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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1061 » by nate33 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:25 pm

Rafael122 wrote:If Noel tore multiple knee ligaments he ain't getting drafted in the lottery. That gets a GM fired. A team like the Spurs or even Heat could take him and sit him out for the year. Rumors are he tore everything to tearing a patella tendon. If we get the 4th pick and Noel is drafted, Ernie needs to be fired on the spot. There's no guarantee Noel will ever get back to what he once was before this injury.

He'll still go in the lottery, just maybe not in the top 3. He's very young and medical technology is awesome.

Also, I don't think we will be picking 4th. We are sure to catch Cleveland and Phoenix (0.5 and 1 game back respectively) which would put us in 5th place. We are only 2, 2.5, 3.5, 4 and 4.5 game behind New Orleans, Sacramento, New Orleans, Toronto and Detroit respectively. We're probably going to catch a couple of those teams too. And we might get leapfrogged in the draft lottery by a luckier team. I figure we're going to pick somewhere in the 6-10 range unless we're one of the teams that leapfrogs into the top 3.

If Noel is on the board at #7, I'd gladly take him. As luck would have it, we have the front court depth to persevere another season without any help from our draft pick. He can learn from the bench, spend time in the film room, and do light practice workouts with the team while he rehabs. Meanwhile, we give Seraphin and Booker one more year with significant minutes to decide if they're worth resigning.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1062 » by Rafael122 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:33 pm

Team needs talent, Noel is talented, BUT he won't help us year 1. You're picking in the lottery, you're expecting that player to contribute immediately. But that's just me. Dude shredded his knee, it's not like you can rub some tussin on it and it'll magically heal.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1063 » by Halcyon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:36 pm

I would gamble on Noel if we are picking out of the top 5. He's a #1 pick type of talent, it's worth the gamble.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1065 » by Halcyon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:18 pm

McGahee/Livingston esque. Youch...
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Post#1066 » by nate33 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:28 pm

That's gruesome. I sincerely hope it's not as bad as it looks.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1067 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:31 pm

If you look at RG3's hyperextension against Baltimore in slow motion, it looked every bit as bad as that. I'd rather wait for MRI results than speculate on anything.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1068 » by jmrosenth » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:35 pm

I can't recall seeing footage of someone in so much pain from a sports injury. Literally screaming and writhing in pain - hard to watch. Even as an IU fan, my fingers are crossed for the kid.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1069 » by DMVleGeND » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:42 pm

Halcyon wrote:McGahee/Livingston esque. Youch...


Yet McGahee was still a 1st round pick after shredding his knee even though people were saying he'd go in the 3rd round after the injury. The injury did affect his draft stock though, otherwise, he would've been a top 5 pick.
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Post#1070 » by fishercob » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:52 pm

Chad Ford is reporting Noel has a torn ACL and is done for the year.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1071 » by dandrews » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:08 pm

pancakes3 wrote:I don't think he comes out this year. He'll probably pull a Blake Griffin. If that's the case, it'd be a pretty good time to trade with the Bobcats or Suns for their 2014 pick. Between Parker, Wiggins, the Harrison twins, and a bionic Noel, 2014 has some serious can't-miss blue chip talent.

If you're the Bobcats or Suns, why would you trade your 2014 1st round pick?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1072 » by FAH1223 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:14 pm

jmrosenth wrote:I can't recall seeing footage of someone in so much pain from a sports injury. Literally screaming and writhing in pain - hard to watch. Even as an IU fan, my fingers are crossed for the kid.


remember Paul Pierce in the 2008 finals? :lol:

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1073 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:19 pm

fishercob wrote:Chad Ford is reporting Noel has a torn ACL and is done for the year.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kentuckys- ... ncaab.html Yup, torn ACL and apparently nothing else. Normal recovery is 6 - 8 months. So, he could conceivably be ready for opening day next season. Assuming successful surgery, I think he's still the 1st pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1074 » by gesa2 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Rafael122 wrote:...Noel is drafted, Ernie needs to be fired on the spot.


Best case scenario???
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1075 » by Induveca » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:45 pm

If it's only a torn ACL he'll be fine at his age.

Great news, I really liked his game.

Noel should sue the hell out of the NBA however if his career is derailed from this. Their age limit rule wouldn't withstand a case like this. The sure fire #1 being forced to play for free in college, helping Kentucky make millions, and the NBA to have a free farm system.

If there is an age limit, fine.........keep them in the D-League for a year. But pay them.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1076 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:48 pm

Induveca wrote:If it's only a torn ACL he'll be fine at his age.

Great news, I really liked his game.

Noel should sue the hell out of the NBA however if his career is derailed from this. Their age limit rule wouldn't withstand a case like this. The sure fire #1 being forced to play for free in college, helping Kentucky make millions, and the NBA to have a free farm system.

If there is an age limit, fine.........keep them in the D-League for a year. But pay them.



The age limit was collectively bargained. Any suit would be thrown out immediately.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1077 » by nate33 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:49 pm

Induveca wrote:If it's only a torn ACL he'll be fine at his age.

Great news, I really liked his game.

Noel should sue the hell out of the NBA however if his career is derailed from this. Their age limit rule wouldn't withstand a case like this. The sure fire #1 being forced to play for free in college, helping Kentucky make millions, and the NBA to have a free farm system.

If there is an age limit, fine.........keep them in the D-League for a year. But pay them.

My understanding is that the one-year rule is designed to force players to play in a more competitive setting than high school so NBA talent evaluators can have half a chance at evaluating their potential. It doesn't have to be the NBA. It can be in overseas leagues. From the NBA perspective, it makes pretty good sense.

It's Noel's responsibility to take out an insurance policy on himself during that one-year period.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1078 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:58 pm

tontoz wrote:
Induveca wrote:If it's only a torn ACL he'll be fine at his age.

Great news, I really liked his game.

Noel should sue the hell out of the NBA however if his career is derailed from this. Their age limit rule wouldn't withstand a case like this. The sure fire #1 being forced to play for free in college, helping Kentucky make millions, and the NBA to have a free farm system.

If there is an age limit, fine.........keep them in the D-League for a year. But pay them.



The age limit was collectively bargained. Any suit would be thrown out immediately.

I think the way around that is - While you're correct that it's collectively bargained, it's bargained by the players' union - but he wasn't eligible to join the players' union - so effectively he was not represented in the collective bargaining process.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1079 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:00 pm

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Induveca wrote:If it's only a torn ACL he'll be fine at his age.

Great news, I really liked his game.

Noel should sue the hell out of the NBA however if his career is derailed from this. Their age limit rule wouldn't withstand a case like this. The sure fire #1 being forced to play for free in college, helping Kentucky make millions, and the NBA to have a free farm system.

If there is an age limit, fine.........keep them in the D-League for a year. But pay them.

My understanding is that the one-year rule is designed to force players to play in a more competitive setting than high school so NBA talent evaluators can have half a chance at evaluating their potential. It doesn't have to be the NBA. It can be in overseas leagues. From the NBA perspective, it makes pretty good sense.

It's Noel's responsibility to take out an insurance policy on himself during that one-year period.

Yeah, I think that's the NBA and Players' Association defense if it ever went to court. He could have (and may have already done so) gotten an insurance policy.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I 

Post#1080 » by kirubel94 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:08 pm

In this day and age it seems like an ACL injury is a non-issue. A lot of basketball players have come back and return to form from this type of injury(Al Jefferson, Jamal Crawford, Kyle Lowry, David West). Baron Davis actually tore his ACL in college and was drafted 3rd overall and had a great career. This is actually a perfect time for Nerlens to get bigger and put a good amount of upper body muscle, hope he recovers.

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