Harden Traded to the Rockets!

[No-Man]

I'd love the roster and the look of the team... but I don't like Lin at all, and I dislike him more with Harden around...

Just with Lowry instead of him..

[MaxRider]

are we giving up too much for Harden?

Martin is good as go, don't care
Lamb was supposed to be our future starting SG
i know Harden is a better player now
but without flopping is Harden really better in 3 years? (also expect Rockets to give him the max 60M 4 years extension)
a lottery pick from Toronto -- don't really know now
late 1st round pick from Dallas -- yea don't care much
early 2nd round pick from Charlotte -- well, Morey can always buy it back

[tha_rock220]

I'm still not sold on this. In 2015 the Rockets are going to have $45 million in cap room tied up in Harden, Lin, and Asik. I can't convince myself that's a championship caliber core.

Not entirely accurate. The cap hit for Lin and Asik will be somewhere upwards of 16 million combined because their contracts are divided equally over 3 years in terms of how it effects the salary cap even though in real life they get their big ballon payment in that 3rd year. Plus they expire after the season if the experiment fails. Also consider that the Rockets still presently have enough cap room to sign a max free agent this summer to add to this mix.

Did I have it backwards??? I thought Lin was going to make $8 million a year and it was going to count as $5, $5, and $15 against eh cap.

Which max free agents should they target???

[moofs]

This might be Morey's best trade yet...

I am so psyched right now.

[Vator]

It amazes me how some think we gave up too much. How many late lottery picks and late 1st rounders do people want to draft? We don't need more Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Chandler Parsons, etc. They are decent in their own right, but come on. Morey stockpiled all these picks in order to trade them for proven commodities, not to have 3 or more rookie projects on the squad every year. Lamb will be missed, but he has a ways to go before he is on Harden's level. He needs to develop better handles and passing ability to create offense for himself and others before they are even in the same conversation.

[Vator]

I'm still not sold on this. In 2015 the Rockets are going to have $45 million in cap room tied up in Harden, Lin, and Asik. I can't convince myself that's a championship caliber core.

Not entirely accurate. The cap hit for Lin and Asik will be somewhere upwards of 16 million combined because their contracts are divided equally over 3 years in terms of how it effects the salary cap even though in real life they get their big ballon payment in that 3rd year. Plus they expire after the season if the experiment fails. Also consider that the Rockets still presently have enough cap room to sign a max free agent this summer to add to this mix.

Did I have it backwards??? I thought Lin was going to make $8 million a year and it was going to count as $5, $5, and $15 against eh cap.

Which max free agents should they target???

You have that right, but there is a loophole that spreads the payment equally over the 3 years for the Rockets on the cap, but had New York or Chicago matched, they would have had to pay 5/5/15 whereas the Rockets are doing approximately 8.3/8.3/8.3

Not sure who is worth paying in free agency. Haven't done the homework on that yet, but like I said earlier, having Harden at least makes us a player again for bringing in talent. Nobody was coming here to team up with Lamb, but if Harden pans out, he has the potential to lure us another big name.

[MaxRider]

It amazes me how some think we gave up too much. How many late lottery picks and late 1st rounders do people want to draft? We don't need more Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Chandler Parsons, etc. They are decent in their own right, but come on. Morey stockpiled all these picks in order to trade them for proven commodities, not to have 3 or more rookie projects on the squad every year. Lamb will be missed, but he has a ways to go before he is on Harden's level. He needs to develop better handles and passing ability to create offense for himself and others before they are even in the same conversation.

just don't know how much of no flopping will effect his game
now he doesn't have Durant and Westbrook to play off of
another question is
is Aldrich better than Smith?
is Hayward better than Forbes?

[MaxRider]

good news is ...
we have an Olympics gold medalist on the team (again)

[Vator]

It amazes me how some think we gave up too much. How many late lottery picks and late 1st rounders do people want to draft? We don't need more Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Chandler Parsons, etc. They are decent in their own right, but come on. Morey stockpiled all these picks in order to trade them for proven commodities, not to have 3 or more rookie projects on the squad every year. Lamb will be missed, but he has a ways to go before he is on Harden's level. He needs to develop better handles and passing ability to create offense for himself and others before they are even in the same conversation.

just don't know how much of no flopping will effect his game
now he doesn't have Durant and Westbrook to play off of
another question is
is Aldrich better than Smith?
is Hayward better than Forbes?

Dude flopped on defense from time to time because it worked, but his offensive game isn't centered around flopping. He can handle, he can shoot, he can pass, and he gets to the line because of penetration, not because of awkward off balance shots like Kevin Martin used to get bailed out on up until last year.

[kam_soluusar]

Everyone keeps missing the point here.

We got rid of Martin, for Harden. That's a win in anyones book. Case closed.

A bird in the hand, is worth two in the bush. (This is an apt analogy because of Bird rights as well!)

Yes giving up Lamb sucks. But you have to spend money to make money. You don't get value for nothing.

Have I used enough Cliche`s yet?


Also, Morey had to make someone else his Bitch. He was getting tired of cornholing New York every chance he got. You know what I mean, the joke grew stale.

[MaxRider]

It amazes me how some think we gave up too much. How many late lottery picks and late 1st rounders do people want to draft? We don't need more Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Chandler Parsons, etc. They are decent in their own right, but come on. Morey stockpiled all these picks in order to trade them for proven commodities, not to have 3 or more rookie projects on the squad every year. Lamb will be missed, but he has a ways to go before he is on Harden's level. He needs to develop better handles and passing ability to create offense for himself and others before they are even in the same conversation.

just don't know how much of no flopping will effect his game
now he doesn't have Durant and Westbrook to play off of
another question is
is Aldrich better than Smith?
is Hayward better than Forbes?

