Who is the biggest global icon?

[Kironte]

Messi and Ronoldo were the only two names on the list I didn't recognize and yet they won half the poll. I guess a lot of people outside North America like some lame kick ball sport.

Ummm hard to know if you are trolling or if you are are the result of an incestuous relation

[Notas A3]

I don't know if in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, any african country and the majority of asian countries know who Tiger Woods is, but if you ask in my country to 100 people, only 3 or 4 would know who Tiger is, and I doubt that in all the countries I said is pretty much different. So Tiger, is a less global icon than others in this list and when I mean others, I'm saying Messi/Ronaldo.

[cantervil]

I don't know if in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, any african country and the majority of asian countries know who Tiger Woods is, but if you ask in my country to 100 people, only 3 or 4 would know who Tiger is, and I doubt that in all the countries I said is pretty much different. So Tiger, is a less global icon than others in this list and when I mean others, I'm saying Messi/Ronaldo.

Im not so sure about that. Even my 66 year old father knows him. Maybe is all the stuff about the scandal, the gilette ads, the name Tiger is catchy or just he is/was really maketeable, but he knows him. Yet he doesnt know a **** about golf.

[Cleveland Cavs]

I don't know if in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, any african country and the majority of asian countries know who Tiger Woods is, but if you ask in my country to 100 people, only 3 or 4 would know who Tiger is, and I doubt that in all the countries I said is pretty much different. So Tiger, is a less global icon than others in this list and when I mean others, I'm saying Messi/Ronaldo.

Im not so sure about that. Even my 66 year old father knows him. Maybe is all the stuff about the scandal, the gilette ads, the name Tiger is catchy or just he is/was really maketeable, but he knows him. Yet he doesnt know a **** about golf.

Tiger Woods is a huge name yes, but he aint bigger then Messi or Ronaldo, no way

[Brovva Blaqq]

I finally start to understand how self centered some US-Americans are. I mean what do we expect from fans that call their national champions "world champion"?

Kobe Byant 5 time world champion wohooo!

[Cleveland Cavs]

I finally start to understand how self centered some US-Americans are. I mean what do we expect from fans that call their national champions "world champion"?

Kobe Byant 5 time world champion wohooo!

True, Americans are the only people that call their national champions ''world champion''
I never see anything like that in any other country.

[cantervil]

I don't know if in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, any african country and the majority of asian countries know who Tiger Woods is, but if you ask in my country to 100 people, only 3 or 4 would know who Tiger is, and I doubt that in all the countries I said is pretty much different. So Tiger, is a less global icon than others in this list and when I mean others, I'm saying Messi/Ronaldo.

Im not so sure about that. Even my 66 year old father knows him. Maybe is all the stuff about the scandal, the gilette ads, the name Tiger is catchy or just he is/was really maketeable, but he knows him. Yet he doesnt know a **** about golf.

Tiger Woods is a huge name yes, but he aint bigger then Messi or Ronaldo, no way

Yeah, what i wanted to imply is that more than 3 or 4 people out of 100 would recognize the name Tiger Woods in Spain (Im Spanish).Everywhere ive travelled ive seen barca shirts or even people for another countries i know (e.g. Iran) follow Barca.

[HEAT33]

I asked 3 Austrians at our company if they know any famous Basketball player.

The results were

Michael Jordan
Shaq
Charles Barkey

I asked what about Lebron James and Kobe Bryant. They only heard of Lebron James being some great Highschool player or something lol

[Notas A3]

[quote="Notas A3"]I don't know if in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, any african country and the majority of asian countries know who Tiger Woods is, but if you ask in my country to 100 people, only 3 or 4 would know who Tiger is, and I doubt that in all the countries I said is pretty much different. So Tiger, is a less global icon than others in this list and when I mean others, I'm saying Messi/Ronaldo.

Im not so sure about that. Even my 66 year old father knows him. Maybe is all the stuff about the scandal, the gilette ads, the name Tiger is catchy or just he is/was really maketeable, but he knows him. Yet he doesnt know a **** about golf.

