Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[organix85]

I can't believe how shocked some of you people are that this may be what Rose wants... The Rose you know wants to win.

That is soooooooooooo not the point.

Some people are making it their point.

[Flopper]

wtf is this....

If he cared about winning he would have re-signed for less like the three amigos did. Rose is selfish, he wanted the max money so he could show off his big bling contract to friends in Englewood. If he cared about winning he would have recruited Dwight or Lebron. Instead he wanted to be the "star" in Chicago and didn't want to be second fiddle.


Selfish ass Rose. I say we trade him for Howard and Nash.

Nash
Butler
Deng
Noah/Mirotic
Howard

[kulaz3000]

It pains me to say this but a divide is developing that may one day end in Derrick Rose playing for a different team. Either that or the Front Office will be fired. But the relationship looks tenuous, at best, right now.

Maybe all the people that ripped Friedell and the media, for making up a story, or overreacting, want to apologize now.

I think there is little chance Reggie just flies off the handle and says this stuff without Derrick's knowledge or even slight similar feelings.

All this stuff is managed by the Rose camp and starting with the USA Today piece, its been a targeted campaign of increasing pressure.

This is not really good news for the Bulls, unless some thinking changes.

If Reggie speaks for Derrick than he needs to know that he is in the wrong. He basically has put himself above the team and the franchise, and if it comes to push and shove, I'd be fine with eventually showing Derrick the door.

There is one thing about being disgruntled and wanting to improve the team, but do it behind closed doors. Rant, rave, kick, scream for all I care, but do it behind close doors where even though their may be leaks, there is still a way to protect not only yourself, but the team. In this instance, he has put himself above the team, thrown the team, and management under the bus publicly.

It's one thing to be rehabbing and seeing your team struggle, it's another to see that your team is busting their asses for the team to be in the best position possible before your 'leader' returns to the floor, and then you read that he still thinks your team isn't good enough, how is that meant to make them feel? These types of comments can fracture teams, egos and everything in between. He is basically saying, even if I return, we're not good enough to be the best, and I'm not confident in myself enough to put them over the top - all the while, he has yet to even see how he fits with the new team.

I'm a Bulls fan first and foremost, and as much as I love Derrick, it pisses me off that this happening and now the Bulls will have to face all this scrutiny which will eventually follow, right before a nationally televised game no less. The only way for this to be buried is if Derrick distances himself from the comment and to say that it was Reggie's opinion and not his own, even if the truth is, is that Derrick felt the same way.

[Rerisen]

Derrick Rose's close friend told a coworker of mine Sunday Rose didn't want to play because of the FO's inability to bring in real players that can win titles. I brushed this off as just talk but now that this came out today I know Rose feels this way. He can't ruin his image of a trooper by making these comments openly but his thugged out brother can with no consequence. If Derrick didn't feel this way his brother wouldn't come out and say it. But anyway this is something most Bulls fans have been saying anyway. Tired of the FO making salary dumps and being hesitant to bring in talent when you see other large markets doing it.

Not hard to believe at all. I think so many fans are totally naive that the NBA is like some kind of High School team spirit gig, and Derrick is all 'aw shucks I just want to weeeeun'.

Derrick Rose is a massive superstar, brand name to himself. To believe he wants to forgo better odds at rings because of how much he loves Luol Deng or something is ludicrous. The Bulls themselves have shopped Deng in recent years, so Rose is supposed to be crucified for wanting a better team? Get real people. The NBA is a business. Michael and Scottie learned to get along with Dennis Rodman, a 'hated' arch rival from Detroit. LeBron and Durant joke and shake hands after the Finals. This is big business.

Sure team chemistry is valuable and teams can grow to like each other. Pretty sure everyone liked Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer too, whoops now they are gone. Anyone could be gone at any moment. Players have every right to be as ruthless, in their objectives, as management is at maximizing profits.

[jstnw89]

If he cared about winning he would have re-signed for less like the three amigos did. Rose is selfish, he wanted the max money so he could show off his big bling contract to friends in Englewood. If he cared about winning he would have recruited Dwight or Lebron. Instead he wanted to be the "star" in Chicago and didn't want to be second fiddle.


