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Post#61 » by NYK 455 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:35 am

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NYK 455 wrote:Lin is legit, I think he's turned the corner. I always thought Linsanity was the real deal.

You guys have the best backcourt in the NBA, even over Nash/Kobe

um no

and neither are Kobe/Nash


Who then? Curry/Thompson? I'd take them over Curry/Thompson.
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Post#62 » by Guy986 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:41 am

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Guy986 wrote:Wow what a game by Lin. Player of the game goes to him.

With Lin's recent strong play i'm more and more convinced that we are just a solid PF away from being a real scary team.

as long as it isn't josh smith

I am not totally unconvinced (tonight excluded) that d-mo couldn't be that player with a little more growth and getting used to the pro level. he has the post game, he can shoot the 3 (at least he can even though he is 1-11 on his last 12), he plays with a lot of effort

he could turn into a really good player, and I just don't know who would be worth it to piss him off by benching him for....smith? please god no, millsap? I like him but I don't know if d-mo couldn't be better in a year or 2, Jefferson? same as millsap, landry? rather d-mo's potential

who else is there?


Dmo isn't a good 3pt shooter though. He has 3pt range but he's not a serious threat. All you have to see is his career FT%.

He shot 17% from 3 in the dleague this year.
He shot 15% last year in Europe.

I dont think Dmo is a natural shooter. The only reason why he's starting(besides the obvious fact that we have no competent 4) right now is because he can stretch the floor.

I'm absolutely not convinced Dmo is ready to be a starting PF on a contending team.
He can be a 15mpg kinda guy off the bench behind Josh Smith, Aldridge, Love. :pray:

IMO Dmo has potential to be real good, 3 4 or 5 years down the line. But i'm ready to see a contending team next year.

Slight spacing issue aside, i think Josh SMith would be a massive upgrade over what we have right now. I'm warming up to him to be honest.
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Post#63 » by 90sAllDecade » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:43 am

If you include offense/defense, I'd take Harden/Lin over 34yo Kobe/38 yo Nash. If you include health it's no contest really.

When Lin plays well, I'd take them over Setph Curry/Klay Thompson too.
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Post#64 » by madbucky » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:49 am

madbucky wrote:I have a bad feeling that Gordon Howard is going to go off on us

yep, 27 pts (9-15), 8 rebs for Howard.

Even though the 4th quarter wasn't an ideal finish, at least McHale let the starters work through it and they held on.

Once again, I was not a fan of the Harden iso with 30 seconds left, where he dribbles out the clock and pops a 3 ptr. That is simply not the most effective play for the Rockets. Harden shoots 37% from 3 pt range. The Rockets shoot 46% FG as a team. When you iso, the defense is in position. And when Harden missed, the long rebound led to a transition fast break for the Jazz. Why can't McHale run some designed plays for Harden? McHale should be running plays for Harden to get the ball cutting to the basket, he'll almost certainly pick up 2 FTs or an And1.

(I know that the eFG% equivalent would be 55%, but that's not relevant when it comes down to one shot at the end of the game, where 2 pts would be just as good as 3 pts).
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Post#65 » by tanm10 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:50 am

Josh smith would be a great fit.

Run the floor, shoot the OCCASIONAL 3, rebound great, really good D and shot blocking

Not to mention he is another playmaker. Best passing PF in the league.

tho rockets would have the worst FT shooting front line in the league
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Post#66 » by Guy986 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:53 am

tanm10 wrote:Josh smith would be a great fit.

Run the floor, shoot the OCCASIONAL 3, rebound great, really good D and shot blocking

Not to mention he is another playmaker. Best passing PF in the league.

tho rockets would have the worst FT shooting front line in the league


It wouldn't change anything actually with regards to FT shooting. When you add up Dleague + NBA + euroleague stats, Dmo only shoots around 60% for his career.
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Post#67 » by Guy986 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:58 am

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madbucky wrote:I have a bad feeling that Gordon Howard is going to go off on us

yep, 27 pts (9-15), 8 rebs for Howard.

Even though the 4th quarter wasn't an ideal finish, at least McHale let the starters work through it and they held on.

Once again, I was not a fan of the Harden iso with 30 seconds left, where he dribbles out the clock and pops a 3 ptr. That is simply not the most effective play for the Rockets. Harden shoots 37% from 3 pt range. The Rockets shoot 46% FG as a team. When you iso, the defense is in position. And when Harden missed, the long rebound led to a transition fast break for the Jazz. Why can't McHale run some designed plays for Harden? McHale should be running plays for Harden to get the ball cutting to the basket, he'll almost certainly pick up 2 FTs or an And1.

(I know that the eFG% equivalent would be 55%, but that's not relevant when it comes down to one shot at the end of the game, where 2 pts would be just as good as 3 pts).


