Wizards VS Hawks GT - 7/13 4PM?

[closg00]

Tillie, or w/e his name is, might be the worst player i have ever seen.

I watched as-much of the replay that I could stomach. I know that this is only SL, but who the heck is this Tillie? You did not exaggerate.

[hands11]

So anyone see the end of the game when Ves went to the bench after fouling out.

After he sat down you saw him unwrapping something he had around his waist. What was that ?
I hope he didn't pull a stomach or back muscle.

[dangermouse]

Maybe he threw his back out smashing his hot girlfriend.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal was 4-6 in the first half? If so, then he went 2-8 in the second.

Lol at Ves fouling out with 10 fouls in 40 minutes.

I attribute that to his weight gain (and the refs). He's a step slow. I wonder what type of weight program they have him on? Ves is a high energy player, his best attribute was his athleticism and length so I'm kind of skeptical about this. I understand the desire to get bigger but it shouldn't be at the cost of his quickness.

Vesely has been told he's not a SF and many of you say he cannot player SF. He was playing SF before the NBA. I think he's better off playing light and quick rather than trying to bulk up, regardless of if he plays PF, C, or SF.

I do think he looked a bit more floor bound and not as quick today.

[Jay81]

What a disgrace. Vesley and Beal were fine. The rest trash and don't belong in the nba including Singelton and Mack

Worst franchise

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Atlanta sure has an odd draft strategy compared to us. They seem to like players that know how to shoot the basketball, as opposed to our latest draft strategy of preferring athletic, defensive-minded, good-character players over guys with actual basketball skills. Strange concept but seems to be working for them.

Nice guys finish last. No, nice guys who have no skill finish last.

Mr Grundle, you are on point IMO about the Wizards' strategy. I think what they need to do is get an offensive-minded big, with good character and a veteran, offensive-minded, backup PG. The Wizards just need to balance it out IMO. Throw some sharp shooters into the mix. Guys with good character.

I like the way that John Jenkins plays on offense. ATL is going to love that guy. I wish the Wizards had found a way to get Beal and Jenkins, because I think Jenkins will be able to play some PG and also be a starting SG with seriously good ball skills.

[theboomking]

Atlanta sure has an odd draft strategy compared to us. They seem to like players that know how to shoot the basketball, as opposed to our latest draft strategy of preferring athletic, defensive-minded, good-character players over guys with actual basketball skills. Strange concept but seems to be working for them.

Nice guys finish last. No, nice guys who have no skill finish last.

Mr Grundle, you are on point IMO about the Wizards' strategy. I think what they need to do is get an offensive-minded big, with good character and a veteran, offensive-minded, backup PG. The Wizards just need to balance it out IMO. Throw some sharp shooters into the mix. Guys with good character.

I like the way that John Jenkins plays on offense. ATL is going to love that guy. I wish the Wizards had found a way to get Beal and Jenkins, because I think Jenkins will be able to play some PG and also be a starting SG with seriously good ball skills.

CCJ, Jenkins may be my Faried. I really wanted him beore the draft. I do see him more as an off the bench firestarter though. Microwave? Jenkins has a lightning quick release that reminds me of Curry in Golden State. A lineup with Wall, Beal and Jenkins coul have been fun to watch at times.

Also...Shurna has an embarassingly low release. He is a good shooter, but a is going to have his shot blocked a lot in the league. Beal really got him last night.

[payitforward]

It's instructive to look at how Daryl Morey has managed to stock Houston's SL roster with potential. After losing their franchise player, he's rebuilding the team in a thoroughgoing and efficient way.

Motiejunas, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrence Jones, Scott Machado, Gregg Smith, Jon Leuer and Marcus Morris -- plus a few others.

All of them going to work out? No, of course not. But there'll be some very good players come out of the round 2 and undrafted guys on that list.

Somehow I don't think our SL roster represents the same kind of intelligence.

I'm really really SICK of Ernie Grunfield; trying to avoid just being sick of the whole franchise. Finished with it.

[willbcocks]

Didn't watch the game, but I like what I hear. Vesely bulked up and shot the ball much better. Beal looked good. Considering their development is essential to the success of our rebuilding plan while everything else is pretty unimportant, I'm happy to hear that report.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's instructive to look at how Daryl Morey has managed to stock Houston's SL roster with potential. After losing their franchise player, he's rebuilding the team in a thoroughgoing and efficient way.

Motiejunas, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrence Jones, Scott Machado, Gregg Smith, Jon Leuer and Marcus Morris -- plus a few others.

All of them going to work out? No, of course not. But there'll be some very good players come out of the round 2 and undrafted guys on that list.

Somehow I don't think our SL roster represents the same kind of intelligence.