Selfish ass Rose. I say we trade him for Howard and Nash.

Nash
Butler
Deng
Noah/Mirotic
Howard

Are you joking or serious?

[DuckIII]

Yeah, I'm really afraid you're right. This is pretty inexcusable. Even if you have an issue with management, there's no excusing throwing his teammates under the bus. There's really little justification for it when you consider how competitive they've been without him. I don't like this side of Derrick at all. And the thing that really gets me about this stuff is it is so passive aggressive. It's the kind of bitch move guys like Lebron and Carmelo pull and I thought he was better than that. This really makes me appreciate MJ even more. He'd trash his teammates, but he'd do it like a man to their faces.

Exactly. I think the posters who are saying "I agree with him, Rose just wants to win!" and "I can't believe posters are turning their back on him" (which I'm not doing, by the way) are misunderstanding the concern here.

I don't have a problem with Rose or his people at all expressing these views to Bulls management. None. I don't even know that I'd have a problem with Reggie saying this at a different point in time.

But Jesus Christ, the season isn't over. These team is playing their hearts out like wounded warriors trying to keep it afloat in the hope Rose can return. The Bulls have been contenders for two straight years. Have two additional allstars to Rose. Are only not contending right now because of Rose himself.

And you come out and suggest that he might not return this season because his teammates aren't good enough, and he might embarrass himself by not playing great? When a guy like Luol Deng refused SURGERY so he could compete this year?

The point is that a camp that is willing to do that, under these circumstances, is basically standing there with a barrell full of red flags, throwing one after another into the air while shining a spotlight on them.

[Mr Funk]

He could care less about getting attention for himself. The family is financially set for life.

What he wants is for the Bulls to get his brother some help. Rose needs a second consistent scorer alongside of him or his career will be shortened because he's shouldering that burden alone.

What move exactly?

Its super easy for chumps like Reggie to say this, but do what?

People complain and can point all they like, but they never cite example or possible moves that actually make us better.

Its easy to sit there and complain, but no move we make is putting us a OKC level let alone a Heat level, given our best player is out and that these 2 teams have the 2 best players in the world right now.

[waffle]

What has Derrick done to attract other SUPERSTARS? Didn't he want to be the MAN?

He is getting SH*T advice.

I dislike athletes who see themselves as a corporation rather than a competitor. I like athletes who get their feelings of self worth through humiliating opponents.

This is bad stuff, maynard.

WE CAN COMPETE WITH THE HEAT. I am not saying win, but compete, yes. DECIDE IT ON THE COURT DERRICK.

[Dominator83]

Im really not mad at DRose for this (your a fool if you dont think he signed off on those comments), but he is a tad hypocritical here isnt he? He did pretty much ZERO reaching out/recruiting big name guys when they were available, and in this day and age that is a CRUCIAL element in getting guys to wanna coma along.

That being said, why are so many people mad?? Most of us here have been saying this forever.

Two years ago, most of us were pissed they didnt trade Asik for Mayo when it couldve been done. I firmly believe that with Mayo, Bulls beat Heat 2 years ago. Fast forward 1 year and they let Asik walk for nothing anyway. Im not ripping them for not matching that absurd contract, but its a perfect example of Gar/Pax being their typical selves and not cashing in their chips when they still have value. That most definatly hurts this teams ability to get better

[DRoseCantStop]

wtf is this....

If he cared about winning he would have re-signed for less like the three amigos did. Rose is selfish, he wanted the max money so he could show off his big bling contract to friends in Englewood. If he cared about winning he would have recruited Dwight or Lebron. Instead he wanted to be the "star" in Chicago and didn't want to be second fiddle.


Selfish ass Rose. I say we trade him for Howard and Nash.

Nash
Butler
Deng
Noah/Mirotic
Howard

The man has been playing too much 2K13.