Because when you run a play for someone like Harden off the ball, depending on how the opposing D plays him, theres a chance he'll get denied from even touching it. Just because you run a player doesnt mean the play will always run as the coach designed it. Theres alot of variable in things like that.

Theres a reason superstar wings always iso at the end of the game. You want to make sure they get the ball and the shot off how they want it. Lakers always iso Kobe at the end. The Bulls always iso Jordan at the end.
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Post#68 » by tanm10 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:02 am

Guy986 wrote:
tanm10 wrote:Josh smith would be a great fit.

Run the floor, shoot the OCCASIONAL 3, rebound great, really good D and shot blocking

Not to mention he is another playmaker. Best passing PF in the league.

tho rockets would have the worst FT shooting front line in the league


It wouldn't change anything actually with regards to FT shooting. When you add up Dleague + NBA + euroleague stats, Dmo only shoots around 60% for his career.


Smith shooting under 50% for the year :o
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Post#69 » by MelosSoreWrist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:15 am

NYK 455 wrote:
Zubby wrote:
NYK 455 wrote:Lin is legit, I think he's turned the corner. I always thought Linsanity was the real deal.

You guys have the best backcourt in the NBA, even over Nash/Kobe

um no

and neither are Kobe/Nash


Who then? Curry/Thompson? I'd take them over Curry/Thompson.

Parker and Ginobli?
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greenhughes wrote:I hope Melo leaves and wins a championship and rubs it all in our face.

How does that make you better than the Lin, Gallo, and Wil fans who root for them over NY?
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Post#70 » by texasholdem » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:33 am

madbucky wrote:
madbucky wrote:I have a bad feeling that Gordon Howard is going to go off on us

yep, 27 pts (9-15), 8 rebs for Howard.


It's Gordon HAYward
Harden is still a work-in-progress. He can score, but he can't help his teammate that much - Yao Ming
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Post#71 » by Aaron Brooks » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:41 am

watching the game right now
baki wrote:Harden is essentially a very good role player, he's not a franchise player.
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Post#72 » by 90sAllDecade » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:44 am

MelosSoreWrist wrote:Parker and Ginobli?

Now that is a pair, even at this age, I might consider taking over them. I haven't watched enough Spurs games to say for sure though.

Ginobilli is playing almost a near bottom for his career low in minutes, while Lin is playing almost ten minutes more per game and played every game. And I don't know if there has been a significant drop off in his ability at age 35, Basically I don't know if he's better than Lin for 35 minutes in the playoffs yet at this point. (assuming we make it of course)
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Post#73 » by Hodges4Three » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:46 am

Zubby wrote:
NYK 455 wrote:Lin is legit, I think he's turned the corner. I always thought Linsanity was the real deal.

You guys have the best backcourt in the NBA, even over Nash/Kobe

um no

and neither are Kobe/Nash


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Post#74 » by rocketsballin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:46 am

james had no field goals in the 2nd half. in the 3rd quarter only had one point! wtf happened to him?

lin had ab allin game, but that 4th qtr was terrible
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Post#75 » by madbucky » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:04 am

Guy986 wrote:Because when you run a play for someone like Harden off the ball, depending on how the opposing D plays him, theres a chance he'll get denied from even touching it. Just because you run a player doesnt mean the play will always run as the coach designed it. Theres alot of variable in things like that. Theres a reason superstar wings always iso at the end of the game. You want to make sure they get the ball and the shot off how they want it.


Good points. I guess then I just want Harden to drive to the hole a lot more often from his iso's rather than long range jumpers. It seems that at the end of game iso's, Harden almost always take the jumper. When you have a 17-18 FT game, you should be driving it in a critical situation. With Harden's skills, he can score 3 pts more easily that way.
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Post#76 » by kam_soluusar » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:33 am

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Post#77 » by adrenaLINe » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:13 pm

madbucky wrote:
Guy986 wrote:Because when you run a play for someone like Harden off the ball, depending on how the opposing D plays him, theres a chance he'll get denied from even touching it. Just because you run a player doesnt mean the play will always run as the coach designed it. Theres alot of variable in things like that. Theres a reason superstar wings always iso at the end of the game. You want to make sure they get the ball and the shot off how they want it.


Good points. I guess then I just want Harden to drive to the hole a lot more often from his iso's rather than long range jumpers. It seems that at the end of game iso's, Harden almost always take the jumper. When you have a 17-18 FT game, you should be driving it in a critical situation. With Harden's skills, he can score 3 pts more easily that way.


im thinking Harden drives less because the Refs tend to allow more contact near the end of games...

but yes a 17 to 18 foot shot at the end of your ISO is not the most Ideal...

id rather see Lin with the ball.. Harden with the pick and and role but to the 3 point line where id rather see him shoot a 3 pointer hopefully with some space... rather than a contested long 2

its almost guaranteed the Rox make it into the playoffs there is going to be at least 1 game where Harden gets murdered on the drives and the Refs dont call anything

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