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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#21 » by bkseven » Sun Jan 6, 2013 1:35 am

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Pharaoh wrote:Being swept could ruin things though - the psychological effects of being waxed can't be calculated right now.

I don't understand the thought process of "we need to make the playoofs/win games so our guys don't develop losing habits"

What are losing habits?

"Losing habits exist in organisations that permit a "losing culture"... in organisations that allow players to set the standard, in organisations where there isn't a strong voice or an authority figure that demands a set standard regardless of age, playoff experience, talent level etc

With us Gores and his boys set the standard... then Joe and his office crew... then Frank and his staff... the players are employees paid to deliver a certain standard... and wins and losses have absolutely nothing to do with the standards that should be acceptable in the organisation

As it was pointed out in both the New York Times and Sports Illustrated, the Spurs rely on 19th-century social reformer Jacob Riis, who came up with the Stonecutter Credo, which states: "When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock, perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before


"Losing habits" and a "losing culture" start at the top of any organisation... "winning habits" or a "winning culture" is all about work ethic... and knowing that while you might not be getting the results you want right now the PROCESS is correct... follow the process and good things will happen


I don't think there are habits that come from losing. However, winning can create a domino effect. A winning team gains more confidence and recognizes the fruits of their labor. IMO they'll be more inclined to work even harder in the off season because they realize they have the talent to get better and that putting in the work actually has tangible benefits. No matter how much of a professional you are, following a blind process can hurt morale. Corporations have already figured that out. Forty years ago, promotions were far and in between and retirement packages were defined benefit plans (pensions). Today, young employees are promoted ever 2-3 years, with contribution benefit plans and their productivity has increased ten fold. Its human nature to desire tangible benefits for your work and if the team doesn't see that, their motivation to abide by the coaches ways deteriorates. A winning culture taps into a team's potential.

On a side note, I don't think NY or Miami sweeps anyways. Neither team matches up particularly well with a big front court and both teams will struggle with quick guards.

yeah, all-star draft picks and trades don't make a team better. it's the domino effect of already being a winning team.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#22 » by vic » Sun Jan 6, 2013 3:55 am

Even if we pass Orlando and Philly, I doubt we pass up Boston, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn. I think their draft pick is safe...

We'll probably end up with a 12-14 pick

MCW or Trey Burke could be available. Or CJ McCollum. Or even Tony Mitchell if people stay asleep. I doubt Otto, Mclemore, or Shabazz will be in their range
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#23 » by retrolenny » Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:50 am

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retrolenny wrote:Some day someone is going to have to post the "Jim Mora" comments. I must have been day dreaming when that occurred. The joke is WAY over my head!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE[/youtube]

Jim Mora after Peyton had a terrible game.

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Honestly, I'm hoping we do make the playoffs. I'm sick of losing and the draft looks weak for our needs where we would be picking. Let's give the Cats our pick now and Gores can buy a pick this year if there is a prospect we want. Boston might be done and the Sixers are unimpressive. Last year Boston almost blew it up and traded Pierce to the Blazers. This year I think he pulls a big trade to get picks/prospects to the chagrin of KG. It'll be great experience for the young guys even if they swept.



LOL!!! Thanks for that:) With regards to my post, I certainly do not find that 39-41 games is out of the realm of possibilities. Franks teams do well as the season progresses. We seem to have found chemistry with our bench, the hardest part of our season is behind us, and most importantly, the Eastern Conference sucks.. 36 or 37 wins should be good enough for the 8th seed.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#24 » by OneBadMutha » Sun Jan 6, 2013 6:40 am

If Detroit didn't trade the pick outside the lottery, this would be easy. There's not a lot of difference in terms of the talent that'll be available at a #10 pick vs #15. This isn't a top heavy draft but there will be solid NBA contributors throughout. But getting no pick vs top 10 pick does seem like a pretty big deal.

I for one still root for them game by game but wouldn't be sad about them just barely missing the playoffs after making a good push.

I am done with the total tanking though. I think playing all these teams tough and fighting games till the end is good for their development. The development within should take precedent. I'd just like to see both that development up to the edge of keeping the pick.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#25 » by mercury » Sun Jan 6, 2013 7:42 am

The lotto pick this year is a key component... next year we could be in the 15-20 range... USA Today did a thing a few years back on the % of picks being successful... 1)Stars 2)Role Players 3)Minimal contributors or out of the league... it overwhelmingly favors top 10 picks.
Say what you want about not tanking but in the back of your mind you know how important this pick is (vs handing it over to the Cats).
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#26 » by Pharaoh » Sun Jan 6, 2013 9:35 am

Tanking is losing on purpose - no one should want that

Instead we should want to lose the right way... by playing our youth big minutes in order to develop them for next season and beyond.

IF Nova, Bynum, Maxiell and Maggette are not going to be here next season why play them significant minutes? Because they deserve them or have earned them? Well sorry boys but we have other plans moving forward and while we appreciate your contributions there isn't a place for you here next season!

