Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LI "Trade Deadline" Edition)

[BadMofoPimp]

I think that Minny deal is the best one out there. IMO, not a chance we get two 1sts for jj.

So, you think the Devos family intends to pay for Hedo, Harrington, Arenas and Roy's contracts for next year. Players that probably won't even play a game for the Magic. I doubt the Magic take on anymore useless contracts. Even for a mid 1st rounder.

[The Effect]

JJ for Roy and their unprotected 1st.

They were offering those 2 for Timofey Mozgov and got turned down, why would we give them Redick for those?


Dont get me wrong, i want to make a deal with the wolves for their 1st, but think if we have to trade redick, it should be another deal, that way we get 2 new 1st rounders

I think that Minny deal is the best one out there. IMO, not a chance we get two 1sts for jj.

Thats not what i meant by 2 new 1st

1 from minn for the TPE to take roy
1 for trading JJ

[Blue_and_Whte]

As usual nobody knows what flip is happening at the deadline. Boston's trading rondo , then 5 mins later ainge says he isnt shopping him...

[RickB-Orlando]

One of our SGs needs to go to Minny for Roy and a 1st, the other needs to go somewhere else.

JJ is leaving us guys, we're going to get left with nothing.

Someone asked earlier what team could give us a lotto pick for our TPE this year, and it looks like theres one here.

If we can trade redick for a player and a 1st rounder, we should call up minn and take roy/1st off their hands for say ayon or mcrobert and go into full tank mode. We would then have 3 1st rounders next year not to mention all the extra picks over the next few years

Go into full tank mode? We're 22 games under .500, you mean we could actually tank more?

[RickB-Orlando]

As usual nobody knows what flip is happening at the deadline. Boston's trading rondo , then 5 mins later ainge says he isnt shopping him...

Ain't it great? Sorta like Christmas, Independence Day, and April Fools all rolled into one!

[rcklsscognition]

I think that Minny deal is the best one out there. IMO, not a chance we get two 1sts for jj.

So, you think the Devos family intends to pay for Hedo, Harrington, Arenas and Roy's contracts for next year. Players that probably won't even play a game for the Magic. I doubt the Magic take on anymore useless contracts. Even for a mid 1st rounder.

I think it's a good time for Henny to take advantage of Dan's inexperience and make him pay all those contracts while Henny uses them to get picks and start over.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think that Minny deal is the best one out there. IMO, not a chance we get two 1sts for jj.

So, you think the Devos family intends to pay for Hedo, Harrington, Arenas and Roy's contracts for next year. Players that probably won't even play a game for the Magic. I doubt the Magic take on anymore useless contracts. Even for a mid 1st rounder.

I think it's a good time for Henny to take advantage of Dan's inexperience and make him pay all those contracts while Henny uses them to get picks and start over.

Who is Dan?

And, with what money are we paying for all these contracts in a half empty arena with dwindling fans and revenue. I take it you have never run a business before. I can't imagine any business owner on earth paying $40 million to people who are not working for him, plus a coach(SVG).

[Gomagic44]

This is gettin depressing with how few moves have been made. Looks like all those contenders are absolutely sure they have Miami on lock in a series. I suppose if we make no moves, I look forward to seeing other teams make crappy moves.

[rcklsscognition]

Who is Dan?

And, with what money are we paying for all these contracts in a half empty arena with dwindling fans and revenue. I take it you have never run a business before. I can't imagine any business owner on earth paying $40 million to people who are not working for him.

Dan Devos is the ownership front right now, he's the guy you see in all the press conferences with Henny and coach. Orlando's ticket sales haven't dropped as much as it seems, we are still at 94% capacity I think and 14th or 15th in the league in attendance. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct

I do own a business, and have been for 10 years, but I don't think that I was giving business advice, if I was I wouldn't pay the money, but like I said, I think Henny can convince Dan to take the risk if he can get him to buy in that it's worth it.

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

JJ for Roy and their unprotected 1st.

They were offering those 2 for Timofey Mozgov and got turned down, why would we give them Redick for those?


Dont get me wrong, i want to make a deal with the wolves for their 1st, but think if we have to trade redick, it should be another deal, that way we get 2 new 1st rounders

I don't know whats more surprising that they offered that or that it was turned down. Maybe Denver just doesn't want to pay Roy? We would do it because why the hell not, we aren't competing for a title this year, Denver IS.

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

JJ for Roy and their unprotected 1st.

They were offering those 2 for Timofey Mozgov and got turned down, why would we give them Redick for those?


Dont get me wrong, i want to make a deal with the wolves for their 1st, but think if we have to trade redick, it should be another deal, that way we get 2 new 1st rounders

I don't know whats more surprising that they offered that or that it was turned down. Maybe Denver just doesn't want to pay Roy? We would do it because why the hell not, we aren't competing for a title this year, Denver IS.

Wait, were they offering the pick Memphis owes them?

[BadMofoPimp]

Who is Dan?

And, with what money are we paying for all these contracts in a half empty arena with dwindling fans and revenue. I take it you have never run a business before. I can't imagine any business owner on earth paying $40 million to people who are not working for him.

Dan Devos is the ownership front right now, he's the guy you see in all the press conferences with Henny and coach. Orlando's ticket sales haven't dropped as much as it seems, we are still at 94% capacity I think and 14th or 15th in the league in attendance. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct

I do own a business, and have been for 10 years, but I don't think that I was giving business advice, if I was I wouldn't pay the money, but like I said, I think Henny can convince Dan to take the risk if he can get him to buy in that it's worth it.

