Will Cory Higgins make the final roster?

[LamarMatic7]

I'd feel better about it if Cory wasn't the absolute worst player in the NBA. He honestly makes me wish we had Sherron Collins back and makes Jeff McInnis look like an All-Star.

Bonnell thinks otherwise

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Just ran into Jeff McInnis: Good guy who was good with the @bobcats

[fatlever]

yeah, i read that last night and had a true WTF reaction. mcinnis may have been a good guy and great in the locker room, but he wasnt a good player when he was a bobcat. rod higgins had to cut him just to keep sam vincent from playing him. mcinnis had a PERs of 7.7 and 6.5 in his two seasons here. he was better than higgins and collins, but he definitely wasnt "good".

[doc.end]

Wasn't he great outside of locker room? Locking Vincent inside? Or was it outside?

[fatlever]

Wasn't he great outside of locker room? Locking Vincent inside? Or was it outside?

haha. that was probably the greatest thing any bobcats player has ever done. you have to give McMinus credit for that one.

[chrbal]

Is it wrong that I look at the guys Houston cut and think "charlotte could use any or all of those players"?

Brockman would give the team a hustle guy. JaJuan Johnson is a tall young guy. Forbes is a deep bench wing. Livingston would be great fit as a specialist guard (he and Johnson are the two guys i think Charlotte should consider). Hayward...well maybe not all of those players.

I feel like there will be some more good fits for Charlotte waived. So I think Cory should be cut. But will he be...I wouldn't bet on it.

[mrknowitall215]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Just ran into Jeff McInnis: Good guy who was good with the @bobcats

Anytime somebody bring up Jeff McInnis, I can't help but to think of Charles Oakley smacking him in the layup line

[Bassman]

Is it wrong that I look at the guys Houston cut and think "charlotte could use any or all of those players"?

Brockman would give the team a hustle guy. JaJuan Johnson is a tall young guy. Forbes is a deep bench wing. Livingston would be great fit as a specialist guard (he and Johnson are the two guys i think Charlotte should consider). Hayward...well maybe not all of those players.

I feel like there will be some more good fits for Charlotte waived. So I think Cory should be cut. But will he be...I wouldn't bet on it.

Indeed, any of those players are better than Higgy, although I agree on Livingston and Johnson being the best to consider from Houston's cuts. Heck, there are multiple players out there far better, looking for a team to contribute to. If Higgins is here, MJ and company are officially blood-sucking ticks, using their team to supply cash to a family member. If they ALSO add Jardine due to the "dating daughter" connection, I am officially done. Some may cheer my departure, and that's OK. But how long can you keep supporting an organization that does crap like this? All of this is over and above the other things that they don't or won't do, such as secure a quality power forward to give us a post game. I still get a little sick when I think of Cho's rationale (via the "draft video") for why they would not take either Robinson or Drummond (too crowded at the 4). There is a difference between quantity and quality. Hyphen? He will contribute for sure, but put off watching him in an all-star game for a very long time. I would have traded down to 4 & 24 (as I pleaded for us to do), take the best player remaining (Robinson or even Drummond, since rumor is that's who MJ wanted), and then get a quality player again at 24.

Sorry for the rant, but as you can see, decisions like these (if they occur) just add to the frustration.

[countryboi]

Is it wrong that I look at the guys Houston cut and think "charlotte could use any or all of those players"?

Brockman would give the team a hustle guy. JaJuan Johnson is a tall young guy. Forbes is a deep bench wing. Livingston would be great fit as a specialist guard (he and Johnson are the two guys i think Charlotte should consider). Hayward...well maybe not all of those players.

I feel like there will be some more good fits for Charlotte waived. So I think Cory should be cut. But will he be...I wouldn't bet on it.

Indeed, any of those players are better than Higgy, although I agree on Livingston and Johnson being the best to consider from Houston's cuts. Heck, there are multiple players out there far better, looking for a team to contribute to. If Higgins is here, MJ and company are officially blood-sucking ticks, using their team to supply cash to a family member. If they ALSO add Jardine due to the "dating daughter" connection, I am officially done. Some may cheer my departure, and that's OK. But how long can you keep supporting an organization that does crap like this? All of this is over and above the other things that they don't or won't do, such as secure a quality power forward to give us a post game. I still get a little sick when I think of Cho's rationale (via the "draft video") for why they would not take either Robinson or Drummond (too crowded at the 4). There is a difference between quantity and quality. Hyphen? He will contribute for sure, but put off watching him in an all-star game for a very long time. I would have traded down to 4 & 24 (as I pleaded for us to do), take the best player remaining (Robinson or even Drummond, since rumor is that's who MJ wanted), and then get a quality player again at 24.

