Why Does Orlando Have So Much Trouble Keeping Their Stars

[MagicMan89]

yea not sure about this topic

This topic is wrong!

Trolled by a rival fan?

[Tirion]

Players like Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Duncan have stuck it out through some rough stretches, much respect to them.

Dirk, Kobe and Duncan had stuck it out through some rough stretches? When? I don't remember Spurs and Mavs ever missing playoffs and Lakers have missed it only once during their careers.

[L3GEND4RY]

Not trying to be an ass, man. My bad. I think it's the Brooklyn logo, setting off some unconscious hostility in me

It's all good man, lots of us getting caught in the emotional collateral damage caused by these events. I might change my avi and sig to see if responses I get are different. Social experiment

i wouldn't be surprised if people are suddenly nicer to you

[druggas]

yea not sure about this topic

This topic is wrong!

Trolled by a rival fan?

No, just agreeing with you.

[Frank Mulely]

outside of cities with actual flavor like SF, NY and a very few others, honestly i dont even know how people tell the difference between most second tier cities. orlando, phoenix, dallas... i mean its pretty much the same tasteless boring **** suburban hell.

[MrBigShot]

Shaq was a douche, Penny had injuries, T-mac had to deal with constant Grant Hill injuries and got tired of losing, Dwight is being a massive douche.

Everyone that has left Orlando has come to regret it and wish they were involved with the team again and they all still live here.

Bad luck?

I don't think Shaq regrets leaving and going on to win 4 championships.

[cvMagic]

Lack of competent management over the years. Which I hope has finally changed with the new regime.

The Magic in 8 years never put a good team around D12. That's on management. But, that's not to say D12 was never taken care of by Rich DeVos. Shaq was given more money in LA. T-Mac had a terrible relationship with a GM who used to be a hockey player (yes, a hockey player was our GM). Penny's knees were shot and PHX bit.

With that said, I'll always defend Orlando. It's a great city If you've only been to Disney, then you've never really been to Orlando. Great place to live.

A lot of ignorance on this thread.

The magic are not perfect by any means, but...

Over the last 5 years they have the...
5th best record in the NBA
5 straight playoff appearances.
2 trips to the ECF
And a trip to the finals.

Only a handful of teams can say they've done better than that over that span. so if the Magic are a crappy organization, what does that say about 20+ other teams in the NBA who would dream to have the 5 year run the Magic just had?

[Trader_Joe]

I don't think they have a bright future with free agency for a plethora of reasons from....

1. Agents and their agendas (Fegan a powerful agent failed at getting his biggest client what he wanted)
2. Media spin/Reputation (Superstars aren't happy, want out and the team doesn't help)
3. Dwightmare
4, Ownership (Amway is NOT a quality company, nor should they have vetoed a Dwight trade)
5. GM (rookie 30 y/o kid who succeeded GM in O.Smith)
6. Not an appealing city, esp. as of late. (overshadowed by Miami, full of retirees, white people, tourists and Disney characters.. have you seen the videos they made for Dwight?)

However, they have a chance to overcome all of that with the right Dwight trade and pieces from Houston or Cleveland in a 3 way with LA.

The one thing I give them credit on... not caving to Dwight and Brooklyn. Ironic for me to say that, I know.

[mattyBoi]

Players like Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Duncan have stuck it out through some rough stretches, much respect to them.

Dirk, Kobe and Duncan had stuck it out through some rough stretches? When? I don't remember Spurs and Mavs ever missing playoffs and Lakers have missed it only once during their careers.

Neither have we. Not being a true contender is a rough patch for these guys.

[MagicMan89]

I don't think they have a bright future with free agency for a plethora of reasons from....

1. Agents and their agendas (Fegan a powerful agent failed at getting his biggest client what he wanted)
2. Media spin/Reputation (Superstars aren't happy, want out and the team doesn't help)
3. Dwightmare
4, Ownership (Amway is NOT a quality company, nor should they have vetoed a Dwight trade)
5. GM (rookie 30 y/o kid who succeeded GM in O.Smith)
6. Not an appealing city, esp. as of late. (overshadowed by Miami, full of retirees)

However, they have a chance to overcome all of that with the right Dwight trade and pieces from Houston or Cleveland in a 3 way with LA.

The one thing I give them credit on... not caving to Dwight and Brooklyn. Ironic for me to say that, I know.

