Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

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[LoveDaBoo]

Nope. My comments aren't based at all on whether or not he will actually sit out. They are based on the fact that he (through his brother) is publicly threatening to do it.

It can't be a threat because what is the action to stop the threat, the trade deadline is over when the piece came out. That's why I say it is most likely a protest.

That is a distinction with no difference.

I also don't think Rose and Reggie are 100% on this

Based on the chronology of events, and Derrick's active participation in them, that is either naive or wishful thinking. Earlier in this thread you yourself were acknowledging that this was an organized plan of attack that Team Derrick has been executing for months.

That's the thing. I'm so disappointed with the Derrick Rose response. I was hoping he'd strongly criticize them or even possibly make his brother apologize. I think and hope that Derrick isn't on the same page as Reggie, but his response was too weak-sauce. These comments, at this point, help nothing. Derrick should have squashed this.

[kulaz3000]

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Chuck is right, Reggie got used to sell a story and now the writer is going to get a thumbs up from his boss with all the activity he has created from releasing this story.

Reggie basically pulled down his pants, bent over and allowed himself to be used and abused, but the unfortunate thing is, it will be Derrick who will end up receiving the negative press not Reggie.

[bullsnewdynasty]

This is all false. The Bulls are probably one of the quickest teams I can think of at trying to break every time they get a rebound, whether the PG is Rose, Kirk, or Nate. The reason their pace is slow is not because they don't run, it's because when they don't have an easy bucket as a result of running, and the defense is set, they actually take 24 seconds to get the shot they want. They also force the opponent to often take much of the clock because of their good defense. The Bulls have to take a while to get shots in the half court because they can't create shots at will. But they absolutely run whenever they get the chance. They very often run full speed like it's a fast break only to not quite beat the defense, and bring it out top to run a play. There is more to pace than the actual pace rankings.

A lot of the guys aren't good finishers (outside of Taj, Butler, Rose, etc), but that's a different issue.

Why do you think that is, though? It has everything to do with the personnel not being good in transition.

[Rerisen]

The idea that Bulls players would be wrecked emotionally over Reggie Rose hinting that they can't beat Miami is high school drama stuff to me.

You mean Reggie saying the Bulls aren't good enough is going to wreck the locker room, but the Bulls Front Office literally shopping Carlos Boozer and Rip Hamilton, not to mention in the past even guys as important as Deng, isn't going to disrupt the locker room?

I don't get it.

The Bulls were probably one cost cutting offer away (and not a great talent upgarde one) from dumping players off this team, that shows how much faith management had in the team. But Reggie Rose's opinions, clearly vested in his brother - its not like he has reason for other loyalties - are much worse for ruining the team and turning his teammates off Derrick? Sorry, just don't buy our guys are that fragile.

I think actually breaking up the team would be worse for the team.

If Rose actually abandons them and doesn't come back, then yes. But not something likely being done for affect.

[pduh01]

That's the thing. I'm so disappointed with the Derrick Rose response. I was hoping he'd strongly criticize them or even possibly make his brother apologize. I think and hope that Derrick isn't on the same page as Reggie, but his response was too weak-sauce. These comments, at this point, help nothing. Derrick should have squashed this.

I agree Rose should come out and at least apologize for his brother at the very least, hopefully maybe a day or two he speak again, or I hope so and be more in-depth with his statement.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

So, was this an orchestrated, planned out thing, or did Reggie just get used? Which one is it?

[LoveDaBoo]

I do think it's fair to say they were stupid in what they did. They failed in terms of fielding the best team possible for this season, they failed to set the team up with cap flexibility, they failed to avoid the luxury tax. They managed to mitigate the loss of some of the role players they let go with solid replacements, but they're not even positioned well to retain those guys. The only thing we can see on the horizon for improving the team seems centered around the arrival of a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game coming over some undetermined number of years in the future.

You totally missed my point. I was disappointed with the FO's path. But it's all marginal. That's my point. Where was the path to a true #2? I was a tanker. To me, that was the only realistic path. That said, I'm not an idiot: I realize what a truly long shot that was. I get them not tanking. But all the moves they made or didn't make? Hardly matter. The bottom line is they need a #2, and there was never any real chance for one.

[GetBuLLish]

The idea that Bulls players would be wrecked emotionally over Reggie Rose hinting that they can't beat Miami is high school drama stuff to me.

You mean Reggie saying the Bulls aren't good enough is going to wreck the locker room, but the Bulls Front Office literally shopping Carlos Boozer and Rip Hamilton, not to mention in the past even guys as important as Deng, isn't going to disrupt the locker room?

I don't get it.

It makes no sense.

In fact, for all we know, guys like Noah and Deng might be thinking along the same exact lines as Reggie. In fact, after all the cost cutting and rumored cost cutting, maybe a lot of the players are thinking the same damn thing.

[League Circles]

If Marco Belinelli is offended that the suggestion could be drawn that Korver is better, too bad, he should play better.

