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Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center

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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#21 » by lukekarts » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:01 pm

mopper8 wrote:But, as much as people refuse to acknowledge it on this board, its very difficult to make up for lack of talent on offense. That's not to say that Miami is ever without talent on the floor when the entire Big 3 is playing, because obviously that's a lot of talent, but simply that "running a great" play is not going to close the gap between the offensive efficiency of Udonis Haslem compared to the offensive efficiency of James Jones. UDs screens and offensive rebounds only make up so much ground on James Jones' spacing effects, especially when Jones is being guarded by a 4.

Again, I do think we should have a legit 7 footer with some heft on our roster, just that, I think it was rightly not our top priority given who was available at our price.


Yeah I agree with this also. It's a desirable option to have, especially to shake things up. I'd have loved Camby here, but the guy values money so we couldn't get him. Riley was right to prioritise guys like Ray first, because at least we could get him.

Still, I'm hoping we at least take a look at Mahinmi, or maybe even Kwame. I'd be annoyed if they got a minimum elsewhere (if they get more, fair play). Because I don't see much in Pittman, and we shouldn't hold out much hope for a late 2nd round draftee whom 29 other teams passed on.
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#22 » by diablerouge » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:27 pm

basically, everyone is catching up to what coach k has been doing for years: play to your strengths and PLAY YOUR BEST PLAYERS THE MOST MINUTES. this seems very simple but is rarely applied.

back in the jay williams day, duke was startign two point guards, two small forwards and a power forward. in the fiba championship he started rose, billups, iggy, durant and odom. he didn't have a shooting guard and a center in his 5 best players and didn't try to force one in the starting 5.

so who are our best players (assuming that miller is out for next year)? in order: bron, wade, bosh, allen, battier, chalmers, lewis, haslem, cole, jones, anthony, pittman, hamilton.

the minutes should be a reflection of that.

rio 30
wade 34
bron 38
battier 30
bosh 34
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allen 28
lewis 22
haslem 14
cole 10
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#23 » by diablerouge » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:29 pm

lukekarts wrote:
mopper8 wrote:But, as much as people refuse to acknowledge it on this board, its very difficult to make up for lack of talent on offense. That's not to say that Miami is ever without talent on the floor when the entire Big 3 is playing, because obviously that's a lot of talent, but simply that "running a great" play is not going to close the gap between the offensive efficiency of Udonis Haslem compared to the offensive efficiency of James Jones. UDs screens and offensive rebounds only make up so much ground on James Jones' spacing effects, especially when Jones is being guarded by a 4.

Again, I do think we should have a legit 7 footer with some heft on our roster, just that, I think it was rightly not our top priority given who was available at our price.


Yeah I agree with this also. It's a desirable option to have, especially to shake things up. I'd have loved Camby here, but the guy values money so we couldn't get him. Riley was right to prioritise guys like Ray first, because at least we could get him.

Still, I'm hoping we at least take a look at Mahinmi, or maybe even Kwame. I'd be annoyed if they got a minimum elsewhere (if they get more, fair play). Because I don't see much in Pittman, and we shouldn't hold out much hope for a late 2nd round draftee whom 29 other teams passed on.


but see that's the thing, mahinmi just got 16 mil for 4 years from indiana, kwame got 7 mil last year for golden state. even these guys are oustide of our price range. decent bigs are not an option for us. what's in our range are the fesenkos, the turiafs, the currys and NONE OF THEM should be in our rotation.
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#24 » by HIF » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:30 pm

Basically everyone is waking up to the Spolosophy.

And I think Justin Hamilton is the ideal Center to have on the bench if he can do i the NBA what he did in college.
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#25 » by Axel » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:44 pm

We could still use a play maker for when Wade or Bron goes to the bench. What about those minutes?
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#26 » by andremcosta » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:14 pm

Stats considering bad Centers doesn't mean we don't need a Center. Saying that Bosh at 5 is better than Joel/Turiaf at 5 doesn't mean a PF at 5 is better than a legit Center, because Joel and Turiaf are so bad.

Boston series shows that we need a Center. Elder KG posting those ridiculous stats is a proof that Miami needs interior defense.

Playing against Bynum/Gasol or Gasol/Howard without a legit Center will hurt Heat a lot. Even Boozer/Noah/Gibson will give us problem. We will be outrebounded by 6+ in the worst situation.

We need a Center because of PLAYOFF matchups, not regular season.
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#27 » by andremcosta » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:18 pm

We don't need a PG. It would be good, but we don't need. Have to agree here.

It would be good to have a legit PG, but Chalmers is fine. He's improving at 3-pt line and he showed he has guts to even take decisive shots.
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Re: Great article about why we don't NEED a PG/Center 

Post#28 » by diablerouge » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:19 am

andremcosta wrote:Stats considering bad Centers doesn't mean we don't need a Center. Saying that Bosh at 5 is better than Joel/Turiaf at 5 doesn't mean a PF at 5 is better than a legit Center, because Joel and Turiaf are so bad.

Boston series shows that we need a Center. Elder KG posting those ridiculous stats is a proof that Miami needs interior defense.

Playing against Bynum/Gasol or Gasol/Howard without a legit Center will hurt Heat a lot. Even Boozer/Noah/Gibson will give us problem. We will be outrebounded by 6+ in the worst situation.

We need a Center because of PLAYOFF matchups, not regular season.

1- who are these legit centers that are in miami's price range considering that kaman makes 8 mil and a bum like mahinmi makes 4 mil and a 72-year old like camby gets 4 mil?

2- boston series showed that we need bosh. kg's stats when in game 6 and 7? 12 and 5 on 14 shots, 14 and 7 on 12 shots.

3- lakers have hurt us inside once in the 4 games we've played against them and it was when bosh was injured.

4- we did play boozer/noah/gibson and we beat them in 5. what's the issue?

5- again, we need to play to our strengths. none of the centers in our range are good enough to be rotation players, why adapt to the other team?

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