Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[RaptorReloaded]

I would LOVE to take a chance on Cousins. I'd trade anyone not name Val or Ross to make it happen too.

Gotta give to get. Val would have to go if a Cousins trade was available. It wouldn't be so bad considering that Val and Cousins wouldn't work together anyway.

Well then I say forget it. I'd be willing to throw in Ross if it came down to it but we're trying to build a contender here. Dealing Val for Cousins leaves us where we started except this time we have a headcase guy...if that's the case, we'd be better off keeping Val.

I'd do something around Ross, Lowry and Bargs for Cousins, player and a first from Sacramento. That was we can have a future front court to build around.

[Crazy-Canuck]

DD for Henderson and future pick.

We get the better overall player and the Bobcats bring in an overhyped young guy to sell tickets as the next MJ.

[Ice102]

Not saying these are likely but what I would at least attempt:

DeRozan + Amir for Milsap in a S&T or for Eric Gordon

Possibly DeRozan + Valanciunas for Kevin Love

Why DeRozan and Amir?

1. How much are you going to pay Milsap? 13-15 mill/per?
2. If so, why give away two assets? We can get Milsap for merely Ross and filler. Throw Bargnani to another team (Golden State, Phil., etc.) to make salaries work if needed. To just throw away assets like that needlessly isn't necessary here.

I think our assets that should be in play is Ross and a 2015 1st rd. pick.
IF we go after Carl Landry and manage to bring Milsap over, then throw Amir into play as well (as much as I hate to say it).

[RapsFanInOhio]

So much garbage being thrown around here.

Cousins is not coming here. Get over that. He needs to be in an environment surrounded by vets in order to keep him in line. I think he goes to Boston eventually.

I wouldn't trade DD for Eric Gordon right now. Too much of an injury risk, worse contract, not an upgrade.

DD for Dudley and Amundsen? Amundsen hasn't played for Phoenix in three years.. And Dudley has been pretty poor this year.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Here's what I do as of right now, in order:
Option 1: Get Millsap. Somehow. I don't see this as being terribly likely, but you never know.

Option 2:
- Move Ross for Jared Dudley. Dudley is a great fit here next to Gay, DD, and Fields. Hasn't played well this year, but is in a terrible situation there in Phoenix. Ross is a good and realistic return for Dudley.
- Pay Chicago's luxury tax bill (cash) for their first rounder this year. Draft Kabongo.
- Decline Lucas' team option.
- Assuming Gray picks up his option, move Gray for Gerald Green.
- Amnesty Bargs. Not the most popular option, but clearing his salary allows us to add pieces and build for next year.
- Re-sign Telfair for 2 years, $6 million. Fair deal for a decent backup.
- Sign Brandan Wright for half the MLE.
- Bring in Kwame Brown for the other half of the MLE.
- Lock up Lowry for a 3 year extension.

Lowry/Telfair/Kabongo
DD/Dudley/Green
Gay/Fields/Green/Kleiza
Amir/Wright/Acy
Val/Brown

It's not completely ideal, but we give up no future picks and maintain some flexibility.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I also wouldn't be opposed to bringing in Korver at the MLE, but it limits our ability to find a PF/C and he isn't as good of a defender as Dudley.

[Rapsfan07]

1. Ross for Dudley is crazy. If we didn`t include him in a deal for Gay, then why would we deal him straight up for Dudley? I'd rather call Portland and see if we do DeRozan for Matthews straight up. He fits in the starting line up perfectly.

2. I'd love to buy a first rounder..not sure who'd be selling but I like Burke and I think he'd be a heck of a player. I'd look to draft him before Kabongo.

3. I'd faster throw 3years/$9mil at Calderon than at Telfair

4. Looking for a new home for Bargs...this will probably be the hardest task of them all. I would want some kind of a S&T that sends out Bargs and brings in Millsap but that's not happening so my dream return would be a late first round pick and capspace but even that is a long shot at this point.

[hillbilly hare]

Here's what I do as of right now, in order:
Option 1: Get Millsap. Somehow. I don't see this as being terribly likely, but you never know.

Option 2:
- Move Ross for Jared Dudley. Dudley is a great fit here next to Gay, DD, and Fields. Hasn't played well this year, but is in a terrible situation there in Phoenix. Ross is a good and realistic return for Dudley.
- Pay Chicago's luxury tax bill (cash) for their first rounder this year. Draft Kabongo.
- Decline Lucas' team option.
- Assuming Gray picks up his option, move Gray for Gerald Green.
- Amnesty Bargs. Not the most popular option, but clearing his salary allows us to add pieces and build for next year.
- Re-sign Telfair for 2 years, $6 million. Fair deal for a decent backup.
- Sign Brandan Wright for half the MLE.
- Bring in Kwame Brown for the other half of the MLE.
- Lock up Lowry for a 3 year extension.

