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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#141 » by Butch718 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:51 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Lin has a great game....it will be all over the thread.

Lin has a bad game...it will be all over the thread.

No matter if he has a bad game or not.....there will be the post dissing either side.

My take.....As long as it stays in here....IDGAF.

I loved Lin here and wish him well, but three bi-polar views make it hard to even read the comments and enjoy the perspective.


This.

You have the irrational Lin haters that love to bring up and poke fun at every poor performance he has. It's like they take joy in watching him fail.

Than you have the Lin nut-huggers that come out of the woodworks whenever Lin has a good performance or whenever Felton has a poor one. Most of them refuse to let it go. It's as if they haven't accepted the reality that he's no longer a Knick.

I'm like you, I was majorly disappointed when Lin left. But eventually I moved on. Right now, we have a team that has the potential to make a playoff run in a weak Eastern Conference. That's all I care about.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#142 » by Bill Bradley » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:52 am

21shumpshumpst wrote:It is not about hating it is about being realistic. Is the kid a straigh up scrub? No. He is a serviceable pg.

The problem I have is that these Lin homers were the same ones who were dissing the Knicks all off season about how we gave up our only chance at a title now that the mighty lin is gone. How we were old. How Felton was fat. How Melo was overrated. How this team would amount to nothing.

Now that they have been proven wrong they still are on this board talking up their bs. Where were they when Lin was having abysmal games to begin the season? Oh yeah nowhere.


Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#143 » by postcall » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:47 am

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21shumpshumpst wrote:It is not about hating it is about being realistic. Is the kid a straigh up scrub? No. He is a serviceable pg.

The problem I have is that these Lin homers were the same ones who were dissing the Knicks all off season about how we gave up our only chance at a title now that the mighty lin is gone. How we were old. How Felton was fat. How Melo was overrated. How this team would amount to nothing.

Now that they have been proven wrong they still are on this board talking up their bs. Where were they when Lin was having abysmal games to begin the season? Oh yeah nowhere.


Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.


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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#144 » by 21shumpshumpst » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:04 am

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21shumpshumpst wrote:It is not about hating it is about being realistic. Is the kid a straigh up scrub? No. He is a serviceable pg.

The problem I have is that these Lin homers were the same ones who were dissing the Knicks all off season about how we gave up our only chance at a title now that the mighty lin is gone. How we were old. How Felton was fat. How Melo was overrated. How this team would amount to nothing.

Now that they have been proven wrong they still are on this board talking up their bs. Where were they when Lin was having abysmal games to begin the season? Oh yeah nowhere.


Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.


Cope out at its finest. Since he is not a Knick, you can say Lin would have averaged 20/10/10 as a Knick with this team, and since we will never know no one can prove you wrong. If you think I am going to fall for that you are a bigger moron that I thought.

Here is one. If Harden had never been traded to the Rockets. Lin would have been the focus of the defenses of other teams and would have averaged 2pts, 2rbs, 2asts and 10 TOs. I contend that. And since we Harden did get traded to the Rockets, is the 1st option and the focus of other team's defenses, since we will never know, I haven't been nor will I ever be proven wrong. See how that works both ways?

Now to get back to reality. Felton has bone bruises in both hands which is when his play went into a downward trajectory. He can't handle, pass or shoot the ball correctly. Bone bruises affect your range of motion in your hands.

But of course in your little pea brain you don't look at the big picture. You just say "oh Felton is in a downward trajectory" and forget to include his injuries in BOTH hands. Yet when Lin was playing bad there was every ridiculous excuse in the book. (he is not 100% yet, its the coach, its his teammates, its the sun, its the high tide, its the color of the uniforms, its the guy on row 13 section 34 who is eating his popcorn to loud)

I just can't stand it when players who have proven nothing get overrated by unintelligent posters who try to make idiotic arguments. Maybe that works with the low IQ folks you know but not here.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#145 » by Bill Bradley » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:25 am

21shumpshumpst wrote:
Cope out at its finest. Since he is not a Knick, you can say Lin would have averaged 20/10/10 as a Knick with this team, and since we will never know no one can prove you wrong. If you think I am going to fall for that you are a bigger moron that I thought.

