According to reports AK is staying in Russia.....

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According to reports AK is staying in Russia..... 

Post#1 » by red4hf » Sun Jul 8, 2012 4:25 pm

Kirilenko can use the NBA opt out clause in his three year contract until the 12th of July, but he seems to have already made up his mind. He wants to stay at Moscow and win the Euroleague title – he missed it by just one point in the thrilling final against Olympiacos – he likes the competition spirit in the old continent, where every game is a must win situation for him, and of course he enjoyed his stay with his family in his home country. EuroHoops.net


http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/07/dunks/7100

I'm a little surprised that with the contracts being thrown around this off-season no team convinced him to come back....... He's still an excellent player....... I don't really buy the "I want to win the Euroleague title" thing......
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Post#2 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 4:58 pm

That will be really depressing if it's true...
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Post#3 » by Paper Face » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:46 pm

Dude wants to be worshiped. In Russia he's like Lebron James.

If the Jazz or Nets had begged him to come back, he would have. But for the Jazz' part, why beg a guy when he's already taken the franchise for tens of millions of dollars and hardly worked on his game while he was here the first time?

AK is not a gym rat. He's a known World of Warcraft addict. I'd rather develop younger players or give guys like Marvin Williams some burn than revel over AK's occasional freak games or his continually unrealized potential.

He's smart to stay in Russia. Stay where your minimal effort will yield maximum results.
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Post#4 » by Charlie_S » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:55 pm

I wouldn't be that surprised if he indeed decided to stay with CSKA. He can play at home and have fun playing at the highest level of basketball outside of the NBA, as basically the best player in Europe - he was simply dominant last season. Only thing he would miss would be some money but it's not like he's making chump change now, either. If that's enough for him to stay, good for him and for us Euroleague fans, really. :)
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Post#5 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Jul 8, 2012 8:07 pm

I will be surprised if he didn't come back to the NBA. It is worth noting that when he signed with CSKA, he donated ALL of the money from that contract to charity, and we are talking about a 3 year deal. As an athlete, he has a short window to make the kind of money that he was making, and it is highly unusual to see a player of his caliber go 3 years without income WHILE playing, even though he made a lot of money in the NBA. We don't see many NBA players do the same.
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Post#6 » by mjvile » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:37 pm

I think AK needs to stay in Russia but most definitely away for the Utah Jazz. His inconstancy as player and a leader has me set on him not coming back. Ak is a great athlete but he has left to many bad taste in my month; from crying in the playoffs, disappearing in the season and just ditching the Jazz when his toxic contract was over which was one of the worst ROI ever IMO in NBA history. His contract held our organization hostage (not AK himself but his play) and trading D-Will was the only way KOC could get us the assets that we have today.
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Post#7 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:25 pm

Does anyone have a link of AK crying? I don't doubt it happened, I remember it was covered at the time, but I was never able to find a video of that. Just for my own curiosity, that's all.

Btw, I don't mind athletes crying, and its not rare. At least you know he cares. He also went to the late LHM and ASKED him to open his contract so he could make LESS money, but it wasn't legally possible. So at least he cared and he tried. I don't see many players go to the owner and ask to make less money, but I see a lot of the opposite. And now AK plays for CSKA and donates his entire 3 year contract earnings to charity. That's a guy I'll take on my team any day.
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Post#8 » by finnegan » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:26 pm

mjvile wrote:...ditching the Jazz when his toxic contract was over which was one of the worst ROI ever IMO in NBA history. His contract held our organization hostage (not AK himself but his play) and trading D-Will was the only way KOC could get us the assets that we have today.


Kevin OConnor offered the max contract to AK, and Kevin OConnor is now passing on AK. The max contract was one of OConnors worst decisions, and many including myself ranted and raved against it the time.

Does anyone know what kind of salary AK is seeking to return to the NBA?
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Post#9 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:51 pm

Reports vary. I think last season Locke said he wanted 11M a year and then went down to 27M for 3 years when the Kings were rumored to have interest.
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Post#10 » by Reckless » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:19 am

Good for him, if he came back to NBA he's just too much damn $$$ to be worth it. Plus he's too inconsistent and injury prone
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Post#11 » by finnegan » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:23 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Reports vary. I think last season Locke said he wanted 11M a year and then went down to 27M for 3 years when the Kings were rumored to have interest.


Too bad. I definitely pass on those salaries. Maybe Andre has a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) agent, and rather than accept his market value, he decides to stay in Russia. How much does Andre get paid in Russia?
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Post#12 » by Deinonychus » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:49 pm

Paper Face wrote:He's smart to stay in Russia. Stay where your minimal effort will yield maximum results.


Wow...haters gonna hate, huh?

Well if the reports on the contracts he's looking for are true, then I think he's a bad fit for the Jazz, especially with the recent acquisition of Marvin Williams. I still love the guy though, and I think a lot of the flak he receives is undeserved - but I've talked about that at length in other topics. I'll be sad personally if he never plays again in the NBA because I love watching his game.
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Post#13 » by Paper Face » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:26 pm

Deinonychus wrote:Wow...haters gonna hate, huh?