Lowry/Telfair/Kabongo
DD/Dudley/Green
Gay/Fields/Green/Kleiza
Amir/Wright/Acy
Val/Brown

It's not completely ideal, but we give up no future picks and maintain some flexibility.

The problem with this is that all the guys coming in are backups.

We have the same starting lineup which, while it should improve, is a team with a losing record. To go to all that work, and use all those assets and resources, just to bolster the bench of a bad team is not the way to go forward, in my opinion.

Remember: this is a stars league and your goal has to be to get stars on the team any way you can, one at a time.

Millsap is not known as a star, but he is playing like one. He's playing just as well as a lot of better known guys like David Lee and David West. He'd be a great addition at starting PF, letting Amir come off the bench at both PF and C. An upgrade at 2 positions.

Re. amnestying Andrea. Depends on what he does the rest of the year to boost his trade value. Amnestying him would be a huge chance lost - and it's totally on Colangelo, once again - to improve the roster. But Morey did something similar last year when he amnestied Scola, who was still a valuable player. And I think another team would pick Andrea up on waivers for around 5M a year, so we'd be on the hook for a lot less than his real salary.

Essentially exchanging Andrea for Millsap would be a big win.

[youreachiteach]

The issue is there are too many teams better than we are with much more cap space whether we amnesty Bargs or not. Milsap ain't coming. I'd bet Utah retains him. They only owe 25 mil in contracts next year. Sure, they have sign some players, but that's more than 40 mil they have to play with. I just think they let jefferson walk and re-sign Mo Williams (along with Milsap). That allows one of Kanter or Favors to stat and the other can come off the bench. Speaking of finances, look at San Antonio. That squad is only costing them 40 mil!!! Talk about amazing financial planning. They only have to pay Manu again (probably at a discount) and they can continue to do whatever they want. I wonder if they go after Josh Smith...they have the cap and they need more athleticism.

I've looked around the league at every team's salary and almost none of them are a fit for a trade. The teams that have space have organized themselves to get better options than we offer, and the teams without space already have similar if not better choices than Demar or Bargs, I don't see one trade out there for us to make. Not one.

Aside from Phoenix, but you'd have to take back crappy smaller contracts just to get a pick--and that would force us to use Demar as a chip. There is nothing out there for Bargs. Nothing. Our ONLY chance is if the Lakers flame out in the playoffs because Dwight can't play with Gasol and we send Demar and Bargs to LA for him. Gasol has just as many injury flags as Bargs if not more and LA needs a replacement for Kobe soon (and he loves playing there).

Gasol/Val
Amir/Landry? (MLE)
Gay Fields
Ross/Webster (cheap)
Lowry/Lucas

Is a very nice team. The money we'd save when he came off he cap the next season would allow us to re-sign Lowry +Gay easily.

[DatBoiCapspace]

Here's what I do as of right now, in order:
Option 1: Get Millsap. Somehow. I don't see this as being terribly likely, but you never know.

Option 2:
- Move Ross for Jared Dudley. Dudley is a great fit here next to Gay, DD, and Fields. Hasn't played well this year, but is in a terrible situation there in Phoenix. Ross is a good and realistic return for Dudley.
- Pay Chicago's luxury tax bill (cash) for their first rounder this year. Draft Kabongo.
- Decline Lucas' team option.
- Assuming Gray picks up his option, move Gray for Gerald Green.
- Amnesty Bargs. Not the most popular option, but clearing his salary allows us to add pieces and build for next year.
- Re-sign Telfair for 2 years, $6 million. Fair deal for a decent backup.
- Sign Brandan Wright for half the MLE.
- Bring in Kwame Brown for the other half of the MLE.
- Lock up Lowry for a 3 year extension.

Lowry/Telfair/Kabongo
DD/Dudley/Green
Gay/Fields/Green/Kleiza
Amir/Wright/Acy
Val/Brown

It's not completely ideal, but we give up no future picks and maintain some flexibility.

The problem with this is that all the guys coming in are backups.

We have the same starting lineup which, while it should improve, is a team with a losing record. To go to all that work, and use all those assets and resources, just to bolster the bench of a bad team is not the way to go forward, in my opinion.

Remember: this is a stars league and your goal has to be to get stars on the team any way you can, one at a time.

Millsap is not known as a star, but he is playing like one. He's playing just as well as a lot of better known guys like David Lee and David West. He'd be a great addition at starting PF, letting Amir come off the bench at both PF and C. An upgrade at 2 positions.

