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Post#281 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:59 am

hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

Oh No. Webster talking about the West coast and how its a business.

But John Wall already put in his bid to Ted.

What might another team offer him ? You would hope up to the full 5M mid cap would do it. Wouldn't it ?

Its not just what he is doing on the court. He is to important to this team as a leader to let him go.


Definitely good to hear that Wall put in his endorsement to Ted.

Knighthonor wrote:trade him for lotto pick in 2014 draft. hurry before its too late. Be smart GM like Okc did Harden.

..seriously?
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Post#282 » by Knighthonor » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:14 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:
hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

Oh No. Webster talking about the West coast and how its a business.

But John Wall already put in his bid to Ted.

What might another team offer him ? You would hope up to the full 5M mid cap would do it. Wouldn't it ?

Its not just what he is doing on the court. He is to important to this team as a leader to let him go.


Definitely good to hear that Wall put in his endorsement to Ted.

Knighthonor wrote:trade him for lotto pick in 2014 draft. hurry before its too late. Be smart GM like Okc did Harden.

..seriously?


you really believe Webster and Nene want to stay in Washington? really?
They want out. Webster just laid it out for the Wiz fans in a politically correct way of doing it so he doesnt get bashed like AB and JC did.

Best to send him someplace better for him, while getting a nice pick in return in a loaded draft.

Nene also hinted at this.
Wizard's need some star forwards.

I also want Webster to stay and be a 6man. But being realistic here, he wants out.
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Re: Wizards Sign Martell Webster 

Post#283 » by Kanyewest » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:26 am

Webster is a free agent this offseason- not sure any team would trade a lottery pick in a sign and trade- a team could probably just offer him the MLE outright.
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Re: Wizards Sign Martell Webster 

Post#284 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:47 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:
hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

Oh No. Webster talking about the West coast and how its a business.

But John Wall already put in his bid to Ted.

What might another team offer him ? You would hope up to the full 5M mid cap would do it. Wouldn't it ?

Its not just what he is doing on the court. He is to important to this team as a leader to let him go.


Definitely good to hear that Wall put in his endorsement to Ted.

Knighthonor wrote:trade him for lotto pick in 2014 draft. hurry before its too late. Be smart GM like Okc did Harden.

..seriously?


you really believe Webster and Nene want to stay in Washington? really?
They want out. Webster just laid it out for the Wiz fans in a politically correct way of doing it so he doesnt get bashed like AB and JC did.

Best to send him someplace better for him, while getting a nice pick in return in a loaded draft.

Nene also hinted at this.
Wizard's need some star forwards.

I also want Webster to stay and be a 6man. But being realistic here, he wants out.



Where exactly would "some place better for him" be and could you provide a link where Nene hints he wants to play for another team?
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Post#285 » by Spence » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:17 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Webster is a free agent this offseason- not sure any team would trade a lottery pick in a sign and trade- a team could probably just offer him the MLE outright.

You're not sure about that? Really? I think you ARE sure about that. I think almost everyone is pretty sure no team will hand over a lottery pick for a soon-to-be free agent with a history of injury problems who has never averaged more than 11.5 points per game.

I like Martell Webster. I think he's a perfect match for the Wizards. I hope they find a way to keep him here after this season. And nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. We might get a lottery ticket. Not getting a lottery pick.
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Re: Wizards Sign Martell Webster 

Post#286 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:36 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Definitely good to hear that Wall put in his endorsement to Ted.

Knighthonor wrote:trade him for lotto pick in 2014 draft. hurry before its too late. Be smart GM like Okc did Harden.

..seriously?


you really believe Webster and Nene want to stay in Washington? really?
They want out. Webster just laid it out for the Wiz fans in a politically correct way of doing it so he doesnt get bashed like AB and JC did.

Best to send him someplace better for him, while getting a nice pick in return in a loaded draft.

Nene also hinted at this.
Wizard's need some star forwards.

I also want Webster to stay and be a 6man. But being realistic here, he wants out.