1. Orlando has sent every player that wants out to a good situation. They dont screw them over, but they wont take complete garbage for a top 5 player.
2. Media has been killing Dwight Howard just as much.
3. See 2, he has destroyed his image by dissing his team and flip-floping. Lebron has to love it.
4. Devos is a good owner who has been completely behind trying to build a winner. Huge cap totals out of a small market dont show me a owner that does not care. Who cares about Amway, he and his family have tons of money. Do we care how the other owners make thier money?
5. 30 year old kid that came up through both the spurs and OKC. Groomed by Presti. Guess we should have hired some 50 year old former player becouse that means you will be good?
6. I guess you have not been to Orlando, there is just about anything a single person or family could want to do. Many players from all sports still call the Orlando area home. FYI it is Florida there are old poeple living all over the state.

Not trying to attack your post, but people are saying Orlando is going to have a hard time getting players to come play. Every single time Orlando has had cap room they have been in the running and in most cases came away with the player they desired.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't think they have a bright future with free agency for a plethora of reasons from....

1. Agents and their agendas (Fegan a powerful agent failed at getting his biggest client what he wanted)
2. Media spin/Reputation (Superstars aren't happy, want out and the team doesn't help)
3. Dwightmare
4, Ownership (Amway is NOT a quality company, nor should they have vetoed a Dwight trade)
5. GM (rookie 30 y/o kid who succeeded GM in O.Smith)
6. Not an appealing city, esp. as of late. (overshadowed by Miami, full of retirees)

However, they have a chance to overcome all of that with the right Dwight trade and pieces from Houston or Cleveland in a 3 way with LA.

The one thing I give them credit on... not caving to Dwight and Brooklyn. Ironic for me to say that, I know.

1. Orlando has sent every player that wants out to a good situation. They dont screw them over, but they wont take complete garbage for a top 5 player.
2. Media has been killing Dwight Howard just as much.
3. See 2, he has destroyed his image by dissing his team and flip-floping. Lebron has to love it.
4. Devos is a good owner who has been completely behind trying to build a winner. Huge cap totals out of a small market dont show me a owner that does not care. Who cares about Amway he and his family have tons of money, do we care how the other owners make thier money?
5. 30 year old kid that came up through both the spurs and OKC. Groomed by Presti. Guess we should have hired some 50 year old former player becouse that means you will be good?
6. I guess you have not been to Orlando, there is just about anything a single person or family could want to do. Many players from all sports still call the Orlando area home. FYI it is Florida there are old poeple living all over the state.

Not trying to attack your post, but people are saying Orlando is going to have a hard time getting players to come play. Every single time Orlando has had cap room they have been in the running and in most cases came away with the player they desired.

And all I'm trying to say is that I think that success is going to come to an end.

Different day and age in sports, the Magic and the world in general.

You guys should have cap space next year..we shall see.

Meanwhile the fact Bynum (or his agent) is seemingly trying to steer him from there and more towards Houston, Dallas and Cleveland all of cities is VERY telling.

And yes.. I've been to Orlando .. on more than one occasion.. and within the last 2 years,

[RutgersBJJ]

At the end of the day there are only 30 teams, and if you respect the luxury tax there are only 60 max contracts. Orlando will have no problem attracting FA's, it may not be the player they want and they may have to overpay, but they won't have trouble bringing in FA's. Their ownership spends, not wisely, but they do spend.

If things like this were true and talent avoided certain franchises, the Jacksonville Jaguars wouldn't be able to get someone to take their head coaching position. No fans, and the worst QB in the history of the NFL.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Players like Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Duncan have stuck it out through some rough stretches, much respect to them.

Dirk, Nash, KG, these guys never complained.

Duncan was a David Robinson shorted vacation away from leaving a franchise that had given him a title 1 year earlier.

Kobe was drafted into the best run franchise in the league (after he forced his way there), then complained and publicly requested a trade after he had won 3 titles there. If anyone could be considered as bad as Howard, it would be a guy who won't even give his franchise a chance to rebuild after winning 3 titles before complaining to the media wanting a trade

[Storm Surge]

Orlando is annoying because there are so many tourists there, I am not a resident but I can envision a lot of residents in there stay away from all the touristy places as much as possible.

Doing that though, you pretty much have nothing to do in Orlando. All the good stuff are tourist traps.

Orlando is pretty boring to live in imo. The best thing going for it is probably that it's close to Miami...

[BelgianMagic]

Glad to see some people actually thinking this question over instead of beating the dead horse.

I've only been to a few cities in the US, and not all of them were NBA cities, but I can say I really don't see those bad things some people say about Orlando.

Tourists? I really saw more tourists in NY & LA than in Orlando. Of course, I could imagine Disney & those things having lotta tourists, I didn't go there.

Still, in the end, IMO the only reason they all left is bad management. It doesn't matter where you win, it's about how many championships you win. All of our GMs failed to put the best possible team around our superstars. That's why they left, not because some people think the nightlife is bad

[HEAT33]

ALl the chicks in Orlando are fat.