Re. amnestying Andrea. Depends on what he does the rest of the year to boost his trade value. Amnestying him would be a huge chance lost - and it's totally on Colangelo, once again - to improve the roster. But Morey did something similar last year when he amnestied Scola, who was still a valuable player. And I think another team would pick Andrea up on waivers for around 5M a year, so we'd be on the hook for a lot less than his real salary.

Essentially exchanging Andrea for Millsap would be a big win.

Dude you need to get off Moreys jock lol. Morey amnestying Scola was a completely different scenario then us with Andrea. We can't amnesty our way under the cap to offer to sign Millsap outright. The only way we get it done is through a S&T with Utah where we would most likely have to give up a future 1st or Ross. If BC is desperate to win now and isnt confident the team he put together can make the playoffs next year then thats a deal I would consider. Otherwise, we can wait for 14'-'15 to add that final piece when Fields and Bargs are expiring and we can decide what to do with Ross + DD + our 2014 pick.

[RapsFanInOhio]

The problem with this is that all the guys coming in are backups.

We have the same starting lineup which, while it should improve, is a team with a losing record. To go to all that work, and use all those assets and resources, just to bolster the bench of a bad team is not the way to go forward, in my opinion.

Remember: this is a stars league and your goal has to be to get stars on the team any way you can, one at a time.

Millsap is not known as a star, but he is playing like one. He's playing just as well as a lot of better known guys like David Lee and David West. He'd be a great addition at starting PF, letting Amir come off the bench at both PF and C. An upgrade at 2 positions.

Re. amnestying Andrea. Depends on what he does the rest of the year to boost his trade value. Amnestying him would be a huge chance lost - and it's totally on Colangelo, once again - to improve the roster. But Morey did something similar last year when he amnestied Scola, who was still a valuable player. And I think another team would pick Andrea up on waivers for around 5M a year, so we'd be on the hook for a lot less than his real salary.

Essentially exchanging Andrea for Millsap would be a big win.

Obviously Millsap would be nice, but I can't see that happening. There are too many other teams with sufficient cap space that could offer Utah a better deal.

And they're bench guys, but that much of an upgrade to our bench makes us better than a .500 team.

[TheFreshPrince]

The Utah big man we need is not Millsap (even though he'd be nice), it's Al Jefferson. They will no doubt go with the Favors/Kanter front court sooner rather than later since they're not any better than an 8th seed in the West at this point. I'm not sure how we can get Big Al, but if we're pushing forward with this Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan wing experiment, we might as well go all-in and get a money post scorer. And a shooter to start if possible

You know what, I might even give them Lowry if that's what it takes. With Al we'd need more of a distributor at the point anyways, and Kyle is a BEAST but he's another scorer. Decline Lowry's option and pay him what he deserves, then sign and trade them for one another (if that's still possibly under the new CBA).

Then possibly deal Bargnani for Hawes and J-Rich, unless his value has dropped lower than even those two.

And some variation (because the salaries are a bit off) of DeRozan for Shannon Brown & Kendall Marshall

Marshall
Ross/Brown
Gay/Richardson
Jefferson/Johnson
Valanciunas/Hawes

I know, we hand the keys to a young guy, but Marshall fits that lineup like a glove. We also get to move a shooter like T-Ross into the starting lineup to balance the bricklaying we've thrown up this year. Although, more shooting will still be needed.

[Ice102]

Trade 1:

TOR- Ross, Kleiza, Gray, Lucas for
UTA- Jefferson

Trade 2:

TOR- Lowry for
MIL- Jennings and (S&T) Dunleavy

Trade 3:

TOR- Bargnani for
PHIL- Kwame Brown, Jason Richardson


MLE:

Half on Anthony Morrow, the other half on Marco Belinelli

With those trades, we can try to shave off a couple million to dip under the luxury tax. Richardson is most likely out for the rest of next season so he is merely cap space needed to make the deal work. Jennings, I feel, is a better long term fit here in T.O, likes the city, friends with some of the guys here (especially DeMar), and can play pick and roll with Val, Amir, and Jefferson all game. Belinelli is that combo guard off the bench who will play mostly behind Brandon. Morrow will be our 3-point specialist along with Dunleavy to give us that spacing that our starting unit lacks (both are 40% 3-point shooters).

Starting Lineup next season:

Jennings/Belinelli
DeRozan/Morrow
Gay/Dunleavy/Fields
Jefferson/Acy
Val/Amir/Brown

That's a solid team with a good, complimenting bench.