Tiger Woods is a huge name yes, but he aint bigger then Messi or Ronaldo, no way

Yeah, what i wanted to imply is that more than 3 or 4 people out of 100 would recognize the name Tiger Woods in Spain (Im Spanish).Every where ive travelled ive seen barca shirts or even people for another countries i know (e.g. Iran) follow Barca.[/quote]
Well, man, maybe in your area, if I ask in my environment the percentage won't go higher than that, I've already some of my friends that are deep into sports (football, some NBA, F1 and MotoGP) and some of them doesn't know him. In fact, people here didn't know who was Severiano Ballesteros (an All Time Great golf player born here) until he was dead, and you know that here a player like Sergio Rodriguez was treated like n icon even though he was a scrub only because he was Spanish. People here are not into golf, I have seen more news about Sergio Garcia in foreign websites like the ESPN or Skysports than in the Spanish ones.

[HEAT33]

Lol at this dude trying to tell me that people in LA don't know who Kobe is. See, this is why I like message boards

You're being an idiot. Please stop.

Messi is more known AROUND THE WORLD than Kobe. It's a fact. If you don't like it; tough. Water is wet, the sky is blue and Messi is more of a global icon than Kobe. <

To put things in perspective - the world`s population is around 7,039,000,000 while America`s population is around 314,347,000. So, 95% of the world`s people live outside of the USA. Soccer is by a huge margin the most popular sport on earth. Can you see how Messi and Ronaldo could easily be 1 and 2 on a true international list?

No he isn't. I posted undeniable proof. Here is some more. This is the first related video that pops up when you youtube Messi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3JrUU617gQ.
It has 70,000 views.
This is the first video that pops up when you youtube Kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaL_BDAeqA
It has over 1,200,000 views

If you live in America, ask your co-workers who Messi is. Most will ask who is she, or I've never heard of her. I know this is the Internet and hipsters want to act "cool and in the know" so you all are voting Messi. But stop for a minute and look around. Soccer is never on TV for a reason. Few people watch it.

Thats a troll post, you just wrote that to get reactions lol

[Cleveland Cavs]

Well, man, maybe in your area, if I ask in my environment the percentage won't go higher than that, I've already some of my friends that are deep into sports (football, some NBA, F1 and MotoGP) and some of them doesn't know him. In fact, people here didn't know who was Severiano Ballesteros (an All Time Great golf player born here) until he was dead, and you know that here a player like Sergio Rodriguez was treated like n icon even though he was a scrub only because he was Spanish. People here are not into golf, I have seen more news about Sergio Garcia in foreign websites like the ESPN or Skysports than in the Spanish ones.

I really dont know any country where golf is a huge spectated sport, maybe Australia?
So how is it possible for Woods to be the biggest icon?
I just dont get how ignorant certain ppl are when it comes to this subject

[Notas A3]

Some poster, I can't remember his name, implied that as Woods played around the world in a lot of tournament and being the best on his sport he was necessarily going to be well known. I don't agree with that, I think that Formula 1 is a bigger sport all around the world than golf, and if I ask people in the countries where they ran if they know Fernando Alonso or Sebastian Vettel I not sure that they are celebrities in every single country... Or do you USA people know them? Because they ran in the Austin Circuit and they used to run in Indianapolis... Or do you know Jorge Lorenzo, Casey Stoner or Valentino Rossi (for me, this one, is another who should be in this list, probably with Michael Schumacher) because they ran in Laguna Seca each year? And I probably think, that specially the F1 drivers are far more well known in more countries and by more people than Tiger Woods.

Well, man, maybe in your area, if I ask in my environment the percentage won't go higher than that, I've already some of my friends that are deep into sports (football, some NBA, F1 and MotoGP) and some of them doesn't know him. In fact, people here didn't know who was Severiano Ballesteros (an All Time Great golf player born here) until he was dead, and you know that here a player like Sergio Rodriguez was treated like n icon even though he was a scrub only because he was Spanish. People here are not into golf, I have seen more news about Sergio Garcia in foreign websites like the ESPN or Skysports than in the Spanish ones.

I really dont know any country where golf is a huge spectated sport, maybe Australia?
So how is it possible for Woods to be the biggest icon?
I just dont get how ignorant certain ppl are when it comes to this subject

Maybe Scotland, maybe Ireland, and in the thread I created a couple of days ago, there were a couple of Scottish guys who said that football ruled their nation, even though golf was an important one.

[cantervil]

[/quote]
Well, man, maybe in your area, if I ask in my environment the percentage won't go higher than that, I've already some of my friends that are deep into sports (football, some NBA, F1 and MotoGP) and some of them doesn't know him. In fact, people here didn't know who was Severiano Ballesteros (an All Time Great golf player born here) until he was dead, and you know that here a player like Sergio Rodriguez was treated like n icon even though he was a scrub only because he was Spanish. People here are not into golf, I have seen more news about Sergio Garcia in foreign websites like the ESPN or Skysports than in the Spanish ones.[/quote]

Can be. Anyway i guess Tiger is more known than Seve in Spain. Maybe the word is not icon, maybe it is "known".