Here is one. If Harden had never been traded to the Rockets. Lin would have been the focus of the defenses of other teams and would have averaged 2pts, 2rbs, 2asts and 10 TOs. I contend that. And since we Harden did get traded to the Rockets, is the 1st option and the focus of other team's defenses, since we will never know, I haven't been nor will I ever be proven wrong. See how that works both ways?


You are too dumb to realize that you are arguing against yourself now. In your last post you were talking about how the doubters were proven wrong about Lin and the Knicks. My point was that nothing was proven and that we don't know what would have happened. Get it? I doubt it.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#146 » by 21shumpshumpst » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:05 am

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21shumpshumpst wrote:
Cope out at its finest. Since he is not a Knick, you can say Lin would have averaged 20/10/10 as a Knick with this team, and since we will never know no one can prove you wrong. If you think I am going to fall for that you are a bigger moron that I thought.

Here is one. If Harden had never been traded to the Rockets. Lin would have been the focus of the defenses of other teams and would have averaged 2pts, 2rbs, 2asts and 10 TOs. I contend that. And since we Harden did get traded to the Rockets, is the 1st option and the focus of other team's defenses, since we will never know, I haven't been nor will I ever be proven wrong. See how that works both ways?


You are too dumb to realize that you are arguing against yourself now. In your last post you were talking about how the doubters were proven wrong about Lin and the Knicks. My point was that nothing was proven and that we don't know what would have happened. Get it? I doubt it.


Are you really that dumb. That was exactly my point. That really went over your head didn't it?
The whole point of my last post, which I should have known would be above your reading comprehension, is that you think you can just come here with our little "I don't have to eat crow about Lin's bad play because look I can never be proven wrong that Lin would have excelled with this Knicks team this year and took them to a championship. You can never dispprove me because zomg he is not on the Knicks. "

My whole example. Which again you failed to comprehend is to show you how moronic that argument is. Because it can be used with anything. As i did with harden. Get it now? I doubt it.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#147 » by Kooz » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:11 am

I'm I the only person that does not fear the Celtics at all this season?
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Post#148 » by 21shumpshumpst » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:15 am

Kooz wrote:I'm I the only person that does not fear the Celtics at all this season?

I am on the same boat with you. Their frontcourt is abysmal. Their bench is as well. All the people who they signed are not playing well.

I don't fear them at all to be honest. I hope somehow they face the Bulls in the playoffs. They beat each other up and we get the scraps.
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Post#149 » by fdr2012 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:51 am

bigbreakfast wrote:Because he's the first and only Asian American player in the NBA in this era. I've been a fan of him since his Harvard days. Growing up as an Asian American basketball player I didn't even have a player to be compared to on the court, if I make a nice play ppl would say "oooh Jackie Chan!" or "Jet Li!" Now ppl say "Jeremy Lin." Not that he's great, but at least he's a basketball player :lol:

For better or worse, he's a role model and someone to look up to for many, that's why he's important to me and alot of posters. He might not be to you, that's okay, I'm just not sure why people like you go out of their way to criticize someone's popularity.


I love the story. I can appreciate the race angle and the role model angle, but basketball wise, he's not a meaningful player in this league.

He seems like a likable person and I love the Harvard background, but I would not want him as a starting PG on my team because of his ball handling and defense.
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Post#150 » by fdr2012 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:53 am

sirdeadcat wrote:so 12/6 on 42% shooting is terrible and gets you out of the league these days? Good to know.


12/6 on 42% shooting with terrible defense and suspect ball handling could get you out of this league. I really think he's not going to be in the NBA long-term.
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Post#151 » by fdr2012 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:58 am

Bill Bradley wrote:Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.


12/6 on 42% shooting and that an upward trajectory? LOL. I would hate to know where you think he started from if that's an "upward trajectory".

Felton is in a shooting slump, but he can always get you the ball past half court and he can play above average defense. Lin can do neither and that's why saying the Knicks would be better with him is completely laughable and baseless.

I don't think you understand what a point guard is. You're making joke of yourself with these ridiculous statements.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#152 » by postcall » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:05 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
Bill Bradley wrote:Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.


12/6 on 42% shooting and that an upward trajectory? LOL. I would hate to know where you think he started from if that's an "upward trajectory".

