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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#41 » by KF10 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:36 am

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KF10 wrote:"...I boo this team as well. And they would boo me too"

- Coach Smart on his team

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Shouldn't have turned off the post game. Is he giving a resignation speech or something?


One of the reporters asked something like "the crowd was booing you guys at the end... was it justified blah blah..." And Smart said something like "They have the right to boo us...I boo this team as well. And they would boo me too.."
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#42 » by KF10 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:37 am

Smart said he will consider some changes in the starting lineup. Maybe taking out 2 starters in favor some of the guys on the bench.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#43 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:08 am

Yeah, I can see this one coming. Reke to the 3 anyone? :lol:

This is still all Petries mess and while I don't think Smart is the right coach by any stretch it's hard to craft a team full of iso scorers into a cohesive unit. He said tonight too many guys went iso and that's not their game, well, actually it IS their game and that's the issue. While the Kyle Korvers of the world were going for nothing this summer Petrie managed to fill the hole JJ Hickson left when he was traded, and although Brooks was a good pickup it further compounded the issue that the only shooters on this team other than Thornton are 5'8", 5'9", and 6'. Anybody else feel like we've been down this road before?

As for questionable coaching, Jimmer and Hayes have been pretty much the two most consistent parts of the offense lately and he hardly played them. Now, I don't think it would have made much of a difference in the long run but it's the questionable decision making from the very top on down that is at the crux of these problems right now.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#44 » by ADoaN17 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:14 am

KF10 wrote:Under-appreciated performance by JT.

It seems like he has a solid game every night.

People are usually hating on him because of his contract.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#45 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:18 am

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KF10 wrote:Under-appreciated performance by JT.

It seems like he has a solid game every night.

People are usually hating on him because of his contract.



And mind you not "hating" on JT the talent, hating on JT the fit. the last few games he's been showing his offensive skills that he doesn't really get to show, which has led this team to a marvelous record huh? He can be a legit 15 and 8 big IMO, but this team needs defense and role play from the PF spot. He can do some things very well but if you watch his defense and especially on help, he's a guy that is in major need for a human eraser next to him. He'd be an awesome fit next to a Dwight Howard or someone like that. One of two things need to happen, either move TRob before his trade value is killed, or create a spot and minutes for him.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#46 » by KF10 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:27 am

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KF10 wrote:Under-appreciated performance by JT.

It seems like he has a solid game every night.

People are usually hating on him because of his contract.


His contract isn't all that bad. ~$6m per year (only ~$2m is guaranteed if he's waived before his last year kicks in). The length of the contract is an issue, I think.

But anyways, for next game I want to see:

Jimmer
Reke
Johnson
Hayes
Cousins

It's common sense to play a player (Jimmer) that has been producing offense efficiently every time he gets on the floor. And adding Hayes into the starting 5 is an obvious fit.

Another lineup I wouldn't mind is the:

Evans
MT23
JJ
Hayes
Cousins

Lets face it, no one on this roster is a PG. Might as well put your best players out there. The "Evans-MT23" backcourt had quite a bit of success last year. Adding a healthy Hayes into the lineup is good.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#47 » by SacKingsPejaFan » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:49 am

I need to see a starting lineup of

Brooks
Thornton
Johnson
Robinson
Cousins

In our current starting lineup, NOBODY can make a jump shot. The team always digs itself holes when Evans and Thomas are the backcourt, and Brooks and Thornton are the ones digging us out in the even quarters. So start them. With the current lineup, teams are free to double and triple team Cousins in the post, and nobody on the court can make them pay because they miss wide open jumpers all day. Cousins benefits from shooters and shooters benefit from Cousins. Brooks and Thornton are shooters. And besides, Evans and Thomas are not starters in this league, period. The coach sees it; they rarely finish games.

And our so-called "defensive" lineups don't stop anybody. Our only hope is trying to outscore teams. That's just the reality of how the roster is constructed. Chuck can play some good one-on-one defense on the opposing team's PF, but look how far that's gotten us in the W column. He's a net negative because he can't grab a rebound to save his life and he's a liability on offense.

And Thompson...come on now. Suck up to his game all you want, but right now, he's the status quo. And the status quo is 2-7. You drafted Robinson at 5, so play the man. He has more upside than Thompson, and is clearly more athletic. Thompson is as good as he's going to get, and that's not good enough to help us win games. At least see what you can get out of Robinson because we're not going to win anyway.

