Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[bearadonisdna]

yup, gotta spend all of that extra cap room...

oh, wait

Yes I get ur point. The only offers on the table for the bulls were ones that made the team worse. Like a Bargnani or humphries deal. Then reggie would have really flipped. We all know the bulls are hardcapped which is limiting roster moves not sure what he expected or wanted.

No one else is shocked the bulls didn't make a move.

[Wingy]

he's, what, 22? 23? Injury or no, do you really think he believes his time is almost up?

I still don't think, except going over the cap, that ANY MOVE that has been proposed here has the smell of being realistic. I cannot think of a single move, including not signing Asik, which was a surprise to me and made me go "darn this FO! They are lame!"

Why waste time?

We're in a different nba world now. The Heat for better or worse have shown that its the star players that have the real power. I don't fault rose for learning the lesson quickly vs waiting like KG did trying to be the good guy and doing the right thing, only to see half your career slip away carrying a team that didn't have enough to help

[GetBuLLish]

Again, no mention of the actual Bulls. What they are doing and that their "captain" is doing while that is happening. FO hatred isn't the point, justified or not. Its **** February bro.

Rose will come back. He has worked his ass off to get into the best shape he can possibly be in. He will be our best player. And he will lead the Bulls as far as he can.

But unfortunately, the only thing the FO has worked hard at is how to run the team on a budget. Rose can and should call them out on this. In February, June, August, or whenever the hell.

Bulls, FO, Rose...they're all parts of the machine. And if they're not on the same page, then sh*t will go down.

[DuckIII]

HP, the whole point of these events is that what you "know" about Derrick Rose may be an advertisement. That is the whole point. So you can't rely on the advertisment to validate, without question, the advertisement itself. That is circular logic.

Think how long ago no one questioned Dwight Howard. You won't have to go back very far.

[DuckIII]

Again, no mention of the actual Bulls. What they are doing and that their "captain" is doing while that is happening. FO hatred isn't the point, justified or not. Its **** February bro.

Rose will come back. He has worked his ass off to get into the best shape he can possibly be in. He will be our best player. And he will lead the Bulls as far as he can.

But unfortunately, the only thing the FO has worked hard at is how to run the team on a budget. Rose can and should call them out on this. In February, June, August, or whenever the hell.

Bulls, FO, Rose...they're all parts of the machine. And if they're not on the same page, then sh*t will go down.

You wont' answer the question. Its always going to be about the FO to you. Its your lens.

[CalilLove89]

HP, the whole point of these events is that what you "know" about Derrick Rose may be an advertisement. That is the whole point. So you can't rely on the advertisment to validate, without question, the advertisement itself. That is circular logic.

Think how long ago no one questioned Dwight Howard. You won't have to go back very far.

Correct, there was once a famous commercial about role models, it even had something to do with the NBA.

[GetBuLLish]

You wont' answer the question. Its always going to be about the FO to you. Its your lens.

I honestly don't know what the question is.

[Rerisen]

HP, the whole point of these events is that what you "know" about Derrick Rose may be an advertisement. That is the whole point. So you can't rely on the advertisment to validate, without question, the advertisement itself. That is circular logic.

Think how long ago no one questioned Dwight Howard. You won't have to go back very far.

Dwight demanded out, played with questionable effort, got out, then continued to show questionable effort. Rose has done none of this.

What I need know about Rose is shown on the court. I mean excepting criminal behavior, or such detrimental to the team.

I don't think what Reggie Rose said (who is not Derrick anyway) is detrimental to the team in the win column, certainly not moreso than FO's actions that spurred what he said to begin with.

[Tenchi Ryu]

You wont' answer the question. Its always going to be about the FO to you. Its your lens.

Agree with this statement. People are basically team Derrick or team Derrick's group was wrong. But nobody being brought up is the actual teammates. Hell, I've actually heard people say "Suck it up" or "They are paid, they should just play basketball".

But why? They've worked their asses off too and got us to a respectable place in the standings. So to basically go and say "Yall ain't sh%t" is just a low blow. Even if it wasn't Rose, he needs to correct this ASAP, you just don't do that to your teammates nobody how much you think they suck.