I liked your whole post, but this needs to be singled out for it's importance. I don't get the angle that these guys are all being warriors and all that and they shouldn't have their feelings hurt. They are paid to play, and most of the team has not played very well this year. The only guys I'd really say are playing up to their potential this year are maybe Noah, Taj lately, Jimmy and Nate. Luol is I guess. Nazr, Vlad, Boozer, RIP, Marco, Kirk, Teague all need to play better, and any criticism of them by anyone, especially from an outside party (which Reggie is), indirectly, is very warranted. I don't want to hear about how no one expected them to be good. I did. I expect Deng to play more aggressively on offense. I expected Boozer to play like we all have seen he can. I expected RIP not to hold the jersey of the guy he's guarding every time he's on D. I expected Marco to not hold the ball 45 feet from the hoop every time he gets it like he's Lebron. I guess I didn't expect much more out of Kirk

I'm not saying I expected it in the sense that I thought they were better than they are, but rather just in the sense that players are supposed to play well, and when they don't (and we're a mere .574 winning % and 5th seed right now despite two all stars and a high payroll), they can and should be criticized. Obviously Rerisen, you and I disagree on the quality of the guys let go (well, on Korver - he sucks too), but Omer was just a way for the Bulls to not overcommit to a team that didn't look like a title favorite.

[kingkirk]

I think with this issue, we need to separate the parties here.

Just because im mad a Reggie, doesn't mean im supporting the front office or saying that we don't need to get better.

If im ripping into Reggie Rose, you can sure as **** know right now that it has nothing to do with the front office, but the potential ramifications this does to a team.

That was my first thought when this broke out. How the **** would Jo feel hearing/reading this **** from his captains brother/manager?

Again, forget about the front office, what they have or haven't done, but focus on the unnecessary division and factions this may create within a tight nit group.

Im not going to blame the loss to the Heat tonight on Reggie Rose, because you need to be better than that and we didn't execute, but the potential for this thing to be a beat up going forward for the rest of the season, which has the ability to destabilise all the great things this team has done to date this season, it would be a travesty.

[Rerisen]

First, and foremost at the very least Reggie Rose should at least keep it private.

I think the whole point was public pressure.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

So, was this an orchestrated, planned out thing, or did Reggie just get used? Which one is it?

Barkley doesn't know what he's talking about.

I believe that there's been private discussions happening, but there was a plan to take it public if an unknown trade didn't occur today. It is not an accident that the interview took place right after the deadline passed.

[Red Larrivee]

This is all false. The Bulls are probably one of the quickest teams I can think of at trying to break every time they get a rebound, whether the PG is Rose, Kirk, or Nate. The reason their pace is slow is not because they don't run, it's because when they don't have an easy bucket as a result of running, and the defense is set, they actually take 24 seconds to get the shot they want. They also force the opponent to often take much of the clock because of their good defense. The Bulls have to take a while to get shots in the half court because they can't create shots at will. But they absolutely run whenever they get the chance. They very often run full speed like it's a fast break only to not quite beat the defense, and bring it out top to run a play. There is more to pace than the actual pace rankings.

Keyword is whenever they get "the chance." When you have one of the quickest players in the league, the chance is arguably every possession. An easy remedy for a bad offense is pushing the ball more and catching the defense off guard. Rose is a game-changer in transition, and when you create a team that can get out on the break, spread the floor and play above the rim, it's dangerous. The Bulls have created the opposite of that, and while it's had success, it doesn't completely maximize how good Rose or the team can be.

[kulaz3000]

The question is, why make a rift in the first place? Why throw a team of players busting their asses under the bus?

It doesn't matter how it affects each individual, but why even plant that seed of negative thought in their heads to begin with? Is Reggie's agenda to actual improve the team for Derrick so much so that Derrick can half ass it and still win a Championship? Or is this Reggie trying to get his name in the papers and flex his muscles like he has controlling powers of Derrick?

His comments just don't seem like they were well thought out and thought through on how it would affect not only the team, the organization but also his brother, Derrick.

[whodey]

Front office mistakes :

1. Giving Boozer a 5 year deal. Not saying it was a bad signing because it was between Lee and Boozer. But the length of the deal was dumb.
2. Freaking out and going with the "paxon" signing of Rip Hamilton. The dude got his buyout, we should have got him at the minimum.
3. Signing Taj Gibson. After Miami was constructed, we needed to be patient and let Taj play his contract out. He's a backup and probably wouldn't have commanded more than what he got.
4. Paying the luxury tax for the team we have on the floor this year. This was a mistake through procrastination since the offseason.
5. Not being aggressive in going after OJ Mayo this past offseason. If we showed up with the same deal and sold him on the long term goal of being a duo with Rose in the backcourt, i feel like he would have been a bull.

[Mech Engineer]

Here is my take regarding Reggie Rose

First, and foremost at the very least Reggie Rose should at least keep it private. If he got something to say then say it to the front office in person, privately not publicly. I never a big fan when coaches, gms, players, and etc call out one or another in public(to the media.) it is better to keep these type of things privately, keep your mouth shut, and if you got something to say to a certain person then act like an adult, go to them and talk to that person/persons and do it privately.

