Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part III

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Why not? Pargo's no worse than Price or Mack.

Absolutely. Lets keep getting one crappy player after another. Each one adds something. With Pargo we have "3 point shooting.* Put that in our basket. Once the basket is filled w/ these abstractions, to the brim, we can declare victory. No need to play the games (and lose most of them). Or if we do, why we can blame our problems on lack of "chemistry."

How long will we have to wait before we fire the people running this ship of fools and remake the Wizards as an NBA franchise?

While I agree that bringing in another weak pg is a meh move I think you might want to consider decaf.

and but because is my job . I'm not going to -- gonna .

[closg00]

It's not a complete list, but its worth checking out the names.
http://hoopshype.com/training_camp_invites.htm

[rockymac52]

Clearly we need another PG. Clearly there aren't any halfway decent PGs available. This means we either suffer through Price/Mack, or we slide Crawford or Beal over to PG for the time being.

I've said this numerous times in the past month, but SIGN LEANDRO BARBOSA. IT IS A GREAT FIT.

[Nivek]

In the sense that Barbosa has been solidly below average the past couple years -- replacement level last season -- yeah, he's a perfect fit with this group.

[rockymac52]

In the sense that Barbosa has been solidly below average the past couple years -- replacement level last season -- yeah, he's a perfect fit with this group.

At least he can shoot from deep and has a high usage rate. Literally who is going to take the shots on this team without Wall (and possibly Nene)? Crawford already had a usage rate of like 28%. Even if we ask Beal to have a usage rate of an absurd for a rookie 25% or more, that's not enough. Someone else on this team is going to have to step up. It could get ugly.

Barbosa could be had for pennies on the dollar. He may not be what he was 2-3 years ago, but he's still adequate. Worth a shot at this point, IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

A mature idea would be to invite Gilbert back on a veteran minimum deal. Agree to waive him wheneve he requests, so that he can catch on with a contending team. In the event Wall stays out all season, welcome him back as long as he can still play.

Arenas reportedly looked good in workouts around LA.

Seems to me a veteran guard is available, and not a bad one for Beal to pass to if open. How bad is Gil at this point? Is he still better than A. J. Price?

[rockymac52]

A mature idea would be to invite Gilbert back on a veteran minimum deal. Agree to waive him wheneve he requests, so that he can catch on with a contending team. In the event Wall stays out all season, welcome him back as long as he can still play.

Arenas reportedly looked good in workouts around LA.

Seems to me a veteran guard is available, and not a bad one for Beal to pass to if open. How bad is Gil at this point? Is he still better than A. J. Price?

Let's be honest, we've all thought about it at some point today. I, for one, want to see Gilbert back in DC. Even if it's just as a peace offering. But I don't think the Wizards would even consider the idea, just because of their past with him. It's a shame. Maybe it's a good idea, distractions/PR wise, but I dunno, I think it'd be nice to extend an olive branch and make things better. Make things about basketball, and nothing else.

BUT, I think if Gilbert signs with any NBA team right now, it'll be the Lakers.

There have been multiple reports of him working out and trying out with the Lakers over the course of the last year.
The Lakers currently hate their backup Point Guards (Steve Blake and Chris Duhon - who I'd sadly prefer over our current guys).
Eddie Jordan is an assistant coach in LA, and they're implementing his princeton offense... guess who used to run that offense for him for years in DC? Hibachi.
Reunite with Jamison.
Arenas is from LA.
He'd be like the 8th option, so hardly any pressure or reliance on him.

[MF23]

From speaking with people who know Grunfield I get the sense he ain't the type who's going to bring back Arenas. That's assuming they parted ways on bad terms.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ted was loyal to the wrong guy. One guy brought excitement and wins to the city. The other guy still has the same job and hasn't won since trying to ruin the exciting guy.

[Nivek]

I can honestly say that the first time I thought about Arenas returning to DC was when I read CCJ's post. I think that would be a bad idea -- not because Arenas is a bad guy, but because he was really unproductive last season. Then add in all the media questions and scrutiny and all the crap that would go with him coming back. If he was the old Agent Zero, it'd be worth putting up with all that. But not the shell of himself he was last season.

[Nivek]

In the sense that Barbosa has been solidly below average the past couple years -- replacement level last season -- yeah, he's a perfect fit with this group.

At least he can shoot from deep and has a high usage rate. Literally who is going to take the shots on this team without Wall (and possibly Nene)? Crawford already had a usage rate of like 28%. Even if we ask Beal to have a usage rate of an absurd for a rookie 25% or more, that's not enough. Someone else on this team is going to have to step up. It could get ugly.

Barbosa could be had for pennies on the dollar. He may not be what he was 2-3 years ago, but he's still adequate. Worth a shot at this point, IMO.