Its probably likely that both Webster and Nene would prefer to play on a better team.. I just found the notion of trading a FA for a lottery pick to be nonsensical. Plus Harden had a season left on his contract when he was traded. He had 5 times more value than Webster.
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Post#287 » by Jimmy Recard » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:55 pm

Michael Lee just tweeted:

John Wall said he wants Martell Webster back next season: "I already talked to Ted about that."
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Post#288 » by DCsOwn » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:06 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:
hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

Oh No. Webster talking about the West coast and how its a business.

But John Wall already put in his bid to Ted.

What might another team offer him ? You would hope up to the full 5M mid cap would do it. Wouldn't it ?

Its not just what he is doing on the court. He is to important to this team as a leader to let him go.


Definitely good to hear that Wall put in his endorsement to Ted.

Knighthonor wrote:trade him for lotto pick in 2014 draft. hurry before its too late. Be smart GM like Okc did Harden.

..seriously?


you really believe Webster and Nene want to stay in Washington? really?
They want out. Webster just laid it out for the Wiz fans in a politically correct way of doing it so he doesnt get bashed like AB and JC did.

Best to send him someplace better for him, while getting a nice pick in return in a loaded draft.

Nene also hinted at this.
Wizard's need some star forwards.

I also want Webster to stay and be a 6man. But being realistic here, he wants out.


``I would love to be here next year,'' said Webster, an eight-year veteran who entered Saturday shooting 44.4 percent from 3-point range and averaging 11.2 points. He will be a free agent at the end of the season.
``We'll see what happens,'' he added. ``I'm having an extraordinary time here. The city is great, the fans are great, and the teammates are awesome.''

http://www.nba.com/#$/games/20130316/PH ... einfo.html

Of course it's going to come down to the monetary compensation offered, but it's clear that he's comfortable here. He's repeated ad naseum throughout the year that he and his family enjoy being in DC and that he's open to staying.
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Re: Wizards Sign Martell Webster 

Post#289 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:19 pm

In a weird way, it's good that we are capped out and without Bird Rights. It's impossible for us to insult Webster with what he perceives to be a below market contract. The most we can offer is the full MLE.

Basically, we can tell Webster that all we have to work with is the MLE. You can have it two ways, which ever works for you. The first option would be a 2-year deal with the 2nd year a player option. The idea is to give Webster maximum flexibility. If he blows up and gets a big time offer from someone else, he can leave next year. If he stays here throughout the contract, we will have Bird Rights and the ability to pay him any amount on his next contract. The second option is to give him the full MLE for 4 years. That's the most we can pay him. The idea would be to give him the maximum financial security we can give him.

I think his fair market value is probably around $4.5M a year and possibly a bit more, so offering the full MLE isn't overpaying by all that much. Somebody else might conceivably offer him about $6M a year, but with Webster fitting so well here, he might stay for slightly less money.
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Re: Wizards Sign Martell Webster 

Post#290 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:41 pm

Man, I really like the guys on this team. I haven't felt that way in a while. Hope Martell stays! :pray:
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Post#291 » by Jimmy Recard » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:56 pm

DCsOwn wrote:``I would love to be here next year,'' said Webster, an eight-year veteran who entered Saturday shooting 44.4 percent from 3-point range and averaging 11.2 points. He will be a free agent at the end of the season.
``We'll see what happens,'' he added. ``I'm having an extraordinary time here. The city is great, the fans are great, and the teammates are awesome.''

http://www.nba.com/#$/games/20130316/PH ... einfo.html

Of course it's going to come down to the monetary compensation offered, but it's clear that he's comfortable here. He's repeated ad naseum throughout the year that he and his family enjoy being in DC and that he's open to staying.

And not to mention how often he's talked throughout the year about how much he loves the team. I'm sure he wants to resign, and i really hope he does - especially with Ariza most likely gone before the trade deadline next season - but everyone's got a price.
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Post#292 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:12 pm

nate33 wrote:In a weird way, it's good that we are capped out and without Bird Rights. It's impossible for us to insult Webster with what he perceives to be a below market contract. The most we can offer is the full MLE.

