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If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take?

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Who should they take?

Nerlens Noel
29
21%
Ben McLemore
32
23%
Shabazz Muhammad
20
15%
Marcus Smart
38
28%
Cody Zeller
2
1%
Otto Porter
1
1%
Anthony Bennett
5
4%
Other
10
7%
 
Total votes: 137

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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#201 » by shadrock » Mon Mar 4, 2013 4:47 am

Neon1 wrote:
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Neon1 wrote:If we get a top 2 pick, Im also on the 2 man race bandwagon. Noel or Smart, Smart or Noel. Whichever one we select, you wont hear a bitch out of me.


Who do you see as an NBA comparison for Noel? Serge Ibaka?


A Camby/Ibaka/Chandler type.


They are all very different types of players. Granted they are defensive minded, but besides that, not many similarities between the three.

Im worried he could become a Biyombo type, where he is good defensively, but cant carve out a roster spot because he is a huge liability on offence. He doesnt have the physical strength that a guy like Dwight had to get away with a lack of offensive moves.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#202 » by G-Heel » Mon Mar 4, 2013 4:58 am

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Neon1 wrote:
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Who do you see as an NBA comparison for Noel? Serge Ibaka?


A Camby/Ibaka/Chandler type.


They are all very different types of players. Granted they are defensive minded, but besides that, not many similarities between the three.

Im worried he could become a Biyombo type, where he is good defensively, but cant carve out a roster spot because he is a huge liability on offence. He doesnt have the physical strength that a guy like Dwight had to get away with a lack of offensive moves.


There are risks with every players though. I just think he has the most potential out of all the guys in this draft so hopefully Magic will take a long good look at him.

Obviously Hennigan and co will scout these guys a whole damn lot and know more about them than we do. Hopefully they will make the right decision and pick the best guy available.
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Post#203 » by Neon1 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 5:15 am

shadrock wrote: They are all very different types of players. Granted they are defensive minded, but besides that, not many similarities between the three.

Im worried he could become a Biyombo type, where he is good defensively, but cant carve out a roster spot because he is a huge liability on offence. He doesnt have the physical strength that a guy like Dwight had to get away with a lack of offensive moves.

Biyombo is tiny though, the guy is like in the 6-8 to 6-9 range. He hasnt provided nearly any of the defensive presence that was expected, thats likely because he isnt big enough to bother too many players outside of his defensive range.

Noel offensively (skillset) is more comparable to Chandler
Noel defensively is closest to Marcus Camby.

Im not concerned with him scoring or offensive post moves, all i expect from him on that end it a Tyson Chandler type game, lobs, putback dunks, offensive rebounding etc, oportunistic scoring.

That is not what you would be drafting a guy like him for,and that is not what he is good at, You take him on the premise of him completely changing the game for us defensively. The same way Dwight was able to change the game on D almost singlehandedly. Noel is THAT type of player on the defensive side of the ball.

Noel helps you play guys like Nicholson and Harris for longer stretches of the game (at PF) since he can cover any mistakes. He also helps Vucevic tremendously down low.
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Post#204 » by Viper1500 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 5:21 am

Has there been anymore talk on when Noel expects to return to play?(Obviously not this year)
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Post#205 » by Neon1 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 5:25 am

Viper1500 wrote:Has there been anymore talk on when Noel expects to return to play?(Obviously not this year)


Im probably wrong, but isnt it usually about a year to return? If so i guess all star break next year? #WigginsTank
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Post#206 » by Neon1 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 5:37 am

SmiteaDwight wrote:That's a good camparison. I also like Nbadraft.net's comparison of Larry Sanders.


I have heard that too, but admittedly i havent actually WATCHED Sanders play all that much, i have seen his stats, but i haven't done the "eyeball test" on him yet. If Milwaukee is ever on TV i will take notice though. From only judging stats, i would say thats about the type of guy i would expect out of Noel, at least statline wise..
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Post#207 » by LetItRain » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:10 am

G-Heel wrote:
Obviously Hennigan and co will scout these guys a whole damn lot and know more about them than we do. Hopefully they will make the right decision and pick the best guy available.


It's amazing that we can now say this. We obviously wouldn't have thought anything remotely like this when Otis was running the show.
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Post#208 » by LetItRain » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:12 am

Has there been any talk about Noel not declaring for the draft because of the injury....or is the thought that he'll still go top 5 this year regardless, so it's not worth going back to UK to show that he's recovered?
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Post#209 » by Def Swami » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:26 am

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Viper1500 wrote:Has there been anymore talk on when Noel expects to return to play?(Obviously not this year)


Im probably wrong, but isnt it usually about a year to return? If so i guess all star break next year? #WigginsTank

Every ACL injury is different and everyone recovers differently. It's variable. For example, Iman Shumpert and Derrick Rose both were injured on the exact same day last year. Shump has been back for a few weeks while Rose is still taking his time. And then you have freaks like Adrian Peterson. I think a year is a safe bet, but it could be sooner.

I too am good with either Smart or Noel (with a slight lean toward Smart). I think Noel will recover from his ACL injury fine. My concern with Noel is that he has twig legs and I'm not sure how those will hold up in the NBA.
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Post#210 » by Def Swami » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:27 am

LetItRain wrote:Has there been any talk about Noel not declaring for the draft because of the injury....or is the thought that he'll still go top 5 this year regardless, so it's not worth going back to UK to show that he's recovered?

