hold.

[nonc]

what if we get a matt moore, strasburg, or signed hamels/greinke like player...its silly to say that rasmus can never be traded for anything

you critique and askew someone's POV as "silly" and offer this goofy unrealistic scenario as if it's some logical counterpoint. wtf

[Raider917]

Gose seems a bit overrated to me. he doesnt seem to have the power of Rasmus.

[Avenger]

Rasmus is not gonna be a displaced by some slap hitter that can't crack an 800 OPS in Las **** Vegas. People also have this idea on their head that Gose will be a super star defensive player in CF simply because he's fast like its an unquestionable trend. Speed and CF defence usually tend to go hand in hand but there are plenty of fast guys that play a mediocre centrefield with our own Rajai Davis being a perfect example of that.

[raptorforlife88]

That's pretty off seeing as no one is saying he's going to be great defensively simply because he's fast. It's going by what scouts have consistently said, and when combined with the speed and cannon arm makes him likely to be elite defensively.

I'm not saying that we should trade Rasmus away, but you're being dishonest when you claim that people only think Gose will be good defensively because of his speed. Every scout and publication that has written about or seen him has said that his defense will be great.

http://bullpenbanter.com/rankings2/21-2 ... 0nfranklin
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/2/2 ... ling-marte

[flatjacket1]

Rasmus is not gonna be a displaced by some slap hitter that can't crack an 800 OPS in Las **** Vegas. People also have this idea on their head that Gose will be a super star defensive player in CF simply because he's fast like its an unquestionable trend. Speed and CF defence usually tend to go hand in hand but there are plenty of fast guys that play a mediocre centrefield with our own Rajai Davis being a perfect example of that.

You made it clear you don't the 21 year old AAA player who can repeat the level and still be a top tier prospect, who cut down his K% 4%+ this season who started off with a sky high 30% K% in April (but since has been an astounding 20% K%).

If you take out his performance before switching stances, you will see that he has come light years ahead of last season. Even his BB% since has been 11.2% (which is a career high) and he has batted .306 since. He is no Brett Lawrie but in CF, a defensive premium position, (which he has one of the best arms in our system, as well as great speed and defense [yes I said speed AND defense] he threw 97 MPH in HS as a lefty) you will trade a little bit of average for defense. Colby is also a plus defender but it's fair to say Gose has a better arm, and more speed (which will get him more chances).

Gose shouldn't be looked at as anything less than a blue chip prospect. He is a premier CF prospect and has plenty room to improve. John Sickels (an actual scout, whose opinion matters more than yours IMO) put him 8th best in the minors out of outfielders.

Would I call up Gose now? No. We don't have a need at any of the OF positions, and Gose isn't at a stage where I think it's fair to his development to rush him. He will (should) repeat the level in AAA, although he took massive strides in terms of lowering his K% and seeing the ball better (and OPSing above .800 not including his April). The problem with reading too much into him not hitting in Vegas is that he made a mechanical change this season. It's like looking at Bautista's career numbers and calling him junk.

Although I think he should repeat the level, I bet he could post numbers in the .250/.320/.400 range if called up immediately, with excellent base running and defense (including arm, range, and glove). Feel free to disagree but stop saying "sell high" on him. There is a reason all professionals like him and you (a fan) doesn't. I'm not going to say who is right but... I'm more likely to side with people paid to do what you do in your spare time.

EDIT: I wouldn't trade Rasmus at the moment either. I don't feel it's a sell high, considering he just pieced it together recently and his stats are still messed with his slow start. This isn't a problem this year, Gose isn't forcing anybodys hand.

[Raps in 4]

if we get a young 1-2 pitcher with good contract for sure i part with Gose.

Fixed.

There we are.

+1

[Graham's Cracker]

The Jays’ preference, in fact, would be to retain potential free agents such as first baseman/DH Edwin Encarnacion, second baseman Kelly Johnson and reliever Jason Frasor rather than accept meager returns and weaken the club short-term.

And if the Jays buy, they are unlikely to make a “go for it” trade in which they would overpay, one source said. GM Alex Anthopoulos covets players that he can control, not rentals who would amount to temporary fixes.

In a recent notes column, I floated the idea of the Jays trading center fielder Colby Rasmus for a pitcher with comparable ability and service time. I didn’t mention names, but I was thinking of someone like Rangers lefty Matt Harrison or Nationals righty Jordan Zimmermann, not that either would necessarily be available.

Well, the Jays aren’t trading Rasmus, a source said.

The team has two highly-regarded center-field prospects – Anthony Gose at Triple-A, Jake Marisnick at Single-A. But Gose, 21, might not fully develop for several years. The same goes for Triple-A shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria, 23, who — lest anyone forget — repeated Double-A and batted only .235 last season.

The Jays struggled to find a center fielder for the future even before trading Vernon Wells to the Angels in January 2011. Rasmus was their solution, and one club official describes him as “a totally different animal” than he was after they acquired him at the deadline a year ago.

Not only has Rasmus made changes to his swing, but he also has become even more driven, the club official said.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Boston-Red-Sox-Ben-Cherington-Trade-Deadline-Matt-Garza-New-York-Yankees-070512

[limegameboy]

Matt Harrison?

it's as if Canada is another planet

[Al_Oliver]

If the Jays are truly buyers, perhaps they trade someone like Gose for a Greinke or Hamels, however our team has more needs than just needing one starter.

for a rental, that's asinine