Race to the MVP.

osamu · Post #141 » by **osamu** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:29 pm

TheGarden wrote:People usually say MVP is the best player on the best team, okay

who's the best team in the league right now?

who's the best player on that team?

case closed until those question's answers change

it's an 82 games season... your eagerness to get Melo recognized is annoying

TheGarden · Post #142 » by **TheGarden** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:35 pm

kamelion4291 wrote:
TheGarden wrote:People usually say MVP is the best player on the best team, okay

who's the best team in the league right now?

who's the best player on that team?

case closed until those question's answers change

The vast majority of people still consider Miami the best team, so your argument is silly.

people consider them the best but records prove otherwise, right or wrong, I didn't bring up who's MVP after a week into the season someone else did and I feel Melo is in the convo thats all I'm asking for, you dont have to say he's #1 but he's in the conversation dont say he's not and has no chance

TheGarden · Post #143 » by **TheGarden** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:36 pm

osamu wrote:
TheGarden wrote:People usually say MVP is the best player on the best team, okay

who's the best team in the league right now?

who's the best player on that team?

case closed until those question's answers change

it's an 82 games season... your eagerness to get Melo recognized is annoying

because he's not getting his fair shake, if you say he has a shot and is in the conversation then I have no problem because he is the race and has a chance, thats my whole argument

kamelion4291 · Post #144 » by **kamelion4291** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:44 pm

TheGarden wrote:people consider them the best but records prove otherwise, right or wrong, I didn't bring up who's MVP after a week into the season someone else did and I feel Melo is in the convo thats all I'm asking for, you dont have to say he's #1 but he's in the conversation dont say he's not and has no chance

Actually, records don't "prove" anything 4-6 games into the season. I'm not sure if you're trolling, but Miami is the best team in the league, not the Knicks. Therefore, LeBron over Melo for MVP by your standard for the award. Is Melo up there for the award? Yes. Is he higher than LeBron? No.

Jazzfan12 · Post #145 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:48 pm

TheGarden wrote:People usually say MVP is the best player on the best team, okay

who's the best team in the league right now?

who's the best player on that team?

case closed until those question's answers change

I don't think Tony Parker won MVP last year and Luol Deng and Tim Duncan got no consideration for the award either.

TheGarden · Post #146 » by **TheGarden** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:01 pm

kamelion4291 wrote:
TheGarden wrote:people consider them the best but records prove otherwise, right or wrong, I didn't bring up who's MVP after a week into the season someone else did and I feel Melo is in the convo thats all I'm asking for, you dont have to say he's #1 but he's in the conversation dont say he's not and has no chance

Actually, records don't "prove" anything 4-6 games into the season. I'm not sure if you're trolling, but Miami is the best team in the league, not the Knicks. Therefore, LeBron over Melo for MVP by your standard for the award. Is Melo up there for the award? Yes. Is he higher than LeBron? No.

4-6 games into the season, okay so why have the discussion if 4-6 games dont matter

Miami is the best team in the league according to people's opinions the best team in the league is decided in June when that one team lifts up the O'Brien, the Heat were the best team in 2011-2012, its a new year and a new day

And we beat this so called best team by 20 I dont wanna hear anything else on that

but thank you for saying Carmelo is up there thats all I'm asking for

Post #147 » by **og15** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:07 pm

Captin Planit wrote:
TheGarden wrote:anyway, I said what I said because he just throws out the numbers these guys are putting up as evidence to why they should be MVP or as its starting to be known as the best stats award

anyway, its getting very annoying to see everyone saying Melo has "no shot" at MVP but then again I see no one really understands what the award stands for

But arguing for players with the best stats is no more or less acknowledgeable than a fanatic knee-jerk reaction in defense of your team's leader.

I can't imagine anybody who doesn't already possess bias in favor of another team or player dismissing Melo's contention. The issue is that so long as Lebron is Lebron playing like Lebron on a team that will cruise to the finals on auto-pilot (for the most part, I'm being facetious) led by Lebron, Melo should not justifiably win the award.

And I say this as a Nets fan who dries his tears on the straps of his Brooklyn Industries backpack thanks to Deron Williams' inability to perform as a top 5 MVP candidate while based in the Eastern Conference.

Dark horse contender: DeMarcus Cousins.

On what seems like it will be a bad team and one of the worst offenses in the league with <45% FG and <.500 TS% as a center? I don't think so, and his raw number wouldn't get him MVP on a good team, but at least he defends though.

Carl25 · Post #148 » by **Carl25** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:52 pm

If Kobe is in the conversation, Rondo has to be in the conversation.