[HINrichPolice]

HP, the whole point of these events is that what you "know" about Derrick Rose may be an advertisement. That is the whole point. So you can't rely on the advertisment to validate, without question, the advertisement itself. That is circular logic.

Think how long ago no one questioned Dwight Howard. You won't have to go back very far.

For simplicity, we are comparing "good Derrick" vs "diva Derrick".

If I asked you which Derrick do we have more evidence of, you have years upon years of good Derrick to reference vs comments made by Reggie, explicitly clarified to not represent Derrick, to support diva Derrick.

The only common thread is that there's also "coachable Derrick".

How is that circular logic? I'm simply weighing evidence for two different viewpoints where one viewport has an overwhelming advantage and the other viewpoint is the flavor of the week. Let's be better than this and not let the media hype influence us.

[Rerisen]

Agree with this statement. People are basically team Derrick or team Derrick's group was wrong. But nobody being brought up is the actual teammates. Hell, I've actually heard people say "Suck it up" or "They are paid, they should just play basketball".

But why? They've worked their asses off too and got us to a respectable place in the standings. So to basically go and say "Yall ain't sh%t" is just a low blow. Even if it wasn't Rose, he needs to correct this ASAP, you just don't do that to your teammates nobody how much you think they suck.

Why does it have to be one team or another, we're all Bulls fans. Issues are more complicated than that.

No one is bringing up Rose's teammates, like Boozer and Rip, who were shopped mercilessly up till today, and only on the team because we couldn't find a worthy bargain dump? Rose's teammates like Korver and Asik, who helped us to the best record 2 years in a row, then were let go for financial reasons?

Yeah what about his teammates, and why can't Reggie's comments be about those losses or attempted moves, rather than aimed at guys already on the team and doing a good job, 2 of which he singled out as great players.

[danzou]

I don't think Rose has changed all that much. Remember after we lost to Cleveland in 2010, before or during that offseason banaza of FA's, Rose said he didn't need a LeBron or superstar, but rather, "Just get me one guy." Presumably he meant a very good player, or All-Star. Some rumors were he wanted Joe Johnson.

People at first thought Boozer was that 'one guy', but clearly he is not. Not in the 2011 playoffs, not in 2012 when Rose went down and clearly not this year.

The rest of the money was spent on Korver, Brewer, Watson, productive players who are now all gone. Then Bogans, who Rose obviously wanted upgraded.

The Bulls have still yet to get Rose that one guy. They still have Noah and Deng who were here before Rose, and Noah has improved some, and Deng has been up and down, but the Bulls have yet to add one significant piece since Rose got here to make the team better.

The highest PER player on our team in Derrick absence, is Nate Robinson, who has massive problems on defense and remains erratic on offense despite his good year. And will probably be gone next year. This is an embarrassing lack of talent adding.

Our starting lineup in Game 1 vs Cleveland in 2010 was Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Gibson/Noah.

This could be our starting lineup next year!!!!

Gibson should probably be starting again right now, over Boozer. And Kirk is about as good as Rip or Marco, our SG options. This team has not advanced talent wise hardly at all, other than players already here like Taj, and of course Rose himself, carrying it all.

Wow, never looked at it like that. Great perspective, Re, on a stark reality.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Why does it have to be one team or another, we're all Bulls fans. Issues are more complicated than that.

No one is bringing up Rose's teammates, like Boozer and Rip, who were shopped mercilessly up till today, and only on the team because we couldn't find a worthy bargain dump? Rose's teammates like Korver and Asik, who helped us to the best record 2 years in a row, then were let go for financial reasons?

Yeah what about his teammates, and why can't Reggie's comments be about those losses or attempted moves, rather than aimed at guys already on the team and doing a good job, 2 of which he singled out as great players.

He still threw every teammate not named Noah or Deng under the bus though. Everyone already knows that a number of our players are not an overall good year, but throwing them under the bus DURING the season is just not the right method. And then straight up threatening that Rose's return could be effected by your disappointment in teammates? If Rose truly doesn't share Reggie's views, he needs to sit his ass down and tell him to chill out, seriously. These same ones you think aren't good enough are the same ones trying their best to play for the fans and hold the fort. That's f#$ked up you basically tell them they are worthless during the season, at least wait til the summer is approaching.

