Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Also about that full page ad: He knows there is backlash from the fans so he is in full spin control. No one is fooled as to what he is doing. Allen will still be booed when he shows up in a heat uniform.

Was he also in full "spin control" when he took a full page ad out in the Seattle papers thanking the fans after he was traded to Boston?

What he did was show a certain amount of class -- which is more than can be said for a number of people on this board.

It is one thing to be traded (which he had no control over) and take a a full page ad thanking the fans. It is another when he makes a ridiculous contract demand from the Celtics (3 years 27M) that was meant to be rejected only to turn around and join the most hated team in the NBA for three times less money than he "wanted" from the Celtics. Allen is a fraud and that ad was nothing more than a failed PR attempt.

[mr_sunshine]

Also about that full page ad: He knows there is backlash from the fans so he is in full spin control. No one is fooled as to what he is doing. Allen will still be booed when he shows up in a heat uniform.

Was he also in full "spin control" when he took a full page ad out in the Seattle papers thanking the fans after he was traded to Boston?

What he did was show a certain amount of class -- which is more than can be said for a number of people on this board.

It is one thing to be traded (which he had no control over) and take a a full page ad thanking the fans. It is another when he makes a ridiculous contract demand from the Celtics (3 years 27M) that was meant to be rejected only to turn around and join the most hated team in the NBA for three times less money than he "wanted" from the Celtics. Allen is a fraud and that ad was nothing more than a failed PR attempt.

Yes because your assumptions about the guy are clearly 100% correct. You totally know what went on behind the scenes the last five years right? Oh wait.

[KGboss]

It is one thing to be traded (which he had no control over) and take a a full page ad thanking the fans. It is another when he makes a ridiculous contract demand from the Celtics (3 years 27M) that was meant to be rejected only to turn around and join the most hated team in the NBA for three times less money than he "wanted" from the Celtics. Allen is a fraud and that ad was nothing more than a failed PR attempt.

Yes because your assumptions about the guy are clearly 100% correct. You totally know what went on behind the scenes the last five years right? Oh wait.

While us as fans may not know what happened behind the scenes for 5 years, we know what has been reported from the inside, and everything that ghost said is true, and has been reported by the boston sports media as such since it happened. Wyc and Ainge both were questioned about the contract, and I believe the most telling response was, "We will not confirm or deny this rumor as per our usual stance as an organization, but i am sure Ray would have wanted a max deal as well, doesn't mean we were going to give that to him."

[LongTimeFan]

The box scores don't lie. Ray sold us out in the finals against Miami. His actions don't lie either. He then signed with Miami to stick it to us.

I appreciate what he did when he was loyal to the Celtics. But the Celtics are, as Druid & Irish Catholic culture both require, a heroic culture. This is what we admire about them. Heroic cultures are based on a primal virtue - loyalty. He betrayed us. The moment he betrayed us, (sometime during this last season) he lost my appreciation. Obviously, it took awhile for the betrayal to become apparent.

Compare his loyalty to Pierce after the stabbing, Rondo after the dislocated elbow, or KG every game. These are Celtics.

[HeatleCash]

Is this serious? Druid and Irish catholic culture? SMDH and LMAO.

The box scores don't lie. Ray sold us out in the finals against Miami. His actions don't lie either. He then signed with Miami to stick it to us.

I appreciate what he did when he was loyal to the Celtics. But the Celtics are, as Druid & Irish Catholic culture both require, a heroic culture. This is what we admire about them. Heroic cultures are based on a primal virtue - loyalty. He betrayed us. The moment he betrayed us, (sometime during this last season) he lost my appreciation. Obviously, it took awhile for the betrayal to become apparent.

Compare his loyalty to Pierce after the stabbing, Rondo after the dislocated elbow, or KG every game. These are Celtics.

[humblebum]

HeatleCash... more like HeatleTrash!

[Parliament10]

Not sure if this was posted here on not, but apparently his contract with the Heat is only 2 years (1 year with a player option).

Heat fans should appreciate Ray Allen next season, because there's no assurance he will be here beyond that. Two sources with direct knowledge tell us that Allen’s two-year deal with the Heat includes a $3.2 million player option for 2013-14. So if Allen wants to become a free agent again next July, he can. So can Rashard Lewis, due $1.4 million in 2013-14.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-b ... s-hav.html

Hey ! Maybe we could sign him back next year

I wouldn't want Allen back even if he offered to play for free.

You might not but Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers sure would.

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[hoopster]

The box scores don't lie. Ray sold us out in the finals against Miami. His actions don't lie either. He then signed with Miami to stick it to us.

I appreciate what he did when he was loyal to the Celtics. But the Celtics are, as Druid & Irish Catholic culture both require, a heroic culture. This is what we admire about them. Heroic cultures are based on a primal virtue - loyalty. He betrayed us. The moment he betrayed us, (sometime during this last season) he lost my appreciation. Obviously, it took awhile for the betrayal to become apparent.