[livbulls1]

If he cared about winning he would have re-signed for less like the three amigos did. Rose is selfish, he wanted the max money so he could show off his big bling contract to friends in Englewood. If he cared about winning he would have recruited Dwight or Lebron. Instead he wanted to be the "star" in Chicago and didn't want to be second fiddle.


Selfish ass Rose. I say we trade him for Howard and Nash.

Nash
Butler
Deng
Noah/Mirotic
Howard

[mattbulls]

If we don't make a move in the offseason Rose won't play next year too?

Anyway, a healthy Rose and this team can win it all.

[JasonFTW]

wtf is this....

If he cared about winning he would have re-signed for less like the three amigos did. Rose is selfish, he wanted the max money so he could show off his big bling contract to friends in Englewood. If he cared about winning he would have recruited Dwight or Lebron. Instead he wanted to be the "star" in Chicago and didn't want to be second fiddle.


Selfish ass Rose. I say we trade him for Howard and Nash.

Nash
Butler
Deng
Noah/Mirotic
Howard

The man has been playing too much 2K13.

[League Circles]

Wow!

Overreactions are getting exponential now. Duck! Your post was the worst you've ever made! Maybe the only bad post you've made! Apparently you were saving all your false thoughts for one huge blowout

WHY isn't it possible that Derrick and Reggie feel differently?

The bottom line is this:

more is always better. Derrick, Reggie, every player, coach, and exec for the Bulls wants the Bulls to get more talent. There is no doubt about that. The concept of "enough" has no meaning in sports. Enough for what? If you don't somehow have 13 bionic robot transformers that have a 1000 year shelf life that can play for you that non of your opponents do, you'll never have enough. The Heat don't have enough.

Rose damn sure thinks we have enough to win, he just wants more, as do all of us, Thibbs, the FO, and Reggie.

Reggie knows we have enough, he just wants to make sure the FO is always pressured into spending, not weakening the team, and always looking to get better.

Every star is the same way. It's just unfortunately a requirement. The Rose camp doesn't know for sure that the Bulls are trying their best to win a title, because the Bulls FO isn't the type to detail for them their every thought and move. So, not knowing for sure what level of the commitment the Bulls have, Reggie and Derrick have done the only thing they can - Derrick sat until the trade deadline to make sure the Bulls didn't dump Boozer or RIP (though he wasn't ready anyway so it wasn't a **** move), and Reggie spoke out.

I'm sure Reggie's comments were made long before the deadline (hours before) as sort of a last, and finally public, attempt at making sure the Bulls didn't do anything really dumb like trade Deng or Boozer for garbage. It worked. This really isn't that big of a deal.

[Red Larrivee]

What has Derrick done to attract other SUPERSTARS? Didn't he want to be the MAN?

What hasn't he done to attract other superstars? What has the Bulls FO done to attract other superstars? This is the same FO that didn't want to trade for a 26-year-old Pau Gasol because of luxury tax. Who are we the Raptors?

[BullsGate]

Shots Fired! Shots Fired!

Reggie Rose just threw every single person in the organization under the bus. Management, the players, ownership, etc etc.

It pains me to say this but a divide is developing that may one day end in Derrick Rose playing for a different team. Either that or the Front Office will be fired. But the relationship looks tenuous, at best, right now.

[jc23]

God it is so stupid to say this in public. I agree with much of what you said but **** you reggie rose, idiot.

[Jimako10]

Rose's brother is exactly right here. There is a reason for the perception Chicago has around the league. Let's be honest: in NBA terms, Chicago is more Milwaukee, Indiana, Memphis, Utah than Boston, Miami, New York, L.A.

The excuse the owner made of the Rose injury was appropriate only if the injury had been a career-ending one. Allowing your team to be gutted because your best player suffered an injury makes no sense unless your best player is never coming back.

These points have all been made before. They are indisputable, and they are devastating.

Asik was a fantastic defensive player, a true 7-footer with an incredible instinct for defensive position, an excellent rebounder, a good shot-blocker, and a a terrible match-up problem for the Heat. He was also a steal of a 2nd round pick who had only been in the league two years, and Chicago would only have had to pay him $5 million a year for the next two seasons. Big men like Asik are hard to find, and Chicago should never have let him go. Based on the nonsense premise of cap-space in two years, Chicago let him go for nothing. Chicago now has a washed-up vet-minimum player like Nazr Mohammed, who Chicago's coach won't even let see the floor, backing up a soon-to-be exhausted, if not broken-down, Joakim Noah. You get what you pay for.