IMO, even if he does agree, Derrick needs to check his bro and do damage control asap.

[Indomitable]

I don't think Rose has changed all that much. Remember after we lost to Cleveland in 2010, before or during that offseason banaza of FA's, Rose said he didn't need a LeBron or superstar, but rather, "Just get me one guy." Presumably he meant a very good player, or All-Star. Some rumors were he wanted Joe Johnson.

People at first thought Boozer was that 'one guy', but clearly he is not. Not in the 2011 playoffs, not in 2012 when Rose went down and clearly not this year.

The rest of the money was spent on Korver, Brewer, Watson, productive players who are now all gone. Then Bogans, who Rose obviously wanted upgraded.

The Bulls have still yet to get Rose that one guy. They still have Noah and Deng who were here before Rose, and Noah has improved some, and Deng has been up and down, but the Bulls have yet to add one significant piece since Rose got here to make the team better.



The highest PER player on our team in Derrick absence, is Nate Robinson, who has massive problems on defense and remains erratic on offense despite his good year. And will probably be gone next year. This is an embarrassing lack of talent adding.

Our starting lineup in Game 1 vs Cleveland in 2010 was Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Gibson/Noah.

This could be our starting lineup next year!!!!

Gibson should probably be starting again right now, over Boozer. And Kirk is about as good as Rip or Marco, our SG options. This team has not advanced talent wise hardly at all, other than players already here like Taj, and of course Rose himself, carrying it all.

Wow, never looked at it like that. Great perspective, Re, on a stark reality.

Qft

[Ice the knees]

Tenchi,

You act like these players are made of glass. I doubt they are just going to give up. And if they do give up, that says a lot about those players. If someone telling you that you aren't good enough causes you to give up and concede defeat I'd rather not cheer for those type of players.

[DuckIII]

One of the best threads ever on the Bulls board. Good night and god save the Chicago Bulls. Great contributions by all.

[Indomitable]

Tenchi,

You act like these players are made of glass. I doubt they are just going to give up. And if they do give up, that says a lot about those players. If someone telling you that you aren't good enough causes you to give up and concede defeat I'd rather not cheer for those type of players.

Hey at least he is not running all over defending Rip. This is progess.

[Rerisen]

He still threw every teammate not named Noah or Deng under the bus though. Everyone already knows that a number of our players are not an overall good year, but throwing them under the bus DURING the season is just not the right method. And then straight up threatening that Rose's return could be effected by your disappointment in teammates? If Rose truly doesn't share Reggie's views, he needs to sit his ass down and tell him to chill out, seriously. These same ones you think aren't good enough are the same ones trying their best to play for the fans and hold the fort. That's f#$ked up you basically tell them they are worthless during the season, at least wait til the summer is approaching.

IMO, even if he does agree, Derrick needs to check his bro and do damage control asap.

I still do not see how you can view Reggie's comments more impactful than the moves (or lack of) that caused him to speak.

If Reggie saying the Bulls aren't good enough is damaging to the team, how is it now moreso damaging to actually make the team worse and break them up? Isn't that by default, more damaging. And in the middle of this season, trying to break them up farther by attempting to move Boozer and/or Rip, and not to get better either.

Sorry, you can't just say players know that trades are part of the game, but a teammate's family member saying they should improve is crushing by comparison. Deng was clearly rattled when he was nearly traded in 2008.

Rose will come back this year and the team will have no expectations now because of what Reggie said. They might even over-achieve. There will be less pressure on Rose to put the Bulls up with Miami, which many media people and analysts have already batted around, and many Bulls fans, probably are still secretly hopeful for.

[Indomitable]

One of the best threads ever on the Bulls board. Good night and god save the Chicago Bulls. Great contributions by all.

Let's get a 100 in one day.

[CousinOfDeath]

It like some guys secretary tells you how much her boss hates the company but then we believe its only his secretarys opinion.

I am nearly inclined to sig that level of perception. But my current sig, particularly today, makes me want to continue to honor the actual team. You know, those guys playing.

I see where you're coming from Duck, but I think Reggie might be the boss and Derrick the secretary.