Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[paul]

Link below. Does a great job of talking about how Skiles can't develop young players. That doesn't mean he won't play young players, just that so few of them develop properly under his watch. Sound familiar?

Serious question. When is John Hammond going to get a column like that written about him by a national writer?

He's churned and burned assets right and left now for five years. Yet he just rides under the radar and keeps collecting his paychecks. The owner likes his work so much that he got a big extension a couple weeks back to boot.

Hammond's last two trades in particular have been completely indefensible garbage and plenty of moves prior to that also sucked, but hey I guess the obvious response to what you posed above is that he gave Skiles both Sanders and Harris to work with and Skiles buried them behind 4th string guys after destroying every ounce of confidence they had.

Chicken and egg, but over the past few years Skiles received WAY too much credit and nowhere near enough heat, particularly nationally. About time someone said something, if you'd asked me who finally did without knowing I would have said Lowe or Dwyer.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Link below. Does a great job of talking about how Skiles can't develop young players. That doesn't mean he won't play young players, just that so few of them develop properly under his watch. Sound familiar?

Serious question. When is John Hammond going to get a column like that written about him by a national writer?

He's churned and burned assets right and left now for five years. Yet he just rides under the radar and keeps collecting his paychecks. The owner likes his work so much that he got a big extension a couple weeks back to boot.

We all thought Larry Harris was the used car salesman.

We need to give Hammond more credit. He sure is selling Kohl a bag of goods....

[europa]

The one thing I was highest on for Tobias was his jumper and his range.

I loved his post game. I still think his feel around the basket is extremely impressive given his age. Interestingly, he hasn't shown a lot of that so far with Orlando. His perimeter game has been very good so far. If he can add that to what he can do in the paint he could easily go from being a 15-16 ppg scorer to closer to 20 ppg if given proper minutes which so far he's gotten in Orlando.

[Kerb Hohl]

To go along with the Larry Harris used car salesman thought, I have always thought John Hammond a revolutionary green energy/recycling mind for the city. What he does with other people's trash is extraordinary.

[ampd]

The one thing I was highest on for Tobias was his jumper and his range.

I loved his post game. I still think his feel around the basket is extremely impressive given his age. Interestingly, he hasn't shown a lot of that so far with Orlando. His perimeter game has been very good so far. If he can add that to what he can do in the paint he could easily go from being a 15-16 ppg scorer to closer to 20 ppg if given proper minutes which so far he's gotten in Orlando.

If he turns into a 20 ppg scorer on any sort of efficiency that deal goes from mediocre at best to a **** disaster. It was always going to be dumb to have traded him, but if he actually turns into an NBA player?

Bleh. That Hammond extension is looking worse and worse.

[bigkurty]

No matter how good Tobes does this year, and I expect him to do good, what really scares me is what he might do next year. He worked hard last off season and added a ton of muscle. Imagine if he keeps up that work ethics and so far he seems like a really good kid who could just do that. Sure he doesn't have crazy explosiveness but a lot of really good players don't.

[europa]

The one thing I was highest on for Tobias was his jumper and his range.

I loved his post game. I still think his feel around the basket is extremely impressive given his age. Interestingly, he hasn't shown a lot of that so far with Orlando. His perimeter game has been very good so far. If he can add that to what he can do in the paint he could easily go from being a 15-16 ppg scorer to closer to 20 ppg if given proper minutes which so far he's gotten in Orlando.

If he turns into a 20 ppg scorer on any sort of efficiency that deal goes from mediocre at best to a **** disaster.

His Per 36 with the Bucks was 15 ppg. He's scored in that range so far with the Magic (small sample size alert). It's not unrealistic to project him to be that type of scorer consistently going forward. If he adds more diversity to his game, his point production could increase. I don't think it's unrealistic that he could inch closer to 20 ppg. He clearly has the talent to do it. What he needs is to keep developing his game and receive a legitimate opportunity to play and be involved in his team's offense (two things he did not receive in Milwaukee).

[Ayt]

Magic fan here.

I'm excited about Tobias, but it's a really small sample size. I like his game a lot, but it'll be interesting to see if it he can keep it up or not.

And regardless, I hope JJ balls out for your guys. I don't know if he resigns or not, but I would love if he helped make a surprising splash into the playoffs. And if he re-signs, even better.

He's not going to keep it up. He's going to improve on it. He just got there and he's spent the entire year rotting on the bench. He's just getting warmed up.

[Baddy Chuck]

That's where I am. Maybe he's only a 15 PPG guy, but that's what Redick is. Why trade a 20 year old 15 PPG guy for a 28 year old one?

[bigkurty]

Oh and he is younger than zeller, Oladipo, mcw, plumlee, burke, and McCollum. Wtf is wrong with management. We all know he would tear up the NCAA's this year if he were still down there.