Dude flopped on defense from time to time because it worked, but his offensive game isn't centered around flopping. He can handle, he can shoot, he can pass, and he gets to the line because of penetration, not because of awkward off balance shots like Kevin Martin used to get bailed out on up until last year.

he flops on offense too
i know it's a good trade for the team
but i still don't like it

[rocketsballin]

more cliche's to help rot whats left of our brains after reading your post please

definitely best part of the deal is we traded martin and got harden in return. no way we're getting all stars w/o taking a hit somewhere. we didnt trade half our roster, just all our picks

im warming up to this trade, but still have to wait and see how everything pans out. if harden can prove me wrong im all for it.

[MaxRider]

Everyone keeps missing the point here.

We got rid of Martin, for Harden. That's a win in anyones book. Case closed.

A bird in the hand, is worth two in the bush. (This is an apt analogy because of Bird rights as well!)

Yes giving up Lamb sucks. But you have to spend money to make money. You don't get value for nothing.

Have I used enough Cliche`s yet?


Also, Morey had to make someone else his Bitch. He was getting tired of cornholing New York every chance he got. You know what I mean, the joke grew stale.

the plan was suck the next 2-3 years to get high lottery picks
now we are back in the 10-14th pick range again

[Vator]

he flops on offense too
i know it's a good trade for the team
but i still don't like it

Lots of guys (ex. Lebron) get hit and exaggerate the contact because the refs bought into it, but what I'm saying is, it isn't a staple in his game. He can still be good without the acting. He will still get to the line because he gets hit going towards the basket whereas Kevin Martin would be falling away which is why he didn't get the calls last year.

[aznkillabeezZz]

Everyone keeps missing the point here.

We got rid of Martin, for Harden. That's a win in anyones book. Case closed.

A bird in the hand, is worth two in the bush. (This is an apt analogy because of Bird rights as well!)

Yes giving up Lamb sucks. But you have to spend money to make money. You don't get value for nothing.

Have I used enough Cliche`s yet?


Also, Morey had to make someone else his Bitch. He was getting tired of cornholing New York every chance he got. You know what I mean, the joke grew stale.

the plan was suck the next 2-3 years to get high lottery picks
now we are back in the 10-14th pick range again

See how we'll it worked for bobcats dude. 7 wins last year. They got mkg who's yet to be seen much. Plus if u want to see teams tank, support bobcats . Rockets will unlikely tank

[Slava]

are we giving up too much for Harden?

Martin is good as go, don't care
Lamb was supposed to be our future starting SG
i know Harden is a better player now
but without flopping is Harden really better in 3 years? (also expect Rockets to give him the max 60M 4 years extension)
a lottery pick from Toronto -- don't really know now
late 1st round pick from Dallas -- yea don't care much
early 2nd round pick from Charlotte -- well, Morey can always buy it back

Time to scratch another name on that sig.

[Vator]

the plan was suck the next 2-3 years to get high lottery picks
now we are back in the 10-14th pick range again

I hear you, but that has NEVER been the plan. They have said as much. They want to rebuild through trades and free agency. Lets hope it works. In all honesty, either way requires some luck. Look at how crappy teams with high draft picks every year still continue to suck. Clippers for a long time, the Warriors, the Raptors, the Pistons, the Kings...I can go on and on. Everybody doesn't pull an OKC. You need that true superstar in order for that plan to work and those just don't come along every year. Typically you need the 1st pick in the draft and I don't really think we were worst team in the league bad even without Harden.

[Guy986]

are we giving up too much for Harden?

Martin is good as go, don't care
Lamb was supposed to be our future starting SG
i know Harden is a better player now
but without flopping is Harden really better in 3 years? (also expect Rockets to give him the max 60M 4 years extension)
a lottery pick from Toronto -- don't really know now
late 1st round pick from Dallas -- yea don't care much
early 2nd round pick from Charlotte -- well, Morey can always buy it back

Time to scratch another name on that sig.

Tyler Hansbrough is next after Harden!

Get er done Morey.

[Guy986]

the plan was suck the next 2-3 years to get high lottery picks
now we are back in the 10-14th pick range again

I hear you, but that has NEVER been the plan. They have said as much. They want to rebuild through trades and free agency. Lets hope it works. In all honesty, either way requires some luck. Look at how crappy teams with high draft picks every year still continue to suck. Clippers for a long time, the Warriors, the Raptors, the Pistons, the Kings...I can go on and on. Everybody doesn't pull an OKC. You need that true superstar in order for that plan to work and those just don't come along every year. Typically you need the 1st pick in the draft and I don't really think we were worst team in the league bad even without Harden.

I think we were bottom 5 without Harden.

Harden jeopardizes our Draft position. Only reason i'm opposed to this.

[Vator]

the plan was suck the next 2-3 years to get high lottery picks
now we are back in the 10-14th pick range again

I hear you, but that has NEVER been the plan. They have said as much. They want to rebuild through trades and free agency. Lets hope it works. In all honesty, either way requires some luck. Look at how crappy teams with high draft picks every year still continue to suck. Clippers for a long time, the Warriors, the Raptors, the Pistons, the Kings...I can go on and on. Everybody doesn't pull an OKC. You need that true superstar in order for that plan to work and those just don't come along every year. Typically you need the 1st pick in the draft and I don't really think we were worst team in the league bad even without Harden.

I think we were bottom 5 without Harden.

Harden jeopardizes our Draft position. Only reason i'm opposed to this.

Maybe bottom 5, but if you want the top pick you have to go all in lol