Compare his loyalty to Pierce after the stabbing, Rondo after the dislocated elbow, or KG every game. These are Celtics.

Have you considered seeking professional help?

[BRUNiNHO91]

Danny Ainge would take a hammer to the face before he took Allen back on this team. Ray Allen made his choice, the doors of the city of Boston are closed to this dude forever.

[Parliament10]

The box scores don't lie. Ray sold us out in the finals against Miami. His actions don't lie either. He then signed with Miami to stick it to us.

I appreciate what he did when he was loyal to the Celtics. But the Celtics are, as Druid & Irish Catholic culture both require, a heroic culture. This is what we admire about them. Heroic cultures are based on a primal virtue - loyalty. He betrayed us. The moment he betrayed us, (sometime during this last season) he lost my appreciation. Obviously, it took awhile for the betrayal to become apparent.

Compare his loyalty to Pierce after the stabbing, Rondo after the dislocated elbow, or KG every game. These are Celtics.

Have you considered seeking professional help?

Ray sold us out in the finals against Miami.

LongTimeFAN -- If you seriously need professional help, please get it, and disregard this.:

IF NOT! --->> ... ... ...

[HeatleCash]

The whole argument is pointless, like declaring you wont take your girlfriend back, who left you. If Ray wanted to be in Boston he could have stayed for twice as much money. The Celtics have a rich and proud history but currently they and Miami are teams heading in two different directions. One with aging superstars coming off another playoff loss and another with three superstars in their prime coming off another finals appearance and championship this year. The fact Ray left should be proof positive the most important thing to him was winning championships and he will not be looking to come back to a team who has lost in the playoffs to his new team 2 out of 2 years now.

HeatleCash... more like HeatleTrash!

[BRUNiNHO91]

The whole argument is pointless, like declaring you wont take your girlfriend back, who left you. If Ray wanted to be in Boston he could have stayed for twice as much money. The Celtics have a rich and proud history but currently they and Miami are teams heading in two different directions. One with aging superstars coming off another playoff loss and another with three superstars in their prime coming off another finals appearance and championship this year. The fact Ray left should be proof positive the most important thing to him was winning championships and he will not be looking to come back to a team who has lost in the playoffs to his new team 2 out of 2 years now.

HeatleCash... more like HeatleTrash!

One day, LeBron James(or maybe one of the other 2 guys) is going to leave Miami to play for the <Insert team here> with 3 prime superstars, who just came off from beating Miami 2 straight years while Wade and Bosh are aging..when this day comes, and IT WILL, you will understand how most of us feel. What Miami fans don't understand is that Ray didn't go there to win, he went there to kick Danny Ainge, Rajon Rondo and most people in Boston right in the nuts, because he felt he didn't get enough credit, love, praise or wtf ever, here as the other guys did. What is a better way to get back at everybody you're mad at then to make them beg for you to stay and then turn around and go play with the guys they hate the most? But hey..he's right. He's no Kevin Garnett, he's certainly no Paul Pierce, he was completely swallowed up by Rondo as the 3rd star on the team and he pretty much sucked to a point where Bradley and Pietrus were both better options than him. Remember game 4 when Wade took that shot over Marquis Daniels at the buzzer? Yeah well, Daniels was out there because Doc felt Ray could not get the job done defensively in that moment. As for winning, we all feel like we can win. You guys have a longer window to do it, but I don't think we are heading into different directions just yet. When the ball goes up in the air and the season tips off, it's title or bust for both teams.

[HeatleCash]

If LeBron James , Chris Bosh or anyone else plays out their contract and opts to exercise their rights as a free agent and go play elsewhere it might sting as a fan, but I assure you I would not act like some jilted high school girlfriend or be arrogant enough to think their career decision had anything whatsoever to do with me. Only in sports can teams cut you and trade you and no says a word but if a player opts to play somewhere else fans take it as a personal insult. Ultimately I dont really care why Ray left the Celts or what his former fans think of his ability. I just hope he hits those wide open three pointers he will get next year... and if he does not there are several other shooters waiting to come in the game and take those shots. It's all good.

HeatleCash... more like HeatleTrash!

