Chaos Revenant wrote:A competent GM makes a Finals with Gilbert. A great one wins a title with Arenas. Arenas was one of the few players in the NBA who could straight up outplay LeBron James individually in a playoff series. He averaged 29 ppg on 30% usage om high TS% - similar to what guys like Kobe and Wade did. And this was with pretty bad shot selection and a still developing offensive game.
The best Grunfeld could do was surround him with terrible coaching and 3rd rate talents like Butler and Jamison (Jamison is a net negative player, Butler was a 3rd or 4th option) and a nonexistent bench. Also he was nowhere near a terrible defender but there were so many players there that were. And then instead of shutting Gil down so he doesn't rush himself back, he lets him play and he ruins the knee for good.
EG lucked into that team.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by Knighthonor » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:50 pm
Well EG did put together the Gil team which flopped only after the Gil career injury.
So maybe that'd why Ted trust him so much. Maybe the guy is smarter than he appear.
NBA is a shady business with things like the draft being rigged. Maybe EG is playing his cards in that as well.
You never know.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by closg00 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 pm
LyricalRico wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I did a little research, just to put Shaun Livingston's comments in perspective.
--Livingston was with the Wizards (this time) for about 5 weeks, from 11/15/12 to 12/23/12.
--He was signed the day Jannero Pargo was waived.
--When Livingston became a Wizard, Washington was 0-7.
--The Wizards lost their next 5 games after Livingston was signed, to go to 0-12.
--Washington was 3-22 and had lost 7 straight. So, they were on a 12 game losing streak when he arrived and on a 7 game losing streak when Shaun Livingston departed.
--Washington was without Nene and Wall the entire time.
--When Livingston was a Wizard, Jordan Crawford was the de facto PG. A. J. Price, Shaun Livingston, and Shelvin Mack all played sparse minutes.
--Without Nene, Earl Barron generally outplayed Okafor and Seraphin the entire time Livingston was a Wizard.
--Livingston was waived as the Wizards had lost their seventh straight game. Garrett Temple was signed.
So, with all this in mind, my comment is this season started with a terribly toxic lineup. Livingston saw nothing but a confused roster and a team that had to have TERRIBLE chemistry.

Thanks for posting this. And don't forget that this was also pre-Crawford being benched and then traded (who reportedly was a big part if the dysfunction). So I'm basically looking at this as two different teams - the one before mid-January, and the one after.
We all knew you would latch onto this post

When Livingston criticizes the Wizards "organizational structure", he does-so after having been here twice. 2nd, the Cavs win/loss record is similar to the Wizards. The continued talk about the Wizards record is a red-herring.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:32 pm
My next post after that deals with the after team, LR. I agree, this "current, rather flat team" still is built on less than ideal footing.
Others have noted that EG teams are like this. We're not dysfunctional and the culture has been transformed, but Ariza and Okafor may either or both become UFAs. Nene appears to be walking wounded or just a bit better. Wall is fast becoming a target of media hate and contract talks. This is like EGs other teams from a win/loss perspective as well as from player development being obscured.
While it's a different team, the more things change the more they stay the same. I feel the Wizards are going to drop some games and end this season on a down note unless Beal picks up healthy where he left off. And in the event they do win all that does is ruin the tank lottery position and also make sure Seraphin, Vesely, and Singleton play as few minutes as Wittman can play them in order to try and salvage his job.
Either way, Livingston is right about this team IMO.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by LyricalRico » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:25 pm
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I did a little research, just to put Shaun Livingston's comments in perspective.
--Livingston was with the Wizards (this time) for about 5 weeks, from 11/15/12 to 12/23/12.
--He was signed the day Jannero Pargo was waived.
--When Livingston became a Wizard, Washington was 0-7.
--The Wizards lost their next 5 games after Livingston was signed, to go to 0-12.
--Washington was 3-22 and had lost 7 straight. So, they were on a 12 game losing streak when he arrived and on a 7 game losing streak when Shaun Livingston departed.
--Washington was without Nene and Wall the entire time.
--When Livingston was a Wizard, Jordan Crawford was the de facto PG. A. J. Price, Shaun Livingston, and Shelvin Mack all played sparse minutes.
--Without Nene, Earl Barron generally outplayed Okafor and Seraphin the entire time Livingston was a Wizard.
--Livingston was waived as the Wizards had lost their seventh straight game. Garrett Temple was signed.
So, with all this in mind, my comment is this season started with a terribly toxic lineup. Livingston saw nothing but a confused roster and a team that had to have TERRIBLE chemistry.