[TheFreshPrince]

If the core moving forward is Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Johnson and Valanciunas, which means that they are all here for the long haul and won't be traded. What do you do with the rest of the guys moving forward (including Ross).

[Sterling_Archer]

If the core moving forward is Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Johnson and Valanciunas, which means that they are all here for the long haul and won't be traded. What do you do with the rest of the guys moving forward (including Ross).

Ross might stay and see him develop but with a team like that and you want to compete you know you need a three point shooter who can defend and another low post scorer who can defend. The idea with a lineup like that is to make and compete in the playoffs. If so everyone else should be up for grabs including Ross even though I am a supporter for him.

[JB7]

Andrea & DeRozan for Dirk

- DD is key to the deal
- Dallas starts rebuild
- Raps get veteran star (near the end of his career) GG type of move - trade some of the future for present; maybe has 3-4 years left

C - Val (Gray)
PF - Dirk (Amir)
SF - Gay
SG - Fields (Ross)
PG - Lowry (Lucas)

[TheGoodDoctor]

Andrea & DeRozan for Dirk

- DD is key to the deal
- Dallas starts rebuild
- Raps get veteran star (near the end of his career) GG type of move - trade some of the future for present; maybe has 3-4 years left

C - Val (Gray)
PF - Dirk (Amir)
SF - Gay
SG - Fields (Ross)
PG - Lowry (Lucas)

Absolutely no chance Dallas does this deal.

They're not going to back stab Dirk and especially not for hot garbage and a SG Magette.

[Marvin Martian]

Lowry and Derozan to the Celtics for Rajon Rondo.

BOS gets an expiring and their "SG of the future"

We dodge a bullet by getting rid of Derozan and acquiring a pass first PG.


Then we flip Ross for Iman Shumpert and Landry Fields for Chuck Hayes.

Rondo
Shumpert
Gay
Amir
Hayes / val

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

---What if we traded Bargnani + whatever to LAL for Pau Gasol
---Proceeded to sign Pau's buddy, our old friend, Jose Calderon to the MLE, 2 yr deal, team option for third year
---Traded Lowry for 1st rd pick(s), to Utah or Dallas - drafted Myck Kabongo as our PG of the future

Calderon/Kabongo
DeRozan/Ross
Gay/Fields
Gasol/Johnson
Valanciunas/Gasol

How would that team fare, in typical Colangelonian fashion?

[isyed]

The first Domino that needs to fall is we end up with the 5th pick. As much as i want the Raptors to improve the house needs to be cleaned up from BC down to Casey and the players as well. The only logical reasoning why Casey is playing the vets over the rooks is primarily for this reason. They know they are out of the playoffs but BC is trying everything he can to ensure we give a pick outside the top 10. A 5th pick would be the final straw and would ensure that BC gets canned. As much as i want Bennet to end up here it would be added reason to fire BC knowing that we gave up a 5th pick which could be the future PF of our team.

Clean the house. Fire BC, Stefanski and Casey. Put Johnny Davis as interim coach for next year. Clean the house out as follows:

Gay + Lowry for expiring and future pick - Lowry is an expiring and Gay has 2 more years left.
Fields + Ross + Anderson for young players and pick - Fields can only be moved with someone with potential like Ross and Anderson can go to a contending team as a backup wing
Amnesty Bargnani - We know he has no positive value and will net us nothing in return
Klieza retires - Saves some more money or worse case he is an expiring

Spend major money in scouting, coaching(especially development for all our players) and stats utilization in decision making.
Hire young GM with a true rebuild plan.
Try every possible resource to pick up a few picks this year to draft Kabango and Bennet (As much as i want BC fired i think he would be a great addition to our team)

Some potential trades

Gay + Lowry for Jefferson + Biedrins + Landry from GS
Fields + Ross for Beasley + 2013 Lakers 1st round pick
Anderson + Acy + 2015 lotto protected pick for 2013 pick back to us

Buyout Jefferson,
Pick Kabongo and Bennet
Tank with the following team

Val/Biedrins/Gray
Amir/Bennet
Beasley/Klieza
Derozan/
Kabongo/JL3

Play through Val and Derozan through every chance and tank the **** out of everyone. Develop Kabongo and Bennet through major minutes.

Draft Wiggins 2014 and use the remaining cap space to get more picks or young players through creative deals.
Only major salary in 2014 on will be Deorzan 9.5 mill and Amir 6.5 mill. All other rookie contracts and other contracts will add up to say another $15 mil

Total salary will be around $30 mill at the maximum. We will have around $30 mill to spend in the 2014 off season.

We could potentially sign 2 max salary or 2 star players at 12 mill each and a mid level guy.
Rebuild the proper way.