If they're signing him on a league-minimum, maybe we can get a little something out of him...I guess. He won't be much worse than what they already have on the roster.

I'm not worried about the team taking shots. Some way or another, they'll get up 80+ shots per game. They don't need another guy to miss a lot of shots -- they need to make some.

[hands11]

A mature idea would be to invite Gilbert back on a veteran minimum deal. Agree to waive him wheneve he requests, so that he can catch on with a contending team. In the event Wall stays out all season, welcome him back as long as he can still play.

Arenas reportedly looked good in workouts around LA.

Seems to me a veteran guard is available, and not a bad one for Beal to pass to if open. How bad is Gil at this point? Is he still better than A. J. Price?

Mature move in what way ? You act like this organization owes Gil something.

I think you have it kind of backward. Gil screwed them. They owe him nothing. Bringing him back would be a circus move. That drama queen is gone. Page turned. I see no way they would consider a move like that. Not even if it was Walls idea.

[hands11]

A mature idea would be to invite Gilbert back on a veteran minimum deal. Agree to waive him wheneve he requests, so that he can catch on with a contending team. In the event Wall stays out all season, welcome him back as long as he can still play.

Arenas reportedly looked good in workouts around LA.

Seems to me a veteran guard is available, and not a bad one for Beal to pass to if open. How bad is Gil at this point? Is he still better than A. J. Price?

Let's be honest, we've all thought about it at some point today. I, for one, want to see Gilbert back in DC. Even if it's just as a peace offering. But I don't think the Wizards would even consider the idea, just because of their past with him. It's a shame. Maybe it's a good idea, distractions/PR wise, but I dunno, I think it'd be nice to extend an olive branch and make things better. Make things about basketball, and nothing else.

BUT, I think if Gilbert signs with any NBA team right now, it'll be the Lakers.

There have been multiple reports of him working out and trying out with the Lakers over the course of the last year.
The Lakers currently hate their backup Point Guards (Steve Blake and Chris Duhon - who I'd sadly prefer over our current guys).
Eddie Jordan is an assistant coach in LA, and they're implementing his princeton offense... guess who used to run that offense for him for years in DC? Hibachi.
Reunite with Jamison.
Arenas is from LA.
He'd be like the 8th option, so hardly any pressure or reliance on him.

The idea never entered my mind. And I think for a good reason. Its not happening and it would be a terrible idea.

As for Gil running the Princeton. He didnt run that. He ran the Gil offense.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I can honestly say that the first time I thought about Arenas returning to DC was when I read CCJ's post. I think that would be a bad idea -- not because Arenas is a bad guy, but because he was really unproductive last season. Then add in all the media questions and scrutiny and all the crap that would go with him coming back. If he was the old Agent Zero, it'd be worth putting up with all that. But not the shell of himself he was last season.

He's been a shell of himself and likely still is.

I think the Wizards could merely say the past is the past. Gilbert was great and maybe there is still something there. He left DC after starting with Hinrich and Wall. He didn't leave in handcuffs.

You're right that he's very likely done as a player, Nivek. I say give him a chance on a non-guaranteed, veteran-minimum deal IF he can still play. The media can ask all the questions they want and the answers can all be we live and learn, and there are no hard feelings.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Relax. That Gil idea isn't happening. I just threw it out there as an afterthought…

How about inviting Curtis Stinson from the D-League on a training camp deal?

At this point, I think the Wizards will roll with AJ Price (since he's guaranteed) and whoever looks better between Mack, Steven Gray, and anyone else they can invite to training camp at the last minute.

Crawford likely will become the starting PG.

[montestewart]

Relax. That Gil idea isn't happening. I just threw it out there as an afterthought…

How about inviting Curtis Stinson from the D-League on a training camp deal?

At this point, I think the Wizards will roll with AJ Price (since he's guaranteed) and whoever looks better between Mack, Steven Gray, and anyone else they can invite to training camp at the last minute.

Crawford likely will become the starting PG.

On the plus side there, Crawford gets 21 ppg, 6 apg, 2 spg -- never mind the misses, TOs, and losses (tank losses I tell you, tank losses) -- and some sucka actually trades something for him at the end of the season. That's how you spin straw into lemonade.

[truwizfan4evr]

More shots for Beal maybe he has a chance at roy award?

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Re: Gil -- I think I read somewhere that his Doctors have told him in no uncertain terms to shut it down; his knee can't take it.

[Rafael122]

Per Twitter, Jannero Pargo signed.

[hands11]

So Mack, Pargo and A.J. Price

Just not feeling comfortable playing a month of ball with those as the PG options. I would dare say I would feel more comfortable if Crawford was starting or backing up at PG.

Help

Maybe final roster cuts will yield something.

Man, the one player the Wiz could least afford to get hurt was Wall.