[Notas A3]

Can be. Anyway i guess Tiger is more known than Seve in Spain. Maybe the word is not icon, maybe it is "known"

Ok, and in this I agree with you, but If you think about it, what kind of people in Spain knows about Tiger? The only span I can think about is, a male, from 20 to 60/70 and what percentage of them? I can't think about a teenager or a kid knowing about him, I've never known a girl/woman who knew about Tiger Woods, even though the subject has not been touched. And I don't know, and probably I'm mistaken, but I think that most of the people in our country probably know him because of his affairs with a lot of girls and because he cheated his wife, not because he is probably the best golf player ever.

[KembaWalker]

there seems to be plenty of nonamericans in here. still waiting for someone who hasn't heard of Tiger Woods. where are you????? We've got to be up to about 10 "never heard of Messi"s

[Notas A3]

there seems to be plenty of nonamericans in here. still waiting for someone who hasn't heard of Tiger Woods. where are you????? We've got to be up to about 10 "never heard of Messi"s

As we are, the non americans, on an USA basketball forum, I assume that most of us, the posters, know about Tiger, but the majority of the population of our countries don't. Maybe is just a fact that Messi is known by more people in the whole world than Tiger is Now go here http://www.forosdefutbol.net/ and ask about Tiger, Derek Jeter, Vince Lombardi, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers or Mario Lemiux or Wayne Gretzky and see the result... Well maybe you think you are the center of the universe and If you doesn't know someone that someone can't exist or being the biggest global icon

[KembaWalker]

there seems to be plenty of nonamericans in here. still waiting for someone who hasn't heard of Tiger Woods. where are you????? We've got to be up to about 10 "never heard of Messi"s

As we are, the non americans, on an USA basketball forum, I assume that most of us, the posters, know about Tiger, but the majority of the population of our countries don't. Maybe is just a fact that Messi is known by more people in the whole world than Tiger is Now go here http://www.forosdefutbol.net/ and ask about Tiger, Derek Jeter, Vince Lombardi, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers or Mario Lemiux or Wayne Gretzky and see the result... Well maybe you think you are the center of the universe and If you doesn't know someone that someone can't exist or being the biggest global icon

if the rest of the world posts like this, thank god I live in the USA fishbowl

[Notas A3]

there seems to be plenty of nonamericans in here. still waiting for someone who hasn't heard of Tiger Woods. where are you????? We've got to be up to about 10 "never heard of Messi"s

As we are, the non americans, on an USA basketball forum, I assume that most of us, the posters, know about Tiger, but the majority of the population of our countries don't. Maybe is just a fact that Messi is known by more people in the whole world than Tiger is Now go here http://www.forosdefutbol.net/ and ask about Tiger, Derek Jeter, Vince Lombardi, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers or Mario Lemiux or Wayne Gretzky and see the result... Well maybe you think you are the center of the universe and If you doesn't know someone that someone can't exist or being the biggest global icon

if the rest of the world posts like this, thank god I live in the USA fishbowl

Did I do something wrong? Did you read my previous and more argumentative posts in the previous pages? Or it is just that I disagree with you and I showed you a way to do the same you did in the post I quoted from you to discredit some of the biggest USA icons while talking about sports and their relevance in the rest of the world?

[KembaWalker]

I don't speak Spanish, but if you'd like to make the thread there I'd be interested in reading the responses. just ask straight up if anyone doesn't know who Tiger Woods is

[Kironte]

there seems to be plenty of nonamericans in here. still waiting for someone who hasn't heard of Tiger Woods. where are you????? We've got to be up to about 10 "never heard of Messi"s

As we are, the non americans, on an USA basketball forum, I assume that most of us, the posters, know about Tiger, but the majority of the population of our countries don't. Maybe is just a fact that Messi is known by more people in the whole world than Tiger is Now go here http://www.forosdefutbol.net/ and ask about Tiger, Derek Jeter, Vince Lombardi, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers or Mario Lemiux or Wayne Gretzky and see the result... Well maybe you think you are the center of the universe and If you doesn't know someone that someone can't exist or being the biggest global icon

if the rest of the world posts like this, thank god I live in the USA fishbowl

The rest of the world agrees, thanks to Darwin that you live in the fishbowl