I'm really really SICK of Ernie Grunfield; trying to avoid just being sick of the whole franchise. Finished with it.

Too early for me to be finished with it. But if they suck again this season, I'm going to have to find another passion.

Motiejunas looks to play like Andrea Bargnani. Bargnani was s #1 overall pick.

You mentioned Jones on Houston, payitforward. I like him but a lot of scouts didn't, for some reason.

Something pretty incredible happened in that game. Jones went against Ross, both in their pro debuts. The two Terrences played HS ball together. Before this draft I was mesmerized by video of Ross. He had quite a few highlights yesterday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf ... vs_te.html

Former Jefferson High School stars Terrence Ross and Terrence Jones, both taken in the first round of last month's NBA draft, met again Friday in a Summer League game in Las Vegas.

Jones came off the bench for the Houston Rockets and had 17 points and nine rebounds in 25 minutes. He was 8 of 8 from the free throw line. Ross started for the Toronto Raptors and scored 21 points, to go with three rebounds, two assists and two steals in 32 minutes.

Ross, a 6-foot-6 guard and Oregon's 2008 Class 5A player of the year, was selected with the eighth pick by Toronto after his sophomore season at Washington. Jones, a 6-9 forward and 5A player of the year in 2009 and 2010, went 18th to Houston after his sophomore season at Kentucky.

[go'stags]

I'm surprised not many people have remarked on Veseley knocking down jumpers so smoothly. That was the best thing I saw from today, and while it hardly means he will stay consistent, that was by far the most important thing.

[FAH1223]

I'm surprised not many people have remarked on Veseley knocking down jumpers so smoothly. That was the best thing I saw from today, and while it hardly means he will stay consistent, that was by far the most important thing.

he just needs to shoot and shoot with confidence

[payitforward]

In the run-up to the 2010 draft, where we got Hamady N’Diaye in the late 2d round, I spent a lot of time talking up a Center prospect named Artsiom Parakhouski. Not on this board, I wasn't here yet, but on another one. Doclinkin would likely remember.

Parakhouski went undrafted, meaning he was available to us at the pick where we took H (who was on *nobody’s* draft board, btw). Remember that fact.

Parakhouski is now on the Knicks’ SL team; he started the game that’s going on now and has played 15 minutes. In that time, he’s gone 6-8, 1-1 from the line, and grabbed 8 rebounds and blocked a shot.

Do you think Shavlik Randolph is capable of playing that well? Or did H ever have 12 minutes like that — even once?

Not making more of this than it is; he’s a quality prospect, that’s all. We have no assets of that kind whatsoever; we have scrubs (and our signed players). This is the Ernie way. Knowing better is better than knowing, already knowing is better than finding out something new.

[The Consiglieri]

I watched the game online and here are a few observations I made...

Ves came out and made a few nice jumpers early and the rest of his makes were dunks. It is true that he missed about 3 dunks BUT they were all on alleyoops so it may have been a timing thing on some of them and on one of them he was fouled. I thought his lift was fine. Overall he had a fairly nice game although he was visibly upset with all the foul calls. My Grade B-

Beal looked really good and his makes were all over the floor, so I like the way he mixed up his offensive game. I don't think he got any rebounds but I did see him get a nice block. My Grade B+

Singleton's stats make it look like he had a nice game but my eyes told me different. In the first half when the Zards were steadily getting out scored, he was non-existent. Most of his scoring came in the second half after the Zards were already down by 20+ points. His handle and jumper still doesn't look very good IMO. My Grade C-

Tomas was not very impressive either. If he is going to make it in the NBA he will need to prove that he can be a catch & shoot 2 guard but I don't recall seeing him attempted to do that even once in the game. He played to his "stength" by handling the ball a lot when he was in and trying to create off the dribble. He was trapped at least 2 or 3 times and gave up the turn-over each time if I recall correctly. My Grade D

Mack was terrible although he showed a lot of hustle, especially pressuring the guy bringing the ball up... but he wasn't very effective at it. I just don't see the talent and I am not sure why he is even on the roster. My Grade D

The rest of the Zards SL team might be the worse collection of players I have ever seen.

Silver Linings... The Hawks shot out of their minds (over 50%) for most of the game I believe and the Zards defense wasn't THAT bad. It seemed like as many as a dozen of the Hawks makes were right at the buzzer, no lie. Also, the refs (especially the one female ref) was calling an extremely tight game and you could see the frustration on some of the players faces, especially Ves and Singleton.

I watched it like is was a summer league game and I had ADD. Thanks for this analysis, zardsfan.