More so, he'd go top 5 this year whereas he may not even crack top 10 next year. There's all the incentive for him to go this year.
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Post#211 » by fendilim » Mon Mar 4, 2013 10:14 am

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Viper1500 wrote:Has there been anymore talk on when Noel expects to return to play?(Obviously not this year)


Im probably wrong, but isnt it usually about a year to return? If so i guess all star break next year? #WigginsTank

Every ACL injury is different and everyone recovers differently. It's variable. For example, Iman Shumpert and Derrick Rose both were injured on the exact same day last year. Shump has been back for a few weeks while Rose is still taking his time. And then you have freaks like Adrian Peterson. I think a year is a safe bet, but it could be sooner.

I too am good with either Smart or Noel (with a slight lean toward Smart). I think Noel will recover from his ACL injury fine. My concern with Noel is that he has twig legs and I'm not sure how those will hold up in the NBA.

While it is true that every ACL injury recovery time is different, I do think that Rose has been cleared to play for a while now. Its only that the Bulls have been extra cautious on Rose given that he is their franchise player.
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Post#212 » by UCFJayBird » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:35 pm

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UCFJayBird wrote:I'm weary of going after Noel. Knee injuries are the career killers of big men (and basketball players in general). Just look at Greg Oden, Yao Ming, Andrew Bynum. Constant knee problems that reoccur over and over again. Big men who hurt their knees early in their careers tend to become injury prone (too lazy to do the research to see if i'm actually right, lol, but that's my impression).

Now Noel could certainly come back and be fine and be a fantastic player and never hurt that knee again. But if I'm the Magic with a top pick, I don't know if I take that gamble without having seen him play a season without hurting it again.


You don't see any physical difference between Nerlens Noel and Oden, Yao, Bynum etc. that would make knee injuries harder to recover from?


Thank you for saving me the time. Noel is 220 soaking wet, these guys are all 300+


Hrmmm...could be. But Nerlens Noel is 18 years old fresh out of HS (19 at draft). A LOT of these guys were twigs coming out of HS. They put on bulk in college, and then get massive in the NBA.

Perhaps those in the 250+ range do have trouble coming back from knee injuries. Who's to say Noel won't put on another 30-40 lbs in muscle/weight over his rookie contract and thus have reoccuring knee injuries?

Not saying that will be the case, but I don't think he's the next Dwight Howard either. If I'm the Magic, I don't know if I'm willing to spend a Top 2 pick on a center who has a significant knee injury at 18 years old, unless he were head and shoulders above the rest.

Of course I'd work him out and put him through a variety of tests and consult with doctors. And if he looks good as new and there are ZERO concerns than maybe that changes things because he could be a defensive beast. Just voicing concerns.
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Post#213 » by fendilim » Mon Mar 4, 2013 3:17 pm

The thing with Noel is that he is the perfect complement for Vucevic. Much like how Ibaka complements Perkins. Smith to Horford.. and the fact that the NBA game has evolved into a fast pace game makes Noel even more valuable especially with Tobias capable of playing the 4.

If we draft Mclemore or Shabazz and end up with Parker or Wiggins on 2014, wouldn't that be too redundant? Especially with Moe and Tobias too? I still think Noel is the best pick for us, especially if we are just going to tank heading into next season.

I simply don't see any signs of McLemore becoming a superstar in this league, much less living up to the hype of being picked in the top 4. I hope he proves me wrong if he is picked in the top 4, but I haven't seen a player that comes off screens or is a spot up shooter, that had lead his team to a championship.
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Post#214 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Mar 4, 2013 3:30 pm

If I were a GM, I wouldn't draft Noel within the Top 10, well maybe 7th, 8th or 9th, but no lower. Too high of a risky pick. Dude is going to be sitting out a whole year and may never come back the same. Not just physically, but also mentally.

I think the Magic should rank in this order:'

McLemore
Shabbazz
Smart.

But, I would love to find a way to draft McLemore or Shabbazz AND Trey Burke by finding a way to get another 1st rounder to grab him via trade. Dude is a great defensive PG.
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Post#215 » by nicnac215 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 3:59 pm

I think rob should look into trading our 1 st round pick. maybe for derrick favors or depending how high our pick is shved + minny 1 st round pick for our top 3 pick.
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Post#216 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Mar 4, 2013 4:22 pm

nicnac215 wrote:I think rob should look into trading our 1 st round pick. maybe for derrick favors or depending how high our pick is shved + minny 1 st round pick for our top 3 pick.


Derrick Favors isn't even worth a top 10 pick at this point. No way he is worth a top 2 pick. Maybe, Favors AND Al Jefferson.

Also, I don't think Shved is top 10 worthy either and I don't like the Magic drafting 10-15 in this weak draft. Keep the pick.

Personally, I would trade 2015 1st rounder the Magic got plus Afflalo for a pick falling under 12 or lower to get Burke or Noel if he falls that far.
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Post#217 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Mar 4, 2013 5:13 pm

We need an athletic SG and PG with size, quickness, and ability to create. That is our most glaring weakness.
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Post#218 » by zerp » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:13 pm

I want to see OLADIPO in a Magic uniform
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Post#219 » by zerp » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:14 pm

I want to see OLADIPO in a Magic uniform
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Post#220 » by magicman123 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:16 pm

i don't, no need to spend a top 3 pick on a player like that, but thats me

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