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Post#21 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:23 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Guys, I understand we're looking for positives. But does winning 35 games really make us better for the future?

I want this franchise to compete to win a championship and we need individuals in the front office who are set out to win, not just tickle fans with feel good end of the season runs, botched lottery picks, and squandering cap room.

I agree they did good by Mack and Temple has played well so far... but we still can't forget we need a new direction in the organization and that direction has to believe we can win. Belief is a powerful thing that sets the foundation for a franchise and unfortunately we haven't had anyone in this franchise believe we can win a title in about 30 years.


Winning 32 game keeps them in the lottery and winning breads winning. If you are in the lottery, you can get a top 3. If you don't, you make a deal using players or future picks.

If they can win in low 30s this year, then they were really a .500 without additional moves and health of Wall and Nene. We are talking about the additional moves that could get them into the .600 and higher range.

The cap penalties are going to start hitting harder and harder that that is pressure at the top. This team needs to win so it can get some of money that this big market has to offer. Then they can go over the cap as well.

Very very few team ever win anything with young players. Look at the top 6 teams in the league.

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Post#22 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:26 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Guys, I understand we're looking for positives. But does winning 35 games really make us better for the future?

I want this franchise to compete to win a championship and we need individuals in the front office who are set out to win, not just tickle fans with feel good end of the season runs, botched lottery picks, and squandering cap room.

I agree they did good by Mack and Temple has played well so far... but we still can't forget we need a new direction in the organization and that direction has to believe we can win. Belief is a powerful thing that sets the foundation for a franchise and unfortunately we haven't had anyone in this franchise believe we can win a title in about 30 years.


That is a real good question, FAH1223. In game threads I'm all in for the tank whenever the Wizards lose. Having the top pick in theory gets them Shabazz Muhammed, who is a decent bet to be a superstar one day. So, why win 35 games and get a mediocre pick?

Remember, the draft is not the only way to build a team.

If the Wizards were to win 35 games, Nene, Crawford, Okafor and Ariza (both expiring), and likely Seraphin will all have raised trade value. It is still possible to get a star in the middle of round one or the late lottery. Real improvement could come from trading Okafor and/or Ariza next season, when they're deals expire. So, the Wizard can win now and still not ruin their future IMO.
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Post#23 » by FAH1223 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:22 pm

Hands and CCJ,

I completely get where your coming from. However, I have zero faith in Grunfeld and the front office at this point to competently build this team into a winner. I'm beating a dead horse, but they have had 10 years to do this right about 3 times over. Leonsis has to hire a guy who believes in winning and a guy who can sell Leonsis on winning. Leonsis right now doesn't even believe he can get a free agent or pull a trade for a star. I mean, that kind of defeatism just screams of Grunfeld telling him that over and over. Ted will pony up $$ if it means wins and that's the one thing you can solidly take away from the Capitals.

Its just unrealistic to expect this to turn around anytime soon with the same cast of characters in charge which is why I'm pushing for the tank so they can all be fired. It really is the only way to change the trajectory of the franchise. Shabazz Muhammad would be icing on the cake with a new GM and a new HC.

I grew up in the 1990s so all I have seen was our Bullets lose to MJ in 3 games in the 1997 playoffs, C-Webb get traded for a past his prime Ritchmond, Michael Jordan's return with questionable moves, 4 straight playoff appearances with no chance out of the 2nd round, and now 5 straight years of being in the lottery. Unseld was horrific, Grunfeld has been bad. I understand the league is star driven, I get that. But I also know that its possible to build a winner and we can't just say we been unlucky this whole time. Incompetence has to be punished and standards have to be risen.
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Post#24 » by barelyawake » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:42 am

I've said it a million times and ill say it again, our squad was built around a star PG slashing and distributing. Most of our players can't create their own shot. They need a guy pulling a double. We are better than our record suggests.

I also have been saying for awhile that Cousins will more likely than not demand a trade somewhere. I believe our front office anticipated this a good year ago, as I did. That was one of the factors in trading for expiring contracts.

Next year, we will have the foundation for the best team we have seen in decades.
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Post#25 » by hands11 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:46 am

barelyawake wrote:I've said it a million times and ill say it again, our squad was built around a star PG slashing and distributing. Most of our players can't create their own shot. They need a guy pulling a double. We are better than our record suggests.

I also have been saying for awhile that Cousins will more likely than not demand a trade somewhere. I believe our front office anticipated this a good year ago, as I did. That was one of the factors in trading for expiring contracts.

Next year, we will have the foundation for the best team we have seen in decades.


So we have 3 people who believe it can be done. Do I hear 4 ?

They will clearly need to monitor the situation as it develops. If Nene isn't the Nene we have been seeing, everything changes. But for now, I believe Nene can do it and with a summer off the rest, he will come back even better. If that is true, they can do it now.

Lots will depend on Wall. We know what he was at the end of last year. If he can bring that and a better shot, that two solid pieces and they have compliment pieces already in place. From there, making the right moves to add more can snow ball be it AJ for Booker or MWP for Trevor A. These are not impossible deals to pull off. And none of that sells out the future.

I think this all looks a ton better with Wall out there and a 3 ball shooter. As I posted before, even a DSleez would open things up. If they could land a JJR level player, all the better. Martin is killing then right now which is why I wanted at least Mason.
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Post#26 » by FAH1223 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:40 am

Vesley is scared to shoot, that is too much of a liability to have on the floor. He has OPEN shots when he touches the ball.
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Post#27 » by Nivek » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:09 am

I agree with Zards about Temple. He was one of the better rated PGs in D-League (according to my stuff anyway), and I like what he's done so far. His efficiency was off the charts good in his first couple games -- not as good against the Bulls. Given his previous NBA experience, that probably won't continue, BUT he's done well so far.
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Post#29 » by Jay81 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:40 am

I love how a point guard from D league can get called up and become our starter in 2 games!!
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Post#30 » by montestewart » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:01 am


That's D-League. When Cartier Martin played D-League, he shot .431% from the 3, which would rank him 11th in the current D-League. It's a little harder to get off a shot in the NBA, hence career .373, currently .380 in the NBA. Lacking evidence to the contrary, Martin's shooting is OK, he shoots about as well as he was expected to shoot, and his shooting is about 63rd on the list of Wizards problems.

Not to worry, I saw the Wizards just called up a .400 shooter (Mack) and a .360 shooter (Temple). Soon, a rain of threes will reign supreme:

Mack
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Post#31 » by gambitx777 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:22 am

well number one. our front office is inconsistent. they will make some solid moves, then some times they just derp big time. okafur and ariza were mistakes. sure there solid but we would have been better off going after some free agents. i have no problem bring player up from the D league but that won't turn this ship around. i mean put Jordan Crawford in the D league as he is now and he would probably light it up. my main problem is that, why have we not sent jan down to the D league. He needs development and hes not getting it here. send him down so he can build his confidence. that way if we call him back up he can either play his way in to some trade value or at least make him self useful to us.

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