James Harden traded to the Rockets

Strange Clouds · Post #141 » by **Strange Clouds** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

poeman wrote:Thunder won this trade hands down

No, not this time. The team that could do no wrong destroyed a beautiful nucleus

sisibilio · Post #142 » by **sisibilio** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

therealbig3 wrote:I take RAPM seriously in my player evaluations, and I was interested in what Kevin Martin looked like.

He's apparently a net negative impact player...decent offensively (I like his off-ball game), but an atrocious defender...like so bad that it overwhelms his offense and then some. And this is a consistent theme throughout his career.

Harden was a bad defensive player too, but he was a fantastic offensive player and was overall a very high impact player.

Food for thought.

I don't think Martin is in the future plans of Presti, just a stop gap until Lamb can take over.

Honey Bear · Post #143 » by **Honey Bear** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

Lightning25 wrote:
Chosen01 wrote:He's more than a slight downgrade, Harden was an all around guard who could defend, a great play maker and rebounder.

Is this a joke? Harden could defend?

He could pass/make plays and creates for others and that's the only thing he has over Martin. He is a worse shooter/scorer. Harden has no mid-range game. He can't score from anywhere like Martin can.

What fantasy world are you living in? Seriously.

InFlames · Post #144 » by **InFlames** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

SternSucks wrote:
InFlames wrote:
SternSucks wrote:So the Rockets were willing to offer all that for Harden but not D12??? Doesn't make sense

D12 wouldn't commit to Houston, no way Houston gives up all that for a rental Dwight.

So they've already got a commitment from Harden?

I have no clue, I would assume so considering they just gave up the farm.

Post #145 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

SternSucks wrote:
InFlames wrote:
SternSucks wrote:So the Rockets were willing to offer all that for Harden but not D12??? Doesn't make sense

D12 wouldn't commit to Houston, no way Houston gives up all that for a rental Dwight.

So they've already got a commitment from Harden?

restricted free agent.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #146 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

Coach Smiley wrote:wowza don't jerk around OKC front office or else!

Sam Presti is MF'N boss. He and Clay Bennett did not waste time pulling the trigger on that deal.

Win or lose the deal those dudes have huge brass ones. Wow

Chosen01 · Post #147 » by **Chosen01** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

Lightning25 wrote:
Chosen01 wrote:He's more than a slight downgrade, Harden was an all around guard who could defend, a great play maker and rebounder.

Is this a joke? Harden could defend?

He could pass/make plays and creates for others and that's the only thing he has over Martin. He is a worse shooter/scorer. Harden has no mid-range game. He can't score from anywhere like Martin can.

He's a better defender than Martin, doesn't matter if he could score "anywhere", kinda like saying Carmelo is the better scorer than LeBron because he could score "anywhere". Harden was more efficient scoring 17ppg last year.

gethigh · Post #148 » by **gethigh** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

wow 2 picks and martin and lamb for a guy they didnt want to extend? well played Presti.

TheNewEra · Post #149 » by **TheNewEra** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:10 am

Okc has to be a favorite

DreDay · Post #150 » by **DreDay** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:11 am

Absolutely terrible for Houston. Beyond awful. People are dreaming if he scores over 20 points at above league average efficiency. I see around 21ppg on terrible efficiency with terrible defense. And they lost Jeremy Lamb and the Raptors pick? This will set Houston back years.

Terrific for OKC. Lamb is a stud and anyone can shoot godly efficiency in that team like Harden. Martin will have no problems shooting around 49% from the field just like Harden.

High 5 · Post #151 » by **High 5** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:11 am

Lightning25 wrote:This thread is just further confirmation that Harden is overrated on here.

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if Harden totally flopped as a #1 option.

burgerplex · Post #152 » by **burgerplex** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:11 am

OKC got the Raptors pick?

Oh man, Presti won that deal big time.

TheToothFairy · Post #153 » by **TheToothFairy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:11 am

Presti is a fantastic GM

Both teams got what they wanted

personally I would have not some the trade if I were Houston

I think Lamb will be good plus 3 picks?

eslr · Post #154 » by **eslr** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:11 am

People are really underrating how bad Kevin Martin is.

Floydnd24 · Post #155 » by **Floydnd24** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

HEY GUYS HOW THE LAKERS LOOKING NOW?

Banks2Pierce · Post #156 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

I think for guards that Offense has to be significantly weighted more in terms of overall net impact. I think it should be the opposite for bigs.

poeman · Post #157 » by **poeman** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

The new BIG 3

Lin, Asik, Harden

ITS ON NOW

Inigo_Montoya · Post #158 » by **Inigo_Montoya** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

Congrats to the Thunder, could be a little rough in the short term but there is gonna be a whole lot of young talent heading their way. Especially if they can keep their efficient drafting up.

Lightning25 · Post #159 » by **Lightning25** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

Chosen01 wrote:He's a better defender than Martin, doesn't matter if he could score "anywhere", kinda like saying Carmelo is the better scorer than LeBron because he could score "anywhere". Harden was more efficient scoring 17ppg last year.

There is a reason why Harden got exposed as bad as he did in the Finals. Heat are the best PnR defense in the league. Harden can't get to the rim without a screener. Harden has no mid-range game so if he gets a pick but he doesn't get to the rim or doesn't get a good look in the 3, he has nothing.

He lacks scoring versatility.

He and Martin are the same defensively. That is complete lateral but Lamb is an upgrade over Harden defensively.

624 · Post #160 » by **624** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:12 am

eslr wrote:People are really underrating how bad Kevin Martin is.

Kevin Martin is just an expiring.

Lamb is the future at SG for OKC.