Sorry for the rant, but as you can see, decisions like these (if they occur) just add to the frustration.

you are right on all accounts....i really cant defend this. we cut UPS for higgins? thats just hurts to even think about

[LamarMatic7]

Is it wrong that I look at the guys Houston cut and think "charlotte could use any or all of those players"?

Brockman would give the team a hustle guy. JaJuan Johnson is a tall young guy. Forbes is a deep bench wing. Livingston would be great fit as a specialist guard (he and Johnson are the two guys i think Charlotte should consider). Hayward...well maybe not all of those players.

I feel like there will be some more good fits for Charlotte waived. So I think Cory should be cut. But will he be...I wouldn't bet on it.

You are absolutely correct. I reckon that it would be hard to find a guy actually worse than Higgins who has been waived during these last days.

[LamarMatic7]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Just ran into Jeff McInnis: Good guy who was good with the @bobcats

Anytime somebody bring up Jeff McInnis, I can't help but to think of Charles Oakley smacking him in the layup line

That's what happens to me when somebody brings up Tyrone Hill. Oakley threw basketballs at him during warm-ups and I believe it happened several times, since Tyrone didn't pay up quickly enough, so Oakley would do it every time their teams faced off. Just like Bill Simmons said - there are only two reasons for feuds in the NBA - debts from card games (Tyrone Hill) and women (Jeff McInnis).

[Eoghan]

If Higgins is here, MJ and company are officially blood-sucking ticks, using their team to supply cash to a family member. If they ALSO add Jardine due to the "dating daughter" connection, I am officially done.

I'm with you man, if Scoop Jardine ends up here that will be the straw that breaks this camel's back. I've had hands over my ears trying to ignore the "MJ is a joke/Bobcats will never be a winning franchise" punchlines but I can only drown them out for so long.

I won't stop being a Bobcats' fan but I'll definitely chit talk MJ and FO every chance I get until he wakes the fook up.

[HornetJail]

you are right on all accounts....i really cant defend this. we cut UPS for higgins? thats just hurts to even think about

I would take literally anybody who's played in the league recently over Higgins. Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on some random European or undrafted rookie we've never even heard of than sticking with the guy that has been ranked as THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYER IN THE NBA by several different places. We'd be better off trying to rehabilitate Greg Oden's legs than trying to make Cory Higgins an NBA caliber player. I don't care how hard he works, he's absolute garbage.

Right now if we waived Higgins for DJ "The Great Turnstile of China" White, I'd have (a very, very tiny) sliver of hope for this management. The fact we let Derrick Brown, our best value pick in franchise history to this point (as sad as that is), leave instead of Cory Higgins makes my blood boil and it speaks volumes about how obvious this bull is. An average fan can figure out Cory's only there because of Rod. The sooner we boot the pair, the better.

[LamarMatic7]

yeah, i read that last night and had a true WTF reaction. mcinnis may have been a good guy and great in the locker room, but he wasnt a good player when he was a bobcat. rod higgins had to cut him just to keep sam vincent from playing him. mcinnis had a PERs of 7.7 and 6.5 in his two seasons here. he was better than higgins and collins, but he definitely wasnt "good".

lol, the timing of this thread
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[Bassman]

It's Wednesday morning, and there is nothing...nothing but the usual tripe from Bonnell (Gordon the closer...). So, very quietly, we have still done nothing about bringing in players, quality young players, and Higgy is still here. His name is listed on the Cats current roster on their NBA website, although the Bio won't load, so I suppose there is still hope.

If your gonna keep running the patronage hand-out, the food-stamp position, the vitrual unemployment insurance benefit, AT LEAST BE UPFRONT AND HONEST ABOUT IT! Cho has tiny little balls. He acts big and decisive when he disregards our biggest needs on the front line to pick our future Crash-clone, but he won't push back on MJ's buddy with the corrupt title of GM. Higgins senior is a drugstore cowboy...strutting around like a rooster in his GQ suit. He is the EMPTY CHAIR of the Bobcats.