Basically, we can tell Webster that all we have to work with is the MLE. You can have it two ways, which ever works for you. The first option would be a 2-year deal with the 2nd year a player option. The idea is to give Webster maximum flexibility. If he blows up and gets a big time offer from someone else, he can leave next year. If he stays here throughout the contract, we will have Bird Rights and the ability to pay him any amount on his next contract. The second option is to give him the full MLE for 4 years. That's the most we can pay him. The idea would be to give him the maximum financial security we can give him.

I think his fair market value is probably around $4.5M a year and possibly a bit more, so offering the full MLE isn't overpaying by all that much. Somebody else might conceivably offer him about $6M a year, but with Webster fitting so well here, he might stay for slightly less money.


Its an evolving situation. I remember you and I talking about this a few weeks back or so. Seems your bid has gone up since then.

A 3rd option is a 3 year with an option on the 3rd year. He would still only be 29.

But 5M does seem to be his ceiling right now so why not lock in for 4 years at 5M if he can. Looking around at other players similar to him, that's about what they get at the high side. Unless he starts hitting on those drive dunks more, he is primarily a spot up 3 ball shooter. He isn't a SF that creates his own shot off the dribble and drives a lot or a SF that is a monster rebounder. He is a system player and this system fits him.

A lot of what is allowing him to shine is Wall. I even noticed it in last nights game. Web can get open looks when Wall isn't in, but he gets wide open looks when he is because Wall get it up court so fast and crashes the lane then kicks it out to him. That leave Webby wide open. So he would want a team with a PG like that.

So if he likes it here. Loves the fans. Thinks this teammates are Fing awesome. Likes where he lives in NVA. The fans love him here. He is an important piece here. A team leader. The coach starts him and believes in him. He is a core part of the offense and has the green light to shoot. They are building something and starting to win. And they can pay his up to 5M a year.

Why would he leave ? Where would be go that would be a better situation for him but here?

LAC ?

Hopefully his comment that its a business is just so he can max his leverage toward getting the most of the MLE that he can but at the end of the day, he stays.
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Post#293 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:33 pm

hands11 wrote:Its an evolving situation. I remember you and I talking about this a few weeks back or so. Seems your bid has gone up since then.

Yes, it has because Webster's production has gone up since then. A month ago, he had a PER in the mid 12's range but with excellent shooting efficiency. But in this past month, he has really jacked up his scoring average which has boosted his PER to 14.2.

A PER of 15 is theoretically an average player deserving of an average salary (the MLE). Webster is posting a PER slightly below 15, but with insane efficiency. That's certainly worth average money, and perhaps more.

Of course, I'm saying this right after the best game of his career. Hopefully, he'll have a much more mundane finish to the season and post his customary scoring averages of around 12 points per game. That guy looks more like a $4M per year player.
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Post#294 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:12 pm

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:Its an evolving situation. I remember you and I talking about this a few weeks back or so. Seems your bid has gone up since then.

Yes, it has because Webster's production has gone up since then. A month ago, he had a PER in the mid 12's range but with excellent shooting efficiency. But in this past month, he has really jacked up his scoring average which has boosted his PER to 14.2.

A PER of 15 is theoretically an average player deserving of an average salary (the MLE). Webster is posting a PER slightly below 15, but with insane efficiency. That's certainly worth average money, and perhaps more.

Of course, I'm saying this right after the best game of his career. Hopefully, he'll have a much more mundane finish to the season and post his customary scoring averages of around 12 points per game. That guy looks more like a $4M per year player.


That would be a good number. 3 yrs 4M/each. That should work well for the Wizards and give him some pocket coin. Maybe something like 4.2M or 4.3M. That would put him right around Beal for next year and behind Nene, Okafor, Trevor A and Wall.

Beals salary slowly goes up and passes Martel
Its a good team salary structure.

Question then starts to become, what is Trevor A worth on the open market ? Who do they draft ? Does Trevor A stay or go ? Those kind of things.

Short of blowing the Ves/Singleton/Mack draft and not getting Nikola ( a huge blunder ) this rebuild actually seems to be coming together decently if they can resign Martel.

They have a pass first PG finally that is also a top athlete
They have a pure shooting SG with a strong body and great all around game. Rebounds, passes, etc.
They have two SF. One long and a great defender who can hit some 3s and another that is a 3pt sharp shooter
They have a PF that while a little banged up and 30, he is a least a legit PF post player.
They have a defensive rebounding center. Again, a little long in the tooth but very very solid.