Hate?

Disgust for someone's actions or propensities does not equate to hate. Please play intelligently, OG.
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Post#14 » by mjvile » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:03 am

Deinonychus wrote:
Paper Face wrote:He's smart to stay in Russia. Stay where your minimal effort will yield maximum results.


Wow...haters gonna hate, huh?

Well if the reports on the contracts he's looking for are true, then I think he's a bad fit for the Jazz, especially with the recent acquisition of Marvin Williams. I still love the guy though, and I think a lot of the flak he receives is undeserved - but I've talked about that at length in other topics. I'll be sad personally if he never plays again in the NBA because I love watching his game.


The reason he receives "flak" is because he is a professional athlete who was paid millions of our organization dollars and didnt produce so of course he is going to get criticize. Its nice to know you love the guy on a personal level but as a max PAID player he didn't live up to what he was making.
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Post#15 » by Denizfeital » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:42 am

The guy made 80mi dollars playing for The Jazz, donating 3 years of salary after that is not that difficult. I would do that too, seriously.

He should have asked to the Jazz not paying him 80mil dollars in the first place, but I remember perfectly when he said that he was looking a kind of contract like Pau Gasol was getting.

He's probably one of the best players in Europe. I hope he continues to be.

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Post#16 » by Ugly0598 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:45 am

Paper Face wrote:Dude wants to be worshiped. In Russia he's like Lebron James.

If the Jazz or Nets had begged him to come back, he would have. But for the Jazz' part, why beg a guy when he's already taken the franchise for tens of millions of dollars and hardly worked on his game while he was here the first time?

AK is not a gym rat. He's a known World of Warcraft addict. I'd rather develop younger players or give guys like Marvin Williams some burn than revel over AK's occasional freak games or his continually unrealized potential.

He's smart to stay in Russia. Stay where your minimal effort will yield maximum results.


Agreed with the bolded part.
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Post#17 » by Deinonychus » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:45 pm

mjvile wrote:
Deinonychus wrote:
Paper Face wrote:He's smart to stay in Russia. Stay where your minimal effort will yield maximum results.


Wow...haters gonna hate, huh?

Well if the reports on the contracts he's looking for are true, then I think he's a bad fit for the Jazz, especially with the recent acquisition of Marvin Williams. I still love the guy though, and I think a lot of the flak he receives is undeserved - but I've talked about that at length in other topics. I'll be sad personally if he never plays again in the NBA because I love watching his game.


The reason he receives "flak" is because he is a professional athlete who was paid millions of our organization dollars and didnt produce so of course he is going to get criticize. Its nice to know you love the guy on a personal level but as a max PAID player he didn't live up to what he was making.


Why is flak in quotations? You do realize that is a real term, right? Or maybe you don't think he actually receives flak? I'm confused by that...

If you paid attention to what I said, you'd notice that I think a lot of the flak he receives is undeserved. I agree 100% that he didn't live up to his contract (how many players do? haha) and I can see why people become frustrated with that discrepancy. However, he receives unfounded and unrelated attacks on his character, his love for the game, and his value (not talking about value versus contract here, just strictly the advantages he brings to a team). That is the flak I find unwarranted.
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Post#18 » by Deinonychus » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:10 pm

Paper Face wrote:
Deinonychus wrote:Wow...haters gonna hate, huh?


Hate?

Disgust for someone's actions or propensities does not equate to hate. Please play intelligently, OG.


Well, I assume you are familiar with the internet meme "haters gonna hate" but if you really want to go the literal route, the dictionary definition I found for hate states "to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest" and I certainly felt a large amount of aversion and hostility in your first post. Evidence to this point would include (but is not limited to):

1 - Stating he "wants to be worshipped"
2 - Stating that he hardly worked on his game when in fact, there is plenty of evidence that he did work on his game. When he first came into the league, all he could really do is block shots and make hustle plays. He eventually became a very versatile player, being able to score, pass, shoot, and defend multiple positions. There were offseasons where he put on several pounds of muscle mass, but unfortunately was not able to keep that over the season. But to imply he never worked on his game is a falacy, and since you seem well-informed as a Jazz fan, it is safe to assume that you are letting your aversion and hostility towards AK and his contract influence you here.
3 - Calling him a "known World of Warcraft addict" when you actually don't know if he's an addict or not and when it really lacks relevance to the conversation. Playing a game does not necessarily equate to an addiction, and I've pointed out that he obviously has worked on his game, and how is playing games at night an issue here?
4 - Passive-aggressiveness is still a form of hostility and agression.

I thank you Paper Face, for the reminder to keep the discussion intelligent, and hope you can continue to maintain those standards as a contributing member to our little community here on RealGM.
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Post#19 » by Paper Face » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:11 pm

Deinonychus wrote:Well, I assume you are familiar with the internet meme "haters gonna hate"


I am familiar. Hence the usage of the meme "OG" to acknowledge your apparent hip hop-related background.

I thank you Paper Face, for the reminder to keep the discussion intelligent


And thank-you for giving the matter an appropriate level of energy and attention.
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