[_tijo_]

Tell us how you really feel Bassman...

Yes, it sends a message to your supporters and fans that the son of the VP of basketball operations is on the team, as well as the boyfriend of the chairman's daughter. Yes, they occupy the 14 and 15 spot on the bench. And I'll even give that Higgins has worked hard. But hard work isn't enough. It reeks of cronyism and nepotism and tells your fans that you aren't really serious about making your team better, because everybody knows they have limited ceilings. It makes the Bobcats look foolish, amateur, and a two-bit operation. The Spurs, Thunder, or Lakers would never have this. Management will complain how the community won't support a professional basketball team, however, the way they run their business is reflective in this; it is not run like a professional basketball team at the highest level, and the fans see that. So why should Charlotte support them as such? If they think that this doesn't matter, then they are fooling themselves. It all matters.

If you want the support of the community, the sellouts, the merch sales, the unwavering support of the community, then you have to get rid of all semblance that this is about you. And just having Cory Higgins and Scoop Jardine makes it about MJ, Rod Higgins, and the entire management staff. The Spurs make the team about winning, about the community, and try to put a winner out there for their fans to support. I can't even name the owner of the Spurs. That's why he has the support, because it's about the team, the fans, and the community.

That being said, I don't think this is on Cho. His hands are tied by his two direct supervisors. I support the Bobcats, and hope they get it straight, but this is the epitome of their issues right now.

[Kembastockton]

As usual you guys are making a big deal out of nothing. Do I like that Higginson is on the team? No. Do I like the fact that a spot is said to be held open earmarked for Mike's possible future son-in-law? Not really. But honestly what difference does it really make? It is not like our future team superstar is likely to be picked up off the waiver wire. We are talking about the two guys at the very end of the bench. If one of these guys were going to get starter's minutes that would be a different story, but neither guy is going to get many minutes, and both guys increase our chances of a top three pick next summer.

[_tijo_]

True, Mt.Biyombo, neither will get minutes. But what if you replaced him with a raw talent, high ceiling guy who Coach could develop. Then they could turn into a real contributor or rotation guy. They hold down a place that could be used as gamble guys, like Gerald Green.

[Kembastockton]

That could be done, but you have to ask yourself. How many raw, high ceiling guys can a coach develop at once? Half of our roster fits that description.

[fatlever]

i've read some opinions that higgins making the team is non-issue.

reasons why higgins makes the team
1) he works hard
2) is young enough to have some upside
3) can defend two positions
4) doesn't complain about his role or lack of playing time
5) is well liked by teammates

here's why i believe it is an issue
1) perception - the front office and MJ in particular have received a lot of heat in the past few years for employing friends and family, "Friends of Mike". Barkley has been very open about how MJ needs to stop hiring yes men and find people who will tell him no. keeping higgins, by most accounts, the worst statistical player in the NBA, we are furthering that perception that the organization has not changed.

2) keeping others off the team - last year we had 15 players on the roster for most of the year, with higgins being #15. we could not add any players w/out cutting higgins (until we cut diaw at the end of the year). this prevented us from adding NBDL players on 10 day contracts as well as trying to make claims for guys like hickson, williams and possibly lin. there is not doubt in my mind that we could have avoided the worst record in history if we had moved quickly to add a few players who could play. this year we are at 14, with higgins, so at least we are able to add another player, if needed.

for a veteran team with no minutes available, i could see keeping a player like higgins around. he would be someone to play hard in practice while accepting his role as 15th man. but for the worst team in the league, i dont think we have the luxury of keeping a player on the roster just because that player is well liked and works hard. this team needs to be looking at every single avenue to improve and one of those avenues is taking chances on NBDL guys and picking up talent when it is waived (assuming the price is right and the player is agreeable to playing for the bobcats).

ultimately, i think keeping higgins sends the wrong message to the fans and the league. it says, MJ is still OK with employing his buddies and it says the bobcats are not trying as hard as possible to improve.

and frankly, the fact that NOBODY in the charlotte media is discussing this bothers me.

[therebirth]

If you want to hear scoop jardine talk about how he is gonna make his way to the cats roster after a couple of months in the d league you can listen to it here. He talks about it after the first commercial break.

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/MikeBri ... w/13735479