Felton is in a shooting slump, but he can always get you the ball past half court and he can play above average defense. Lin can do neither and that's why saying the Knicks would be better with him is completely laughable and baseless.

I don't think you understand what a point guard is. You're making joke of yourself with these ridiculous statements.


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Re: Around the NBA part 2 

Post#153 » by Bill Bradley » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:59 pm

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Bill Bradley wrote:Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.


12/6 on 42% shooting and that an upward trajectory? LOL. I would hate to know where you think he started from if that's an "upward trajectory".

Felton is in a shooting slump, but he can always get you the ball past half court and he can play above average defense. Lin can do neither and that's why saying the Knicks would be better with him is completely laughable and baseless.

I don't think you understand what a point guard is. You're making joke of yourself with these ridiculous statements.


By "upward trajectory" I'm referring to his recent games.

SPLITS GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPGPFPG PPG
Last 10 Games 10 31.7 .509 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.5 2.8 15.0

On good defense. Not going to debate your other false claims. Watch the games.
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Post#154 » by Bruteque » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:17 pm

I have watched 20 of the 28 Rockets games on LP this season, and I can safely say that their inconsistency is easily 80% coaching inexperience and 20% player inexperience.

The Rockets play in one of two modes:

1) The Easy Way Mode: They are committed to starting the offense setting picks for Lin the entire game. This leads to easy baskets for everybody, easy drives for Harden, easy lay-ins for the bigs, easy 3s for wings, and no easy buckets in transition for the opponents. They look like an unstoppable juggernaut when they are in this mode.

2) The Hard Way Mode: Asik fumbles a couple of passes early in PnR action and the coaching staff immediately makes the kneejerk adjustment to set few screens and play iso ball. When those coaching tards go iso, they really go iso. They don't just iso Harden, they iso Lin, iso Parsons, iso Morris, iso Delfino, iso Toney stinking Douglas, and that's when the Rockets turns the ball over and gives up 30 easy transition points to their opponents and they look young and mediocre.

It was just unfortunate that the Knicks caught them in the easy way mode. When they are in the hard way mode, which is well over half the time, that's when they lose to the Craptors and almost lose to the Timberpuppies.
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Post#155 » by Capn'O » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:47 pm

Bill Bradley wrote: My point was that nothing was proven and that we don't know what would have happened. Get it? I doubt it.


It has been proven. There is an alternate universe where the Knicks are playing with the same team only with Lin and they're only 16-13. You just can't see it.
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21shumpshumpst wrote:
Kooz wrote:I'm I the only person that does not fear the Celtics at all this season?

I am on the same boat with you. Their frontcourt is abysmal. Their bench is as well. All the people who they signed are not playing well.

I don't fear them at all to be honest. I hope somehow they face the Bulls in the playoffs. They beat each other up and we get the scraps.


Do not want Bulls. Heat can have Bulls.
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Post#157 » by 21shumpshumpst » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:51 pm

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Bill Bradley wrote: My point was that nothing was proven and that we don't know what would have happened. Get it? I doubt it.


It has been proven. There is an alternate universe where the Knicks are playing with the same team only with Lin and they're only 16-13. You just can't see it.


He is too dumb to figure out posts. I basically called him out on it and he didnt get it. Don't waste your time.
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21shumpshumpst wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Bill Bradley wrote: My point was that nothing was proven and that we don't know what would have happened. Get it? I doubt it.


It has been proven. There is an alternate universe where the Knicks are playing with the same team only with Lin and they're only 16-13. You just can't see it.


He is too dumb to figure out posts. I basically called him out on it and he didnt get it. Don't waste your time.


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Post#159 » by 21shumpshumpst » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:57 pm

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Kooz wrote:I'm I the only person that does not fear the Celtics at all this season?

I am on the same boat with you. Their frontcourt is abysmal. Their bench is as well. All the people who they signed are not playing well.

I don't fear them at all to be honest. I hope somehow they face the Bulls in the playoffs. They beat each other up and we get the scraps.


Do not want Bulls. Heat can have Bulls.

Same here bulls scare me and I hate admitting that.
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Post#160 » by kane » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:23 pm

yeah bulls with a healthy rose are going to be a giant roadblock for us this year we ether need to hope to dodge them and have the heat take them out or hope to god woodson can figure out how to get amare/melo/tyson on the same page

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