The talent and potential is here; the coach or management or whoever the hell is forcing Evans, Thomas, and Thompson out there instead of Thornton, Brooks, and Robinson is just incompetent. And yes, the roster is stupidly constructed, and I'd be 100% ok if Salmons, Outlaw, Garcia, and Hayes were just cut tomorrow. I mean, Christ in heaven, sign or trade for a small forward who can actually make a jump shot.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#48 » by kevin44 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:19 pm

That was a really bad loss. I never thought we would be dead last in the West. Time to make some changes.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#49 » by bjax24 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:29 pm

Hayes has been fine this year ever bright spot we have. Has been under used off the bench.
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Post#50 » by bibby1023 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:01 pm

Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#51 » by Dustin5566 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:12 pm

Smart doesnt have the balls to bench Tyreke.

Next game Reke will be either at PG (with Salmons starting) or at the 3 (with brooks starting)

JT has been great. cannot justify benching him.

Johnson needs to learn his role (no.shooting outside of 5 feet)

Jimmer needs consistent time to be effective.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#52 » by Dustin5566 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:48 pm

Smart doesnt have the balls to bench Tyreke.

Next game Reke will be either at PG (with Salmons starting) or at the 3 (with brooks starting)

JT has been great. cannot justify benching him.

Johnson needs to learn his role (no.shooting outside of 5 feet)

Jimmer needs consistent time to be effective.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#53 » by a-rod » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:05 pm

bibby1023 wrote:Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.

+1 dc is shooting 42% thats horrible for guard let alone center

i don't get Why you guys like jj hes nice defender but hes not a game changer , we desperately need offense and hes not the answer at SF
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SacKingZZZ wrote:No thanks to Deng. I read a rumor surfing hoopshype awhile back saying Gay for Reke is a possibility.


Must be true, if it's a rumor you read on Hoopshype.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#54 » by ADoaN17 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:44 am

a-rod wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.

+1 dc is shooting 42% thats horrible for guard let alone center

i don't get Why you guys like jj hes nice defender but hes not a game changer , we desperately need offense and hes not the answer at SF

I only like him for his defense but he is all they have.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#55 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:03 am

bibby1023 wrote:Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.


Consistent the last few games when he's one of the leaders in shot attempts, the truth is he doesn't provide that impact defensively that this team needs. JT off the bench as an offensive spark plug could work, but the problem with this team is you can pretty much pick any player off the bench and say that could be them. It's a problem because you only need 1-2 players like that, not 5-6.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#56 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:04 am

Dustin5566 wrote:Smart doesnt have the balls to bench Tyreke.

Next game Reke will be either at PG (with Salmons starting) or at the 3 (with brooks starting)

JT has been great. cannot justify benching him.

Johnson needs to learn his role (no.shooting outside of 5 feet)

Jimmer needs consistent time to be effective.



Somebody has to be able to hit that shot.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#57 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:06 am

a-rod wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.

+1 dc is shooting 42% thats horrible for guard let alone center

i don't get Why you guys like jj hes nice defender but hes not a game changer , we desperately need offense and hes not the answer at SF


Not with a unit that doesn't have shooting at SG. Plenty of non-shooting SF's can play in this league but I've yet to see a team survive with both the SG and SF spot devoid of all shooting prowess.
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Re: Atlanta @ Sacramento 

Post#58 » by a-rod » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:34 am

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a-rod wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:Thompson has arguably been our most consistent starter and you guys want to bench him? Don't get that one. I understand with Hayes in there our offense does runs smoother. I wouldn't bench JT to start Trob just yet with the way JT is laying.

+1 dc is shooting 42% thats horrible for guard let alone center

i don't get Why you guys like jj hes nice defender but hes not a game changer , we desperately need offense and hes not the answer at SF


Not with a unit that doesn't have shooting at SG. Plenty of non-shooting SF's can play in this league but I've yet to see a team survive with both the SG and SF spot devoid of all shooting prowess.


indeed that what i said last week

a-rod wrote:centers are whole different story. let me be more specific. what i was trying to say, i don't think you can run successful offense when you have 2 wing player in the starting lineup they cant hit wide open jumpers.
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