Chicago had three fantastic, non-guaranteed contracts in Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, and C.J. Watson, as well as an expiring contract in Rip Hamilton. These contracts totaled $18 million, and should have allowed Chicago to buy at least two future 1st round picks. Detroit needed outside shooting and cap relief more than anything, and a Korver and Hamilton for Ben Gordon trade would have trumped Charlotte's offer and landed Chicago a fantastic future Detroit 1st.

Sacramento would have loved to have dumped John Salmon's contract; Toronto would have loved to have dumped Jose Calderon's (to pursue Steve Nash with a larger offer); Houston wanted to dump Luis Scola (to pursue Dwight Howard); Phoenix wanted to dump Josh Childress; and Minnesota could have dumped a contract like Luke Ridnour (to pursue Nicholas Batum with a larger offer). Chicago could have gotten another 1st from a trade for one of these players.

If luxury tax concerns were at play, they could have amnestied Boozer. Chicago could then have started this season keeping their star player (Rose) and their defensive defensive core (Noah, Deng, Gibson, Asik, Butler) intact, while adding two more 1sts to the Charlotte 1st and the rights to Mirotic. They would have been the front-runners in every trade-discussion for the next two seasons, with the potential to add players like Harden, Aldridge, Afflalo, etc. All it would have taken is money, a fraction of the $800 billion of profit the owner has made on the bulls since breaking up Jordan/Pippen/Rodman.

Chicago now has little of value, and nothing to show for the much celebrated cap space/young roster of 2010. Just wait until Chicago lets Robinson and Bellinelli walk this summer and replaces them with even worse minimum-salary players, more Mohammeds and Radmanovics.

+ a million

[DuckIII]

So I guess the best coach of the year, two current allstars, and great incoming talent within the next few years is not enough? I thought Drose wanted all this? He wanted to be the man in Chicago, and he got his wish.

I like you. But I'm worried about the health and safety of LCMJ. Please post a picture of him holding today's newspaper.

[DanTown8587]

Yeah, I'm really afraid you're right. This is pretty inexcusable. Even if you have an issue with management, there's no excusing throwing his teammates under the bus. There's really little justification for it when you consider how competitive they've been without him. I don't like this side of Derrick at all. And the thing that really gets me about this stuff is it is so passive aggressive. It's the kind of bitch move guys like Lebron and Carmelo pull and I thought he was better than that. This really makes me appreciate MJ even more. He'd trash his teammates, but he'd do it like a man to their faces.

Exactly. I think the posters who are saying "I agree with him, Rose just wants to win!" and "I can't believe posters are turning their back on him" (which I'm not doing, by the way) are misunderstanding the concern here.

I don't have a problem with Rose or his people at all expressing these views to Bulls management. None. I don't even know that I'd have a problem with Reggie saying this at a different point in time.

But Jesus Christ, the season isn't over. These team is playing their hearts out like wounded warriors trying to keep it afloat in the hope Rose can return. The Bulls have been contenders for two straight years. Have two additional allstars to Rose. Are only not contending right now because of Rose himself.

And you come out and suggest that he might not return this season because his teammates aren't good enough, and he might embarrass himself by not playing great? When a guy like Luol Deng refused SURGERY so he could compete this year?

The point is that a camp that is willing to do that, under these circumstances, is basically standing there with a barrell full of red flags, throwing one after another into the air while shining a spotlight on them.

Here's really what upsets me: Rose isn't even playing. Derrick Rose (or through extension of his brother) has basically said "you know what, we're not good enough to win, I want better players" and he HASNT EVEN PLAYED A GAME with this team this year? This is the first time that Derrick Rose is inserting himself into the front office portion of his team. I don't see how people don't look around the league at recent history and say "boy, this will work out well".