Thanks for posting this. And don't forget that this was also pre-Crawford being benched and then traded (who reportedly was a big part if the dysfunction). So I'm basically looking at this as two different teams - the one before mid-January, and the one after.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by Dat2U » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:22 pm
Ruzious wrote:On the positron side, I'm thinking one of the reasons Livingston thought it was a bad situation here was the presence of the 3 dumbigos. Now that Blatche, McGee, and Young are gone - the atmosphere is different.
Actually, Livingston was talking about his time from earlier this season, not from when he was here two years ago.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:58 pm
GhostsOfGil wrote:
closg00 wrote:Great, the Livingston quote is on the tap. More fodder for the "No FA's will come here unless we trade from them" mindset. Oh-well, Ted will take to his blog with a response from his PR machine.
I love how the picture is EG and not SL.

That is funny, I laughed when I saw that too!
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:56 pm
Chaos Revenant wrote:Because in the NBA, you have owners that invest, and you have owners that EXTRACT.
Investor owners: Davidson of the Pistons, Mark Cuban, Holt of the Spurs, Clay Bennett, a few others. I'd put the guy running the Nets in that category; his "win-now" approach is completely different from that of Leonsis.
Extractive owners: Don Sterling (at least until he drafted Blake Griffin), Herb Kohl, Ted Leonsis, guys who see the team not as an investment but as a piggy bank (and in many cases, a piggy bank funded by taxpayer money)
That's why there's such a big gap between the contenders and the non-contenders - they're content to collect their profits and not try to win beyond getting the occasional 8th seed. Because that costs time, money and effort - effort owners like Ted don't want to expend. Hey, much easier to make **** blog posts than to do the research and hire an effective medical staff and advanced scouting department!
Tremendous post, Chaos Revenant.
Some things, like good advice have been offered for free to Ted Leonsis. IMO Ted's arrogant because I've been giving up ideas for free for years. He should listen to me and others who know more than I do, but he's in an ivory tower with a moat around it, and with EG guarding the castle door.
Ashord and Simpson had a song out called, "Don't Cost You Nothing." Very interesting lyrics BTW:
Don't cost you nothing
Take a chance as you go
Don't cost you nothing
If you like it, come back for more
I ain't selling myself to you, baby
The way that others often do
People you know call me crazy
They determine what I offer you
It don't cost you nothing
More lyrics:
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/ashford_simpson/I might be crazy but I think I know what the guy could do to turn things around in very short order.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by GhostsOfGil » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:53 pm
closg00 wrote:Great, the Livingston quote is on the tap. More fodder for the "No FA's will come here unless we trade from them" mindset. Oh-well, Ted will take to his blog with a response from his PR machine.
I love how the picture is EG and not SL.

Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by truwizfan4evr » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:46 pm
Quickly someone send this article to Ted and Ernie.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by closg00 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:37 pm
Great, the Livingston quote is on the tap. More fodder for the "No FA's will come here unless we trade from them" mindset. Oh-well, Ted will take to his blog with a response from his PR machine.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by Higga » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:24 pm
It starts at the top.
Ted is a joke. He's no better than Abe Pollin, in fact he might be worse. Abe was just old, but in his prime this franchise was among the best in the league contending for championships.
Re: Washington was “one of the worst spots”
Post by FAH1223 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:17 pm
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/1/26/3917346/martell-webster-washington-wizards-nba-free-agency
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... ball-game/
This is why we HAVE to keep Martell Webster!
Nah, I think he just loves DC area more than anything
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