No insult intended. I am sure Henny could convince Dan to pay for a top 5 pick, but paying big bucks for picks that will end up around 11-30 is just not worth it. Remember, the Lottery is still a lottery. Devos isn't much of a gambler. And, $40 million is still $40 million.

As far as ticket sales, seeing a half empty arena is misleading. Because, I don't believe in those sales statistics. Because, there was some conspiracy a year ago with another team that said around 2-3k people showed up to the game while the team stated that 10k people showed up. It sure seems so to me!

[rcklsscognition]

I am a risk taker, but it's still a lot easier to spend someone else's money than my own. I think if Henny laid out some sort of plan, like we'll risk losing JJ for the potential of this 1st rounder becoming XYZ player, he might be able to convince Dan to do it and take on more money. It all depends on what $ value Henny places on a draft pick I guess. Maybe we'll find out today/tomorrow.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am a risk taker, but it's still a lot easier to spend someone else's money than my own. I think if Henny laid out some sort of plan, like we'll risk losing JJ for the potential of this 1st rounder becoming XYZ player, he might be able to convince Dan to do it and take on more money. It all depends on what $ value Henny places on a draft pick I guess. Maybe we'll find out today/tomorrow.

With your personal business, would you gamble this way? Would you pay 70% of your bills for things you don't use just for a very slim chance that you will get a return. Because, more than half the players taken in the actual lottery part of the draft end up being bench players. Then, maybe only (1) or (2) out of every draft end up All-Stars. Thus, you are looking at maybe 10% chance of getting a player that can make a difference. Otherwise, you are looking at players that may help you to .500.

I see no reasonable reason to tack on more salary for a mid round pick. If it was top 5, hell yeah! Otherwise, hell no.

[gp123]

My sources tell me, that waiting for the first domino to fall really sucks.

[Gomagic44]

Don't give me away man!

[trebone]

I am a risk taker, but it's still a lot easier to spend someone else's money than my own. I think if Henny laid out some sort of plan, like we'll risk losing JJ for the potential of this 1st rounder becoming XYZ player, he might be able to convince Dan to do it and take on more money. It all depends on what $ value Henny places on a draft pick I guess. Maybe we'll find out today/tomorrow.

With your personal business, would you gamble this way? Would you pay 70% of your bills for things you don't use just for a very slim chance that you will get a return. Because, more than half the players taken in the actual lottery part of the draft end up being bench players. Then, maybe only (1) or (2) out of every draft end up All-Stars. Thus, you are looking at maybe 10% chance of getting a player that can make a difference. Otherwise, you are looking at players that may help you to .500.

I see no reasonable reason to tack on more salary for a mid round pick. If it was top 5, hell yeah! Otherwise, hell no.

THIS, I dont understand why everyone thinks we wont miss on a mid 1st? What makes you believe that Henny is going to find a real deal player at 14? It is a crapshoot picking in the top 5 let alone top 20!

[rcklsscognition]

Like I said, it's easier to spend other people's money. It's easier to risk other people's assets than it is your own, that's all that's happening here. Almost none of us would actually do it if we were the GM.

I would trade JJ though

[BadMofoPimp]

With your personal business, would you gamble this way? Would you pay 70% of your bills for things you don't use just for a very slim chance that you will get a return. Because, more than half the players taken in the actual lottery part of the draft end up being bench players. Then, maybe only (1) or (2) out of every draft end up All-Stars. Thus, you are looking at maybe 10% chance of getting a player that can make a difference. Otherwise, you are looking at players that may help you to .500.

I see no reasonable reason to tack on more salary for a mid round pick. If it was top 5, hell yeah! Otherwise, hell no.

THIS, I dont understand why everyone thinks we wont miss on a mid 1st? What makes you believe that Henny is going to find a real deal player at 14? It is a crapshoot picking in the top 5 let alone top 20!

Now, I like Henny, but it is just as easy to get a Kwame as a Dwight. Better yet, what if you get a Greg Oden. If you go thru it all, probably 80% of top 5's don't even pan out like they should.

Henny is not a miracle worker and I will NOT put my faith into him until he can prove me wrong. Because, he did good with Vucevic, Harkless shows potential while I am not sold on him yet and Henny did take back Al Harringtons contract. Thus, Henny is no Money Ball man if he takes bad contracts when trading away the best Center in the world.

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

With your personal business, would you gamble this way? Would you pay 70% of your bills for things you don't use just for a very slim chance that you will get a return. Because, more than half the players taken in the actual lottery part of the draft end up being bench players. Then, maybe only (1) or (2) out of every draft end up All-Stars. Thus, you are looking at maybe 10% chance of getting a player that can make a difference. Otherwise, you are looking at players that may help you to .500.

I see no reasonable reason to tack on more salary for a mid round pick. If it was top 5, hell yeah! Otherwise, hell no.

THIS, I dont understand why everyone thinks we wont miss on a mid 1st? What makes you believe that Henny is going to find a real deal player at 14? It is a crapshoot picking in the top 5 let alone top 20!

Now, I like Henny, but it is just as easy to get a Kwame as a Dwight. Better yet, what if you get a Greg Oden. If you go thru it all, probably 80% of top 5's don't even pan out like they should.

Henny is not a miracle worker and I will NOT put my faith into him until he can prove me wrong. Because, he did good with Vucevic, Harkless shows potential while I am not sold on him yet and Henny did take back Al Harringtons contract. Thus, Henny is no Money Ball man if he takes bad contracts when trading away the best Center in the world.

He did draft Nicholson in the mid to late 1st and oquinn in the 2nd.