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One day, LeBron James(or maybe one of the other 2 guys) is going to leave Miami to play for the <Insert team here> with 3 prime superstars, who just came off from beating Miami 2 straight years while Wade and Bosh are aging..when this day comes, and IT WILL, you will understand how most of us feel. What Miami fans don't understand is that Ray didn't go there to win, he went there to kick Danny Ainge, Rajon Rondo and most people in Boston right in the nuts, because he felt he didn't get enough credit, love, praise or wtf ever, here as the other guys did. What is a better way to get back at everybody you're mad at then to make them beg for you to stay and then turn around and go play with the guys they hate the most? But hey..he's right. He's no Kevin Garnett, he's certainly no Paul Pierce, he was completely swallowed up by Rondo as the 3rd star on the team and he pretty much sucked to a point where Bradley and Pietrus were both better options than him. Remember game 4 when Wade took that shot over Marquis Daniels at the buzzer? Yeah well, Daniels was out there because Doc felt Ray could not get the job done defensively in that moment. As for winning, we all feel like we can win. You guys have a longer window to do it, but I don't think we are heading into different directions just yet. When the ball goes up in the air and the season tips off, it's title or bust for both teams.[/quote]

[humblebum]

That's good for Ray. The point is that Ray's revenge is going to be bittersweet but in fact it will be more like sweetbitter. Ray isn't going to "get the credit" in Miami either, but he sure did go hook line and sinker for Lebron's pitch and the allure playing under the bright lights with what in his mind is an "easy" path to the finals.

When it comes to next season and Ray is disappointing and the Heat get beaten in the playoffs the whole tenor of this conversation will change dramatically. What will make that even sweeter for Celtics fans, the fact that they're going to be the team that knocks Ray down and out and will advance past the Heat in the process.

Celtics got the NBA on lock next season. I can't wait!

[Fencer reregistered]

As I said, it was a Drew Bledsoe situation. Ray Allen was properly supportive his team's efforts to win games, but let out word that he was unhappy, and kicked the organization as hard as he could as soon as the season was over.

Of course, many details vary between the two situations, the most important being that Allen was actually playing, but I think the general attitudes of the two athletes are comparable.

[HeatleCash]

Despite your confidence I doubt the Celts strike fear in the defending champs any more than New York, Indiana, or any other good but not great Eastern Conference team at this point.

That's good for Ray. The point is that Ray's revenge is going to be bittersweet but in fact it will be more like sweetbitter. Ray isn't going to "get the credit" in Miami either, but he sure did go hook line and sinker for Lebron's pitch and the allure playing under the bright lights with what in his mind is an "easy" path to the finals.

When it comes to next season and Ray is disappointing and the Heat get beaten in the playoffs the whole tenor of this conversation will change dramatically. What will make that even sweeter for Celtics fans, the fact that they're going to be the team that knocks Ray down and out and will advance past the Heat in the process.

Celtics got the NBA on lock next season. I can't wait!

[BRUNiNHO91]

Despite your confidence I doubt the Celts strike fear in the defending champs any more than New York, Indiana, or any other good but not great Eastern Conference team at this point.

That's good for Ray. The point is that Ray's revenge is going to be bittersweet but in fact it will be more like sweetbitter. Ray isn't going to "get the credit" in Miami either, but he sure did go hook line and sinker for Lebron's pitch and the allure playing under the bright lights with what in his mind is an "easy" path to the finals.

When it comes to next season and Ray is disappointing and the Heat get beaten in the playoffs the whole tenor of this conversation will change dramatically. What will make that even sweeter for Celtics fans, the fact that they're going to be the team that knocks Ray down and out and will advance past the Heat in the process.

Celtics got the NBA on lock next season. I can't wait!

We might not strike fear in those boys, but my GOD was that Heat board FULL of shook fans, trembling in fear when the Heat went down 3-2 going back to Boston.

[humblebum]

LOL

Let's not forget that not too long ago three scared little piggies banded together in order to fight the big bad wolf in Boston.

[mr_sunshine]

LOL

Let's not forget that not too long ago three scared little piggies banded together in order to fight the big bad wolf in Boston.

I just don't get it. Did you completely forget the fact that the Celtics were absolutely atrocious before Ray and KG were traded here? Why is it good when Boston does it but bad when Miami does it? Does not compute. Nor does the logic that Ray went to Miami as an f u to Boston. That was CLEARLY the best situation for him to be in, so long as he did not care about the money (I think he has enough). Like yeah it definitely sucks that he left and joined a rival, but thinking it was all some big malicious plan just to screw over the Celtics as much as possible is delusional. Where else could he have landed outside of Boston that gave him a chance to win?

[Darth Celtic]

LOL

Let's not forget that not too long ago three scared little piggies banded together in order to fight the big bad wolf in Boston.

I just don't get it. Did you completely forget the fact that the Celtics were absolutely atrocious before Ray and KG were traded here? Why is it good when Boston does it but bad when Miami does it? Does not compute. Nor does the logic that Ray went to Miami as an f u to Boston. That was CLEARLY the best situation for him to be in, so long as he did not care about the money (I think he has enough). Like yeah it definitely sucks that he left and joined a rival, but thinking it was all some big malicious plan just to screw over the Celtics as much as possible is delusional. Where else could he have landed outside of Boston that gave him a chance to win?

celtics made fair trades with teams looking to get rid of superstars for cap space, young players, and high picks.

Miami had 3 superstars collude to take less money to sign with one team with nothing their teams could really do about it.