Three comments:
1. You grade harder than I do, zardsfan. Beal exceeded my expectations. I would give him an A.
2. Tomas Satoransky wasn't terrible but on seeing him play, I wonder just how good Will Barton will be. Every year Ernie makes a terrible blunder. Nothing new with the pick, but I would have no problem with Tomas as #46 pick. Crowder or Barton at 32 is going to be something we think about a lot this season.
3. ATLANTA SHOT THE HECK OUT OF THE BALL! I think their SL team could beat the team the Wizard started the season with and perhaps even the end of the season team, too. John Jenkins is a beast. I was impressed with Keith Benson, too. Brad Wannemaker wanna make an NBA squad (sorry). He can play well.

1. Everyone seems to grade harder than I do lol. Then again, I tend to think the rips on particular players are coming from a place where people have an axe to grind. 1. Ves-Missed dunks, a ton of people think all he can do is dunk, and if he can't jump and dunk, he can't do anything. We'll see, be patient w/the guy, we're stuck with him, he has some tools, maybe something happens. 2, Mack-He sucks, hes unlathetlic, not an NBA level PG etc. 3. Beal-Not elite first step, his shot aint as great as you keep saying Cons etc. 4. Satoranksy-Damn it, he blows, why'd we take this loser, can't play the point, and can't shoot enough to play the 2. 5. Singleton is complete arse. 6. We totally blew our 2nd rounder, we could have gotten one of these 3 favorites who will make us regret it all season.


It's basically everything everyone's already said, already thinks, and already is looking to see reinforced so they don't have to admit they were wrong about something Or simply because they are just pissed, expect it to disappoint and if it does at all, it reinforces the thought process.

Now personally, I’m not on a high horse here. I do everything exactly as I have describe it above, and just see echoes in the posts.

My thoughts:
1. Ves is an athlete who knows basketball inside and out, but is not a great technical shooter by any stretch. If he’s going to be something, its going to take a ton of training and work. At worst he should provide adequate help because he’s smart, a worker/effort player, is athletic, and plays hard. At worst, he’ll fill a role. We’ll see about the rest.

2. Mack: I agree. He was a classic 2nd rounder I tend to hate. Where you just take a good to great college player who played a position of need and had the right mental make up for your roster and you didn’t pay enough attention to the key #1 priority for second rounders: Can he play at this level? Any major thought on mack would have revealed that it was anything but a sure thing that he could play. I was interested because he was smart, played hard, and had some skills. I just didn’t know if he was athletic enough, or a good enough shooter. As it turns out, he aint either of those things and he’s done.

3. Beal: The people who don’t like him, won’t like him, and the people who doubt his raw ability as a shooter, offensive asset, and all around fantastic 3rd best player on a team will just have to wait and see these truths revealed. I definitely can question whether there will ever be greatness in him, but I am positive he will be at least good, and provide a great deal of sanity for Wall who now will know that he can always count on his 2 to make the right decision, make the right play, move off the ball or with the ball flawlessly. It will go a long way for Wall in 2012-2013 if he can have a season with a healthy Nene and Beal, because then he will consistently have 2 of 4 positions that are consistently manned by smart players making the right decisions and executing the play consistently well, and a third position will probably be manned by a solid option at worst. It will be his first time as a wizard that more than half the lineup is helping him rather than hindering.

4. Satoranksy-It’s one freaking game people. We all know his strengths and weaknessed, writing him off after a half (which a ton of people did) is freaking insane. I hated the pick too, and will always be angry that we took him over the other four or five guys I liked better but he was and is one of the best 40-45 players in this draft with a lot of skills and plenty of talent. He may or may not ever make it, but 1 freaking half or full summer league game aint gonna tell the tale. Be patient.

5. Singleton-Was always sub-par to at best average at FSU as a shooter until his final year. His calling card was defense. He will make it or not based on his defense. If his shooting comes along that is gravy, its his defense and his long term potential as a 3 and D guy that got him picked over Faried. Will he ever live up to it? Id say its 40/60 he becomes good enough to stick, for now he’s just working, and he’s a hard worker w/the right attitude. Give him time. He has to get a feel for the NBA, it should come along because he isn’t a slacker and half of great defense is “want to” and he has that, and the technical ability. Just needs the mental and the experience. We’ll see if it happens.

6. CCJ I’m as pissed as you, but its far more likely that it will take a lot of time for us to figure if passing on Denmon, Barton, and Crowder, and the Baylor stud will cause us nightmares. These guys are not going to get major minutes this year, maybe one of them does, but its rather doubtful barring a ton of injuries. The saving grace is that unlike the pain of losing out on Faried, at least in this case, we’ll probably have an answer at the same time. If Santo can succeed we’ll know right about the same time we know what Denmon, Barton, and friends can become as well. Hopefully Santoranksy is as good as the scouts think and not the mistake we all think he was at 32.