Around the NBA part 3

[ibraheim718]

none of this is to defend lin. i've seen every rockets game this season and lin has been a fringe nba starting pg. the rockets will need to upgrade their PG position if they want to build a contender around harden. sorry lin fans, lin just isn't cutting it. so no, this post isn't to defend lin, it's more to defend synergy.

There is of course the extremely rare chance a 2nd year player gets better in years 3, 4, and 5.

[fdr2012]

There is of course the extremely rare chance a 2nd year player gets better in years 3, 4, and 5.

And what makes you believe his 3rd year will be better? His 2nd year is clearly not better than his 1st. So what kind of magic will happen next year?

[ibraheim718]

There is of course the extremely rare chance a 2nd year player gets better in years 3, 4, and 5.

And what makes you believe his 3rd year will be better? His 2nd year is clearly not better than his 1st. So what kind of magic will happen next year?

Because I've seen dozens upon dozens of players do it in the 28 years I've been watching basketball.

A player doesn't need magic to get better.. just some hard work and the pliability to be coached.

What is he the only 24 year old who is incapable of getting better?

[fdr2012]

There is of course the extremely rare chance a 2nd year player gets better in years 3, 4, and 5.

And what makes you believe his 3rd year will be better? His 2nd year is clearly not better than his 1st. So what kind of magic will happen next year?

Because I've seen dozens upon dozens of players do it in the 28 years I've been watching basketball.

A player doesn't need magic to get better.. just some hard work and the pliability to be coached.

What is he the only 24 year old who is incapable of getting better?

Just like Gallo got better? Lin is what he is. He's a 12/6 guy and he'll never be anything more than that.

[Lord Commander]

These degenenerate Boston fans are the absolute worst.

[j4remi]

There is of course the extremely rare chance a 2nd year player gets better in years 3, 4, and 5.

And what makes you believe his 3rd year will be better? His 2nd year is clearly not better than his 1st. So what kind of magic will happen next year?

Because I've seen dozens upon dozens of players do it in the 28 years I've been watching basketball.

A player doesn't need magic to get better.. just some hard work and the pliability to be coached.

What is he the only 24 year old who is incapable of getting better?

Also gotta bare in mind, he was on crutches most of the offseason which would severely handicap his improvement. I honestly read these two posts and assumed you were talking about Lin...I'm right right?

[Quick Kick]

I dont know why but I would knock that chicks walls down EASY and charge it to the game.

By the time a guy hits 24 in the NBA you know whether he is star/superstar matertial or not. Lin may get marginally better but thats about it.

[Thugger HBC]

I dont know why but I would knock that chicks walls down EASY and charge it to the game.

By the time a guy hits 24 in the NBA you know whether he is star/superstar matertial or not. Lin may get marginally better but thats about it.

14/8 is my expectation...and that's not bad at all, it's actually pretty solid, which i do feel he is perfectly suited to become, as he has plenty of time on his side.

But as was with the Gallo-love....the expectation must be 20/10...1st team all nba...perennial all-star.

Lin is just not allowed to be a "good" player, while there is nothing wrong with good.

[Quick Kick]

8apg is kinda high. He doesnt have that kind of floor vision to consistently dole out 8apg unless he plays with Lebron or Kevin Love at some point. Id say 15/6 at his absolute peak, possibly. You have guys here implying hes the next Steve Nash and will average 20/10 in a year. Just ridiculous fanboyish expectations.

[Thugger HBC]

8apg is kinda high. He doesnt have that kind of floor vision to consistently dole out 8apg unless he plays with Lebron or Kevin Love at some point. Id say 15/6 at his absolute peak, possibly. You have guys here implying hes the next Steve Nash and will average 20/10 in a year. Just ridiculous fanboyish expectations.

He can get 8 with no issue imo, just by their pace alone, just need the ball a little more....and turn those 3pt attempts into fakes, with a drive and kick out.

He's getting 6 with the offense primarily being ran by Harden.