Next thing is to a degree Reggie is right but in certain other angles he is wrong. The part of his wrong is he needs to understand what the Bulls salary cap situation at the moment, and who is actually available, and plus with our current assets what kind value they currently have right now that, and what they can get in return. The next thing is which I should say the begin with there is no superstar that is available at the moment if there is who then? Who is actually available? Dwight Howard? Uh last time I check he have no interest in playing for the Bulls at the moment. With the Bulls in a bad cap situation or I should say cap in hell(maybe not the right word to describe it but you get my drift.) we have limit option at the moment.

Right now this past trade deadline who is actually available to make the Bulls better? Uh let see Josh Smith? Yeah right only thing that make better is to clear cap room if you dump Deng, Noah, or Boozer. Hawks wouldn't take Boozer, Deng? Not worth Josh Smith sorry and beside I doubt Hawks want Deng, and I wouldn't even think about trading Noah for Josh Smith.

Onto the next player who else? Al Jefferson? Only if we get rid of Boozer some how so that isn't happening but I don't think he'll make a type of "impact" but he will help. Paul Milsap not in terms of impact I don't think but will help, and same I mention about Al Jefferson. There is NO ONE and I repeat no one that is available realistically to help the Bulls better especially in terms of impact for this past deadline. Only things that might be better is avoid the luxury tax, and minor deals but that is about it, period.

If you actually know who is available that can help the Bulls improve this past trade deadline I dare you to give me those names here on this forum when you respond to me please I dare you! Remember folks it takes two to tango regarding trades and even free agents who knows what really happen behind the scene what the Bulls organization did/trying to do via trades or free agents. Sometime one want to dance but other hesitate, and decide not to dance with you think about it folks. Of course it could be on the front office but it could be from the other party too again think about it.

By the way I kinda lol when Reggie mention Deng & Noah but no mention of Carlos Boozer.

Here's my take on that..
1. Why Reggie went public? We can logically guess that he would have tried to talk to the Bulls FO privately. Either the Bulls FO told him to take a hike or didn't agree with him or gave him the financial reasons or probably said they are working on fixing the Bulls problems. Maybe he has asked them several times and they keep saying the same crap...(showing charts, rankings, graphics, player availability, player flaws like Josh Smith's issues or Dwight Howard's issues). He might have got frustrated with that crap and went public.

2. He is probably one of the few guys who really sees and talks to his brother after games. GarPax, Jerry, Bulls players, Thibs) don't do that all the time. Derrick will be emotional after a game and would have let out more to his brother than he would the next day to somebody else.

3. About availability of players like Howard or any other superstar...it is not about them directly being available. They lost an asset like Asik who they could have used as a piece for a superstar trade. Or, their history tells that they have not been successful in getting a star type player except for Boozer. Sometimes, it might be the intermediate place of getting a bunch of semi-stars to put them together in a trade for a superstar type when they become available. Guys like Mayo, Josh Smith(just examples) might not be superstars but those types who are young and are athletic can be part of a bigger trade much more than a older player like Boozer or Rip.

[LoveDaBoo]

I think with this issue, we need to separate the parties here.

Just because im mad a Reggie, doesn't mean im supporting the front office or saying that we don't need to get better.

If im ripping into Reggie Rose, you can sure as **** know right now that it has nothing to do with the front office, but the potential ramifications this does to a team.

That was my first thought when this broke out. How the **** would Jo feel hearing/reading this **** from his captains brother/manager?

Again, forget about the front office, what they have or haven't done, but focus on the unnecessary division and factions this may create within a tight nit group.

Im not going to blame the loss to the Heat tonight on Reggie Rose, because you need to be better than that and we didn't execute, but the potential for this thing to be a beat up going forward for the rest of the season, which has the ability to destabilise all the great things this team has done to date this season, it would be a travesty.

Exaclty. Well said. The worst part for me is that I love how Rose has been such a team-first guy. And here his people are out there **** on his teammates when it's too late to even do anything. It just sucks.

[BullsFTW]

Simply a plan to convince the Front Office to get a second star. Good will come out of this situation. Relax people, all these guys just need to get in a room and settle this. I've said they will pursue someone in 2014, but I won't be surprised if a blockbuster deal happens during this summer.

[DuckIII]

That's the thing. I'm so disappointed with the Derrick Rose response. I was hoping he'd strongly criticize them or even possibly make his brother apologize. I think and hope that Derrick isn't on the same page as Reggie, but his response was too weak-sauce. These comments, at this point, help nothing. Derrick should have squashed this.

His response was even more disturbing than I thought it would be. I expected him to be more forceful. But no matter what he said, it was all part of the plan. Derrrick is obviously 100% on board with all of this. His initial response went a long way to confirming that, but it was pretty clear even before he issued his statement. And that won't change even if he amends his statement and goes further to distance himself. It will all be a PR sham.

What's happening here is pretty clear. And its scary. It was noted I think by coldfish earlier. The only time something like this commenced, and the player stayed, was Kobe. Every other time in the CBA era that this has happened, the player forced his way out.

I'm shocked. I believed the hype that Rose was above this. He's obviously not. And maybe I shouldn't have expected him to be, so that part is on me.