TheGarden · Post #149 » by **TheGarden** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:57 pm

Carl25 wrote:If Kobe is in the conversation, Rondo has to be in the conversation.

word

ShowTimeERA · Post #150 » by **ShowTimeERA** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:50 am

Carl25 wrote:If Kobe is in the conversation, Rondo has to be in the conversation.

While Kobe has been great thus far, I don't believe he's in the conversation yet because of the lack of team success...

Bertrob · Post #151 » by **Bertrob** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:56 am

Carl25 wrote:If Kobe is in the conversation, Rondo has to be in the conversation.

Had a very nice start to the season
a consistent 5 double-doubles, and also very efficient

big_ticket · Post #152 » by **big_ticket** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:04 am

TheGarden wrote:
Carl25 wrote:If Kobe is in the conversation, Rondo has to be in the conversation.

word

Brickz7 · Post #153 » by **Brickz7** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:45 am

Carmelo right now should be #1 on every ones list

kamelion4291 · Post #154 » by **kamelion4291** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 am

Brickz7 wrote:Carmelo right now should be #1 on every ones list

Why? Heat are 5-1, the defending champions, and LeBron is leading the league in PER while being a standout defender. Like most people said before the season, it's LeBron's to lose unless the Heat underachieve or the media gets tired of voting for him.

C-izMe · Post #155 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 am

Heat are 5-1 with Wade, Chalmers, Ray and Bosh playing great too. Without Lebron they'd still be 5-1 or 4-2. Most valuable means the team would fall apart without you. Melo leads the offense of the Knicks (they need a scorer) and is surprisingly a leader on defense right now.

Right now Melo deserves I more than Lebron.

kamelion4291 · Post #156 » by **kamelion4291** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:06 am

C-izMe wrote:Heat are 5-1 with Wade, Chalmers, Ray and Bosh playing great too. Without Lebron they'd still be 5-1 or 4-2. Most valuable means the team would fall apart without you. Melo leads the offense of the Knicks (they need a scorer) and is surprisingly a leader on defense right now.

Right now Melo deserves I more than Lebron.

That's hyperbole and isn't the definition of the MVP. There's no way to know what the Heat's record would be if LeBron wasn't playing or what the Knicks would be without Melo. Considering that the Knicks have been blowing teams out, you have even less ground to stand on in that regard when the Heat are winning some close games and LeBron is putting up near triple doubles in those games. As a quick example, the Heat were 15-1 last season in games that Wade didn't play.

Logically speaking, the most valuable player in the entire league is supposed to technically be the best player in the league. LeBron isn't getting penalized for the help he has, and it isn't affecting his ability to do his own job. He's shooting a whopping TWELVE percent higher than Melo. That's a huge difference. I'm pretty sure if you took away Chris Paul from the Clippers, they'd lose more than the Knicks losing Melo so by your definition, is Chris Paul the MVP? If Melo were taking every shot for the Knicks at his current efficiency, they'd have one of the worst offenses in the league. If LeBron were taking every shot for the Heat, they'd have the best offense in the league just based off of the math.

I don't like hyperbole because that's centered in bias and unrealistic calculations. Stick to the tangible.

C-izMe · Post #157 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:11 am

Not right now. The Clippers aren't winning a lot with him. I do believe he'll probably end up deterring the MVP but not getting it (for the third time) this season.

And the Knicks are blowing people out but Melo usually opens up the game hot to bury the opponent early. The rest of the team can get credit for keeping the lead but Melo has opened up every lead by hitting every shot.

If MVP was the best player in the league yearly Jordan would have 8.

kamelion4291 · Post #158 » by **kamelion4291** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:17 am

C-izMe wrote:Not right now. The Clippers aren't winning a lot with him. I do believe he'll probably end up deterring the MVP but not getting it (for the third time) this season.

And the Knicks are blowing people out but Melo usually opens up the game hot to bury the opponent early. The rest of the team can get credit for keeping the lead but Melo has opened up every lead by hitting every shot.

If MVP was the best player in the league yearly Jordan would have 8.

Many would argue that he should have certainly had more than his 5.

LikeABosh · Post #159 » by **LikeABosh** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:21 am

C-izMe wrote: Most valuable means the team would fall apart without you.

No, it's not. What you're saying has some value, but let's expand it and say MVP means most valuable in the league, not just to their team. We don't always know how teams will do without their best player so what you're saying is just conjecture. I'm not gonna decide melo is the MVP because the knicks might be worse without him than the heat without james.

Jazzfan12 · Post #160 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:21 am

C-izMe wrote:Heat are 5-1 with Wade, Chalmers, Ray and Bosh playing great too. Without Lebron they'd still be 5-1 or 4-2. Most valuable means the team would fall apart without you. Melo leads the offense of the Knicks (they need a scorer) and is surprisingly a leader on defense right now.

Right now Melo deserves I more than Lebron.

Tim Duncan for MVP.