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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#41 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:51 pm

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SelbyCobra wrote:Unless you guys are daytraders, that 3% means nothing 30 minutes into the day.



What?!?

Please.

That's a huge drop in such a short period of time.

Hilarious. I hope it falls 10%. Dolan is a complete ass. I was wrong to defend him and it's shameful that people are still defending him.


I'm not defending Dolan.

A 3% drop half an hour into trading means nothing if there is a rebound by close.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#42 » by jzmagik » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:52 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Unless you guys are daytraders, that 3% means nothing 30 minutes into the day.



What?!?

Please.

That's a huge drop in such a short period of time.

Hilarious. I hope it falls 10%. Dolan is a complete ass. I was wrong to defend him and it's shameful that people are still defending him.


I'm not defending Dolan.

A 3% drop half an hour into trading means nothing if there is a rebound by close.


We'll see how much is moved after it becomes official. This is a sizable move considering everything is mostly speculation and rumors at this point.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#43 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:52 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Unless you guys are daytraders, that 3% means nothing 30 minutes into the day.


Correct.

What it suggests if the emotional response the market is susceptible too. There ARE traders who will react to the prospect of news, rather than sound investing principles.

The stock could certainly rebound, as cooler heads prevail. But we also have to factor into the issue the fact rumors and assumption is all we have right now.

What happened at the opening bell could prove just a preview.

I'm no alarmist, I don't expect the stock to crash to pre-February level. But a demonstrative hit of 3 to 5% is a lose of valuation of 9 figures.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#44 » by Retired_Doc » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:53 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Unless you guys are daytraders, that 3% means nothing 30 minutes into the day.



What?!?

Please.

That's a huge drop in such a short period of time.

Hilarious. I hope it falls 10%. Dolan is a complete ass. I was wrong to defend him and it's shameful that people are still defending him.


I sincerely doubt the price will fall 10% today. BUT if it did? Oh baby, would that ever motivate Dolan! :o
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#45 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:54 pm

The truth of the matter is that the stock drop will depend on how much investors actually BELIEVE he's not matching. If the Knicks go another day with people thinking the team is not matching, and they provide no clarity or worse yet announce they are not matching, the hit MSG takes will be marked.

Once Lin is gone forever, they can expect a steady decline.

Dolan is an idiot folks. The fact that he allows JR Smith to be a major part of his team tells you everything you need to know.
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Post#46 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:55 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Hilarious. I hope it falls 10%. Dolan is a complete ass. I was wrong to defend him and it's shameful that people are still defending him.


I gotta give you credit KG, you have a unique ability to think yourself as the gauge of what's proper.

But I gotta ask, what do people need to defend him against exactly? Something that hasn't happened yet and we don't know will?
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#47 » by Kampuchea » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:56 pm

they honestly planned this so Dolan has time to stock up on more shares before letting out the news that they will match
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#48 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:58 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Unless you guys are daytraders, that 3% means nothing 30 minutes into the day.


Correct.

What it suggests if the emotional response the market is susceptible too. There ARE traders who will react to the prospect of news, rather than sound investing principles.


Sounds a lot like a messageboard...
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Post#49 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:59 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Sounds a lot like a messageboard...


Indeed, sir, indeed.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#50 » by adrenaLINe » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:00 pm

smart money would have been selling "before" and when the first offer sheet was made...

and buying back if Knicks had matched...
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#51 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:00 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Hilarious. I hope it falls 10%. Dolan is a complete ass. I was wrong to defend him and it's shameful that people are still defending him.


I gotta give you credit KG, you have a unique ability to think yourself as the gauge of what's proper.

But I gotta ask, what do people need to defend him against exactly? Something that hasn't happened yet and we don't know will?




You're proceeding on the assumption that:

a) the trade for Felton is not indicative of a team patching a newfound hole at point guard in what seems like a rushed, determined and emergency effort to acquire a mediocre to poor player;

b) the New York Times (certainly not a peddler of rumor and innuendo) presented an unreliable report that the Knicks are "more likely than not" going to let Lin go, according to a source briefed on their plans.

I find the above to be disturbing and most would. You happen to be more skeptical than most about pubilc reports and that's fine. But you're projecting when you say I'm an arbiter of what's proper. Your stance is to rule out everything as proper until a final announcement. That's pretty extreme.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#52 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:05 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Your stance is to rule out everything as proper until a final announcement.


This is interesting to me. I would say that this describes me, but I would change it with the following, simple ammendment:


Your stance is to rule out everything as reaction worthy until a final announcement or clear-cut indication is given.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#53 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:13 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I find the above to be disturbing and most would. You happen to be more skeptical than most about pubilc reports and that's fine. But you're projecting when you say I'm an arbiter of what's proper. Your stance is to rule out everything as proper until a final announcement. That's pretty extreme.


Extreme but correct. We don't know what's going to happen. Can you dispute that?

And my comments about you believing yourself the arbiter of what's proper is just highlighting a double-standard that exists.

Last evening you made the argument that you always depended Carmelo Anthony for years in arguments against posters like TKF. So if you, you of all people, are now (irrationally) criticizing him for this situation, then it MUST be a turning point in how most if not all Knicks fans view him.

In other words, "the tide follows me. It was perfectly reasonable to defend Melo when I was, but it's no longer when I'm not."

You said it plainly - if "I'M" turning on Melo, then it MUST mean something significant.

You OFTEN begin these rants with the phrase "think about it", which is almost always followed by tortured logic in which you instruct readers to consider something you figured out that they haven't.

I don't mind being accused of suggesting I'm smarter than other people (i think that's the principle message board arguments are naturally based on), I just find the double-standard amusing.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#54 » by adrenaLINe » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:14 pm

on July 5th when news of the first offer came out the stock was around 39 dollars...

if I was trading this stock... then I would be doing quick trades especially.... if I was short

as it looks like the market has already priced in a what if scenario...the last few weeks

stock hit a low of 35.47 today...

I cant see the stock going much lower until there is a definitive we wont match....

and you dont want to be short... hoping that there isnt a match...

* readers should do not construe this posting as investment advice... and should seek a qualified professional when seeking investment advice :wink:
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#55 » by adrenaLINe » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:15 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:smart money would have been selling "before" and when the first offer sheet was made...

and buying back if Knicks had matched...



* readers should do not construe this posting as investment advice... and should seek a qualified professional when seeking investment advice :wink:
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#56 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:15 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
Your stance is to rule out everything as reaction worthy until a final announcement or clear-cut indication is given.


Spot on.

Discuss the likelihood and ramifications of a possibility of even probability? Understandable.

Emotionally react to a possibility, including using deragatory language against a player (Felton) who really has no principle role in causing what think you're upset about.

Inexcusable.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#57 » by Bill Bradley » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:54 pm

Stock down 2% so far today. Not devastating but a pretty big loss.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#58 » by Da_Mane_Man » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:55 pm

stock has been going down for a couple of weeks now. probably has little to do with the lin news .
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#59 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:57 pm

Down over 2%.
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Re: MSG Stock Price Watch 

Post#60 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:03 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Your stance is to rule out everything as proper until a final announcement.


This is interesting to me. I would say that this describes me, but I would change it with the following, simple ammendment:


Your stance is to rule out everything as reaction worthy until a final announcement or clear-cut indication is given.



Felton trade is a compelling indication. Do you know that the Blazers had renounced Felton recently? Clearly this was a last-minute maneuver.

NYT is credible.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm not quoting Tommy Dee.

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