Trade Felton

[Workforce250]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

A regular backup pg? Another shooting guard? We are the deepest team in the East. You want to trade that away?

[Quick Kick]

dont pay attention to Nono

hes a huge Lin funboy and dumps all over Felton on Clutchfans whenever he gets the chance

tired of these Rocket/Lin fans coming over here talking trash.

[Thugger HBC]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

We tried that approach but Nash wasn't willing to come here, and we'd lose Shump in the process.

[Thugger HBC]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

[JustaKnickFan]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

Now this is some BS. Heat won it all with Chalmers as their PG. Lakers with Fisher. Celtics with a very young Rondo. You don't need a great PG to win it all, you just need one that is dedicated to winning and plays smart, which Felton has done. I'm not buying how Felton is mediocre either

[TheChosen618]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

PPS is a bad stat to use, the reason being is that you are better off getting fouled and making 2 FTs opposed to getting an And 1 and making one free throw in that stat.

TS% is a better indicator for scoring efficiency. It's probably the best actually.

[Jezus]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

[Nono]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

Now this is some BS. Heat won it all with Chalmers as their PG. Lakers with Fisher. Celtics with a very young Rondo. You don't need a great PG to win it all, you just need one that is dedicated to winning and plays smart, which Felton has done. I'm not buying how Felton is mediocre either

Yeah, but those guys know how to play within their limits. Chalmers won't chuck you out of a game. I liked the Felton that started the season out. That Felton would be a great third option. The current Felton doesn't know his limits at all.

[JDs_loot]

Felton has been our third best player after Melo and Chandler. He is the best on the team at running the pick and roll. He may not be shooting well, but for the most part, he hasn't taken bad shots, he is taking what the defense is giving him. He done a great job getting Tyson alot of dunks and gets the ball to melo consistently. After he won that game for us in Miami I thought he was a borderline Allstar. Since then I feel his poor shooting has hurt his chances, but the guy has been one of the top PGs in the East, no doubt.

[JustaKnickFan]

None of our three point guards would even be starters on good teams. This is a recipe for failure. Why pay three mediocre point guards around $11m per year rather than trying to get a good one on $8-10m per year and getting a backup on a minimum contract. Very poor. Can't expect Melo to keep on bailing us out game after game.

Now this is some BS. Heat won it all with Chalmers as their PG. Lakers with Fisher. Celtics with a very young Rondo. You don't need a great PG to win it all, you just need one that is dedicated to winning and plays smart, which Felton has done. I'm not buying how Felton is mediocre either

Yeah, but those guys know how to play within their limits. Chalmers won't chuck you out of a game. I liked the Felton that started the season out. That Felton would be a great third option. The current Felton doesn't know his limits at all.

He has to shoot though, he's one of the only guys that can create his shot. You can't just keep giving the ball to Melo or JR every possession, that would just wear them down by the time the 4th quarter comes.

It's also not easy to just drive into the lane and pass out to a shooter, team's now our starting to crack down on our shooters, and they do it well when Brewer is out there.

[No35]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

Near the bottom? Well according to your little ranking there Felton is squarely at the bottom of the list with an abysmal 0.98 points per shot.

No other PG in the league has a PPS of <1.

Ty Lawson, who is apparently 4th worst in the league, gets 1.08 PPS, which is more than 10% more efficient than Ray.

No PG in the league comes close to Ray's abysmal efficiency. Not even close.

[Thugger HBC]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

PPS is a bad stat to use, the reason being is that you are better off getting fouled and making 2 FTs opposed to getting an And 1 and making one free throw in that stat.

TS% is a better indicator for scoring efficiency. It's probably the best actually.

It's fine because it supports my point.

Even using TS% those guys are still near the bottom as starting pg's.

[Thugger HBC]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

Near the bottom? Well according to your little ranking there Felton is squarely at the bottom of the list with an abysmal 0.98 points per shot.

No other PG in the league has a PPS of <1.

Ty Lawson, who is apparently 4th worst in the league, gets 1.08 PPS, which is more than 10% more efficient than Ray.

No PG in the league comes close to Ray's abysmal efficiency. Not even close.

Not my ranking, it was actually a published list.

Those guys are all at the bottom, but here's the kicker....

The Knicks are winning despite Felton poor shooting.

Worst shooting yet best record out of all of them, go figure.

[NY2k1]

How realistic is it that we end up with CP3 in the future?

Pipe dream I know, but I can dream.

[JDs_loot]

Since we're harping on felton shooting I think a little perspective should be taken......

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards/order/false

Here are the guys at the near bottom in points per shot as pg's.

Felton, Vasquez, Jennings, Lawson, Holiday, Lin, Teague

Near the bottom? Well according to your little ranking there Felton is squarely at the bottom of the list with an abysmal 0.98 points per shot.

No other PG in the league has a PPS of <1.

Ty Lawson, who is apparently 4th worst in the league, gets 1.08 PPS, which is more than 10% more efficient than Ray.

No PG in the league comes close to Ray's abysmal efficiency. Not even close.

No PG in the league is getting their team's center more dunks than Ray Ray.

[E86]

He's not the best, but he has heart. And he knows how to make our bigs useful in the offense. Can't have an all-star at every position, guys. Felton has taken over games in the fourth this season and willed us to victory. Going through a slump, I'm sure he'll bounce back once he gets healthy. And he's a bargain.

[thebuzzardman]

The Knicks board. Land of short memories.


Does no one remember Ray did stuff like this in his first "Great Knicks run?"

Ray is a streaky shooter. He's got a very good first step, where I'd bet 90% of NBA PG"s can't stay in front of him, but most PG"s can't guard each other in the "post hand check era". But he's above average there. He's capable of heating up and being a very viable 2nd option, but not all the time. He's an average floor general, but very above average in running the P&R (gee, what do teh Knicks PF and C like to do...) He's clutch, most of the time, has a competitors heart and is average on defense. He's not a "vision" PG like a Kidd, or Rubio or Rondo now or currently, at the lower end of the scale, Lin, who may move up that chart. I've said before, he's a scoring PG but one who MOSTLY doesn't selfishly look for his own shot, but will. ALL PG's that are decent have to be a threat at least to be effective. Felton sort of splits the different between Marbury and Lin, to bring up a couple of polarizing Knick PG's, in terms of style of play.

You know what Felton would be if he was a more reliable shooter? Not a Knick. Cause someone would have offered him 8 to 10 million per year, especially if he didn't look like a tub of crap in Portland, which we know has something to do with the lockout.

complain all you want. Make up dozens of "Felton sucks, trade felton threads." this is who he is. He'll win games, compete and go through 10 game stretches where you tear out your hair. Stay tuned.

[JDs_loot]

He's not the best, but he has heart. And he knows how to make our bigs useful in the offense. Can't have an all-star at every position, guys. Felton has taken over games in the fourth this season and willed us to victory. Going through a slump, I'm sure he'll bounce back once he gets healthy. And he's a bargain.

+1

I think at 4 mill a year he has to be considered one of the best non rookie contracts in the league.

[Thugger HBC]

He's not the best, but he has heart. And he knows how to make our bigs useful in the offense. Can't have an all-star at every position, guys. Felton has taken over games in the fourth this season and willed us to victory. Going through a slump, I'm sure he'll bounce back once he gets healthy. And he's a bargain.

+1

I think at 4 mill a year he has to be considered one of the best non rookie contracts in the league.

Yup, better than paying twice as much and in some cases triple for a 10% individual improvement as someone brilliantly mentioned.

[JustaKnickFan]

He's also incredibly durable. A trait that us Knicks fans are becoming to value more and more as these injuries pile up.