The replacement bar has now been raised. Yeah they need younger replacements for some player but you are talking about better then Nene or better the Okafor or Trevor A now. Not just a warm body. You are also talking about player that fit personality wise. All three of those players are solid locker room players.

The standard of replacement is now a lot higher.

A young defensive athletic tall big like Noel does seem like a pretty nice replacement for Okafor longer term. Then you would have time to find a Nene replacement and an eventual starting quality SF to replace Trevor A while Webby moves to back up SF

If they can't get Noel, I could actually see them considering Len or even a Plumlee. Or the can get a Withey and Burke. And there is always Pierre as a camp invite if he isn't drafted or as a 2nd round pick.
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Post#295 » by jivelikenice » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:55 pm

Up until a week ago I was thinking a $4 MM offer was best case. The problem w/ that type of offer is he may find it insulting and search for a full MLE offer from another team and would likely find someone who could offer it. The other issue is if we keep up this strong play and lowball him we risk alienating the players on the roster who seem to get along great with him. If we approach him off the bat with that offer, I'd be pretty confident in him taking it. He may want more than that, but given his health issues and his dependency on a good point to get open looks, I don't think it would be prudent to go beyond that. Hopefully he comes to the table with realistic expectations and it can be a quick deal.
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Post#296 » by Rafael122 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:40 pm

Already exchanged tweets with someone who said we should offer him 5 years/$40 million for him. Crazy. I'm all for re-signing him but we have to be really careful about the $ especially with Wall due for an extension soon. 2 yr/$9 million deal or something of that ilk is enough. Contract year, he never really produced at this rate in his entire career. Could be a late bloomer or it could be a mirage.
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Post#297 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:15 pm

How about 5M and then 4M as an option.

Gives him the full MLE next year which he earned. If he keeps it up, they can resign him for more the second year on an extended contract or he can leave if he wants. If not, he still gets 4M the 2nd year.

He is most likely the start next year if he stays for 5M take care of that.

I wouldn't do any more then a 2 or 3 year deal either way.
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Post#298 » by Rafael122 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:28 pm

hands11 wrote:How about 5M and then 4M as an option.

Gives him the full MLE next year which he earned. If he keeps it up, they can resign him for more the second year on an extended contract or he can leave if he wants. If not, he still gets 4M the 2nd year.

He is most likely the start next year if he stays for 5M take care of that.

I wouldn't do any more then a 2 or 3 year deal either way.


Also something to consider, if Ariza doesn't opt out. Say we draft Porter. That's $17+ million tied up in one position.
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Post#299 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:41 pm

We can't offer 5 years $40M. He don't have the cap room. Our best offer is 4 years $21M using the MLE.

I doubt we'll draft Porter. We're probably going to end up picking in the 7-10 range. Porter will be gone. We'll probably take a project big like Len or Austin. Maybe we take Zeller. We'll have to see what happens after the measurements. The draft board will probably get shaken up quite a bit then.
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Post#300 » by mhd » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:07 pm

nate33 wrote:We can't offer 5 years $40M. He don't have the cap room. Our best offer is 4 years $21M using the MLE.

I doubt we'll draft Porter. We're probably going to end up picking in the 7-10 range. Porter will be gone. We'll probably take a project big like Len or Austin. Maybe we take Zeller. We'll have to see what happens after the measurements. The draft board will probably get shaken up quite a bit then.



If the draft were held today (Using current standings):
1) Bobcats-Noel (Bobcats can tank again next year for Wiggins and allow Noel plenty of time to rehab)
2) Orlando-Smart (need a PG)
3) Suns-Mclemore (need a scoring wing)
4) New Orleans-Porter (perfect fit as a need and BPA)
5) Cavs-Zeller (go with the Zeller brothers)
6) Pistons-Shabaaz (need a go-to scorer)
7) Kings-Olapido (fits a huge need)
8) Minny-Len (No good wings left, take BPA and won't take Bennett with Love on roster)
9) Wiz-Bennett (I doubt he falls here, but maybe he does)

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