I realise we are forced to play some people due to injuries (Bynum) but there is no reason to play Maggette or Maxiell or Nova big minutes.

Drummond 30/Slava 18
Monroe 32/Jerebko 16
Prince 24/Daye 24/
Singler 24/Stuckey 10/English 18
Knight 32/Stuckey 16

That's it... no Maxiell, no Nova, no Bynum, no Maggette (no Middleton either but such is life)

Moving forward we need to know if Jerebko can play as a hustle player at the 4 spot. We need to know what, if anything Slava can bring to the team on the floor. We also need to know if Daye and English can do much of anything long term.

IF we lose answering those questions then such is life! We're developing/discovering things that will help us long term...
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#27 » by princeofpalace » Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:06 pm

vic wrote:Even if we pass Orlando and Philly, I doubt we pass up Boston, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn. I think their draft pick is safe...

We'll probably end up with a 12-14 pick


MCW or Trey Burke could be available. Or CJ McCollum. Or even Tony Mitchell if people stay asleep. I doubt Otto, Mclemore, or Shabazz will be in their range


We wont finish with a better record than the Western Conference lottery teams- Utah, Lakers, Dallas, so I dont see any way we get the 12-14 pick. 11th at worst, IMO.

And, I personally, am tired of the losing, but that doesnt mean that I see making the playoffs as a realistic goal, we dug ourselves into a tremendous whole to start the season and its not likely that we can dig our way out. In the Eastern Conference Boston is sitting at #8- they are a team that comes alive towards the playoffs and in the playoffs so expecting them to play at the level that they are now isnt realistic. We are better than the bottom barrell teams but not quite as good as the playoff teams.

Now, if suddenly Monroe turns into the 20/10/3 guy we all thought he would be the season, if Drummond starts, Daye keeps up his level of play, etc.. and we make an insane push- Id love to make the playoffs- but I don't think thats realistic.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#28 » by Jodi » Sun Jan 6, 2013 5:47 pm

We're 3 games outside the playoffs...
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Post#29 » by vege » Sun Jan 6, 2013 10:43 pm

never mind this team is a complete joke.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#30 » by ComboGuardCity » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:16 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
vic wrote:Even if we pass Orlando and Philly, I doubt we pass up Boston, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn. I think their draft pick is safe...

We'll probably end up with a 12-14 pick


MCW or Trey Burke could be available. Or CJ McCollum. Or even Tony Mitchell if people stay asleep. I doubt Otto, Mclemore, or Shabazz will be in their range


We wont finish with a better record than the Western Conference lottery teams- Utah, Lakers, Dallas, so I dont see any way we get the 12-14 pick. 11th at worst, IMO.

This is so true. The thing about being #9 in the East is that it usually means you still pick 9-11.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#31 » by retrolenny » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:08 am

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princeofpalace wrote:
vic wrote:Even if we pass Orlando and Philly, I doubt we pass up Boston, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn. I think their draft pick is safe...

We'll probably end up with a 12-14 pick


MCW or Trey Burke could be available. Or CJ McCollum. Or even Tony Mitchell if people stay asleep. I doubt Otto, Mclemore, or Shabazz will be in their range


We wont finish with a better record than the Western Conference lottery teams- Utah, Lakers, Dallas, so I dont see any way we get the 12-14 pick. 11th at worst, IMO.

This is so true. The thing about being #9 in the East is that it usually means you still pick 9-11.


I can't possibly be alone in thinking that Detroit will continue to surge while teams like BOS, PHI & ORL continue to collapse. Also, I'm not convinced that BRK will continue to perform. There is a little too much drama with that team. Fired coach and an entitled guard in Williams. Williams is becoming a cancer despite the talent he is.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#32 » by Snakebites » Mon Jan 7, 2013 1:03 am

^We've had stretches where we looked nice in each of the last couple of seasons where it feels like we can do more.

The skepticism you're meeting is probably a result of that.
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Re: Playoffs!! 

Post#33 » by Goldtop » Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:32 am

BOS, PHI, and BKN are all sketchy to make the playoffs imo. And I'm not sold on MIL either. Even with tonights loss I still think we trending upward and can push for that 8 seed. Just had an off night. Hard to win all 5 of a 5 game homestand no matter who you play.
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Post#34 » by retrolenny » Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:39 am

Goldtop wrote:BOS, PHI, and BKN are all sketchy to make the playoffs imo. And I'm not sold on MIL either. Even with tonights loss I still think we trending upward and can push for that 8 seed. Just had an off night. Hard to win all 5 of a 5 game homestand no matter who you play.


I agree.. Today we had a tough loss but our bench still scored 42 pts. Frank needs to end the Singler experiment and allow Stuck to start. Also, Daye needs to play 20+ min per game. We have until the end of this season to see if he deserves his players option. Huge mismanagement by Frank.

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