[europa]

He just got there and he's spent the entire year rotting on the bench.

It's pretty impressive how he went from never playing to being a highly efficient scorer in the blink of an eye. It's like he has actual ability or something.

[paul]

So we've heard over the past couple of seasons that the two guys who actually enjoyed playing for the Bucks were Bogut and Harris and they've both now been traded, at least half of our current team wants out, Ersan apparently wanted out before his FA deal came up and money talked, Fat Sammy wanted a buyout so bad he did something that got him suspended when they knocked him back, Ellis is likely to forgo $11m to sign for half that annually somewhere else, Jennings will be desperately trying to get a team to sign him to a poisonous loaded deal so that he can get out.

Everything right on track.

[bigkurty]

Oh and he is younger than zeller, Oladipo, mcw, plumlee, burke, and McCollum. Wtf is wrong with management. We all know he would tear up the NCAA's this year if he were still down there.

Actually dipo is 2 months younger I believe. But still.

[ampd]

His Per 36 with the Bucks was 15 ppg. He's scored in that range so far with the Magic (small sample size alert). It's not unrealistic to project him to be that type of scorer consistently going forward. If he adds more diversity to his game, his point production could increase. I don't think it's unrealistic that he could inch closer to 20 ppg. He clearly has the talent to do it. What he needs is to keep developing his game and receive a legitimate opportunity to play and be involved in his team's offense (two things he did not receive in Milwaukee).

I guess it was all part of our master plan to play Josh Smith at SF next to Ersan. We all see how that has turned out so far

[ampd]

So we've heard over the past couple of seasons that the two guys who actually enjoyed playing for the Bucks were Bogut and Harris and they've both now been traded, at least half of our current team wants out, Ersan apparently wanted out before his FA deal came up and money talked, Fat Sammy wanted a buyout so bad he did something that got him suspended when they knocked him back, Ellis is likely to forgo $11m to sign for half that annually somewhere else, Jennings will be desperately trying to get a team to sign him to a poisonous loaded deal so that he can get out.

Everything right on track.

Cue the optimists win thread when we get the 8th seed

[Kerb Hohl]

I'll be interested to follow him now in Orlando since I have no interest in watching the Bucks. I was impressed to see him in a real selling-point game tonight.

I'm looking for silver linings here as a Bucks fan. Uhhh, ummm...since we've cleared out most of our talent that could and should be around for a few years...maybe botching some Larry Sanders move will allow this team to bottom out beyond belief and in the 2 years they draft top 5, they get a superstar.

[paul]

Magic fan here.

I'm excited about Tobias, but it's a really small sample size. I like his game a lot, but it'll be interesting to see if it he can keep it up or not.

And regardless, I hope JJ balls out for your guys. I don't know if he resigns or not, but I would love if he helped make a surprising splash into the playoffs. And if he re-signs, even better.

He's not going to keep it up. He's going to improve on it. He just got there and he's spent the entire year rotting on the bench. He's just getting warmed up.

He's a baby who has barely played any NBA minutes, I expect inconsistency for the next season or two and then I expect an explosion.

Dude has played 800 NBA minutes TOTAL (seriously Skiles give yourself a f'ing uppercut), I could see a similar trajectory to Paul George at a similar stage if he continues to develop. George has played 5300 minutes and is two years older, I see no reason Tobias can't be somewhere close to George's current level in 2 full 25mpg seasons time.

No guarantees of course, but the talent is certainly there.

[Godgers]

I feel like we just traded a 20 year old potential allstar SF for like 30 games of Redick and a 70% chance of getting the 8th seed to get swept in 4 by the Heat.

We have not had a decent SF as long as I could remember. I cant even remember the last time we had a allstar here. I think it was Redd like 5-6 seasons ago and he barley made it.

Right now I would trade anybody but Sanders for Harris. I would even give our 1st round pick.

You know whats worse than say is Harris turned out to be a bust. trading him away and watching him bust out. I thought for sure Harris would start this year and it was time.

[europa]

Dude has played 800 NBA minutes TOTAL (seriously Skiles give yourself a f'ing uppercut), I could see a similar trajectory to Paul George at a similar stage if he continues to develop. George has played 5300 minutes and is two years older, I see no reason Tobias can't be somewhere close to George's current level in 2 full 25mpg seasons time.

No guarantees of course, but the talent is certainly there.

I'm willing to wager that in 2-3 years we could be talking about Harris being a Top 5 player in his draft class. Yeah I said it.

[Godgers]

Im now suprised we didnt trade Larry Sanders for Josh Smith. As stupid as this franchise is. You think that trade would of been a lock.

Maybe the Bucks offered Sanders, Henson, and a 1st for Smith but the Hawks felt bad for Bucks fans and didnt do it, or thought they could go to jail for robbery.