20/10 is just delusion, but then again, I've seen this same prophecy in the 30 + years of watching this sport.

It rarely happens with a players that has some good qualities but alot of basketball related flaws.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

The difference between Gallo love and Lin love is that people wanted to keep Gallo over getting Melo. With Lin, we wanted to keep him over getting Felton. Huge difference.

[Quick Kick]

Moral of the story is Knick fans can be an irrational, clingy lot. Either way neither of the two are game-changing players....so there was no need for the civil wars over the last few years.

[Capn'O]

Who is saying 20/10 still? Maybe Gettinitdone? Iirc, before the season I was thinking 15/7 but the Harden trade clouded that a bit.

[Thugger HBC]

The difference between Gallo love and Lin love is that people wanted to keep Gallo over getting Melo. With Lin, we wanted to keep him over getting Felton. Huge difference.

Nope, no one really had a problem with getting Melo they wanted him to go to free agency so we could have kept EVERYTHING, even though that wasn't gonna happen on either account....Gallo was merely a piece that folks highlighted as was gonna grow into a star player, when at best he's a 3rd piece player.

With Lin, there are quite a few that feel Lin will be great, not just solid, and was given away for free, and if he didn't pan out, you can EASILY find someone willing to take a 15 mil expiring contract.

Moral of the story is Knick fans can be an irrational, clingy lot. Either way neither of the two are game-changing players....so there was no need for the civil wars over the last few years.

Should be no dispute here.

[fdr2012]

Who is saying 20/10 still? Maybe Gettinitdone? Iirc, before the season I was thinking 15/7 but the Harden trade clouded that a bit.

Your sig bet implied 14/7 at least, so you were still thinking those kind of numbers way AFTER the Harden trade. The reality is that Lin is a 12/6 player and unless he's the #1 option (which will never happen in this league), he will NEVER be more than that.

You really can't dismiss the numbers as if they are lying. When you do, you end up with someone else's sig.

[Knicker23]

Andrew Bogut said to be starting tonight?

[Capn'O]

There should not be, and should never have been, any player comparison between Melo and Gallo. Melo is a far better player and anyone who has watched dealings in this league should have known that he would be included in any deal for Melo.

Gallo and Chandler are both nice pieces but the #1 thing that Denver got in that move was cap room. The entire team they've built since then is essentially the product of that trade.

That said - there is no need to undersell Gallo to protect Melo and the Knicks' decisions. After a bad start, he's the leading scorer on a good team and has become a fine 2-way player. I don't ever think he could lead a great team but 2nd option isn't that unreasonable to think. He just has to stay healthy which, to date, has really derailed a few of his seasons already.

[Capn'O]

Who is saying 20/10 still? Maybe Gettinitdone? Iirc, before the season I was thinking 15/7 but the Harden trade clouded that a bit.

Your sig bet implied 14/7 at least, so you were still thinking those kind of numbers way AFTER the Harden trade. The reality is that Lin is a 12/6 player and unless he's the #1 option (which will never happen in this league), he will NEVER be more than that.

You really can't dismiss the numbers as if they are lying. When you do, you end up with someone else's sig.

No. The terms of the bet are that each of the three numbers increase AT ALL. It is in writing. If Lin ends up with 12.4 ppg, 6.4 apg, and 43.9% FG% I win. If any of the 3 are below that, you win.

Second - where is this NEVER improving coming from? What universe? Most starting caliber PGs do have increased production over their first few years in the league. Goran Dragic - who this forum roundly accepts as a far superior player- didn't break 10ppg for four or so years. Did he NEVER improve? Did Nash NEVER improve after his first few years?

You are making a basketball call here and trying to back it up with stats.

[Capn'O]

Andrew Bogut said to be starting tonight?

Source? That would be glorious for me. My team needs blocks.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Andrew Bogut said to be starting tonight?

Source? That would be glorious for me. My team needs blocks.

He's playing. Idk what his limits are.