"It's Mo Williams, Stupid"

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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#21 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:31 pm

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SoCalJazzFan wrote:Mo does not work well with the Al iso, in my opinion, either as he refuses to dump it into Al early in the clock and sit back on the opposite side of the court


I've never understood why the Jazz have everyone vacate Al's side of the court when they dump the ball into him on the left block. My suspicion is they think it makes it harder to double him, but teams seem to double him any way and then there's no one in Al's cone of vision for him to pass to.


i completely agree. so many times there is a whole empty section above al which is wasted, and i'm thinking "why is there no one there to be ready to catch a direct pass and shoot the 3?". the way it is now, al have to throw a diagonal pass which is way more risky and hard. and it doesn't make it harder to double team him, because the help on al usually comes from the weak side anyway.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#22 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:52 pm

reapaman wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/55065924-87/jazz-corbin-utah-offense.html.csp

Well heres a article from before the season started on corbin's definition of pushing the pace. Basically he said it will be the same as last year but he wants more transition (sometimes refered to as "easy") baskets. No drastic changes. He said we will still be basically the same team as last year which was mainly a half court team. They will run the same offense that they did last year and Mo agreed, theres even quotes in the article saying that he was not gonna lead the offense differently that how it was before. This is why I know he didn't tell Mo to do what he's doing. He's just putting up with it. He may be fine with it but that doesn't mean that he wants him to play like that.

Its all right there, corbin saying he wasn't gonna change much at all and Mo agreeing. Dang you MO!!!


that article just makes corbin look worse imho:

"If things are going well, we may push it a little bit more. We have some guys who are pretty good in open court, so they’ll get an opportunity to attack early."


that only happens when the C4 are playing, and they are coming off the bench. when was the last time you saw a successful fast breaks with our starting lineup of vets? mo, foye, al all suck at running the fast break or running at all. they make horrible passes. marvin is average at best. millsap is just ok. and those are your starters. C4+pg run a lot, much because the opportunities their defense creates, yet they are bench players.

"In half-court sets, we want to be a lot crisper in the things we do," he said. "The sets will be primarily the same, but we have some different options we’re looking at having."


well, that didn't work either, did it? the offense is just a mess and much worse than last year. definitely not crispier, and this time he had the time to prepare.


Corbin wants the Jazz to bump the tempo — depending on the situation, of course — and he’ll use the final three weeks before the start of the regular season to fine-tune the strategy.


so he basically wasted three weeks of preparation time on something he can't execute with the lineups he puts out there. and he wasted three weeks on preparation on something the team ends up not doing this season.


"We have more time in practice — more time to get guys used to what we’re trying to do," he said. "That will help us get to the third, fourth and fifth options on some plays. So we will be more expanded that way."

During the offseason, the Jazz acquired veterans Mo Williams, Marvin Williams and Randy Foye. They drafted Kevin Murphy in the second round. All are shooters, and Corbin believes a quicker offensive with more options will benefit all four.

"You need options in this league," Corbin said. "Teams scout you, and they know your sets. They take one thing away from you, then you have to get to a second or third thing that you feel good about. If you do that, you have a better chance of winning."


so he wanted to get into the offense quicker, yet we get into the offense extremely late in the shot clock most of the time, after many needless dribbles from mo and watson. tell me how this is not 100% fixable and 100% coaching.


he wants to get to 3rd, 4th and 5th options during an offensive possession. how many times did that actually happen this season? how is that not related to coaching?

i remember so many articles about the jazz going to increase the tempo, including locke talking about it quite a bit. this article is a very moderate example of how it was being talked and emphasized back then. i even remember the pre season games when the jazz were actually pushing the tempo. and the opposing team's broadcasters on all occasions mentioned that the jazz are playing at an extremely high pace and that they are pushing it every chance they get. it didn't last much after the pre season ended.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#23 » by StocktonShorts » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:11 am

Good to see Mo only got 24 minutes against the Rockets; the Jazz made their big run to make it respectable with him on the bench. Maybe Corbin will learn from this.












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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#24 » by Hoops Addict » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:14 am

Mo's defense is very weak...a liability.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#25 » by Nate505 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:44 am

The dynamic backcourt of Mo and Foye have shot a whole 30% since Mo's return.

Yet they continue to start. Tells you a lot about the braintrust that is the head coach.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#26 » by Nate505 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:46 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
that article just makes corbin look worse imho:


Didn't think it was physically possible for Corbin to look worse.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#28 » by Paper Face » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:46 am

StocktonShorts wrote:I've never understood why the Jazz have everyone vacate Al's side of the court when they dump the ball into him on the left block. My suspicion is they think it makes it harder to double him, but teams seem to double him any way and then there's no one in Al's cone of vision for him to pass to.


It's because the Jazz don't believe in the corner 3. If they did, life would be a lot easier for Al.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#29 » by Nate505 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:42 am

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StocktonShorts wrote:I've never understood why the Jazz have everyone vacate Al's side of the court when they dump the ball into him on the left block. My suspicion is they think it makes it harder to double him, but teams seem to double him any way and then there's no one in Al's cone of vision for him to pass to.


It's because the Jazz don't believe in the corner 3. If they did, life would be a lot easier for Al.


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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#30 » by SoCalJazzFan » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:03 am

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StocktonShorts wrote:I've never understood why the Jazz have everyone vacate Al's side of the court when they dump the ball into him on the left block. My suspicion is they think it makes it harder to double him, but teams seem to double him any way and then there's no one in Al's cone of vision for him to pass to.


It's because the Jazz don't believe in the corner 3. If they did, life would be a lot easier for Al.


Apparently, Marvin's highest % of FG made is from the left corner. Wouldn't camping Marvin there as Al gets doubled on that left block he loves be a perfect opportunity for an outside pass?? It seems that the Rockets used to do it all the time with Hakeem, dump it in, he would score or dump it out for a 3. The Jazz, on the other hand, don't position the outside shooters for an easy pass from Al. This has nothing to do with Mo, but I honestly don't get it.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#31 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:27 am

the problem in putting a player in the corner is this:

al is on the low left block. he is looking right - to the middle. the defense usually sends help from the middle to force him baseline. so that's where the double team usually comes from (meaning - from the middle). if you put marvin (or any player) in the left corner, al will be triple teamed. the defender on the left corner has only a short distance to cover in order to get to al, who is looking to his right - to the middle. it makes him vulnerable for a steal from the corner defender who guards marvin, who will be coming from al's blind side to where al is exposing the ball (since he is shielding it from his defender on the opposite side). and since the distance from the corner to the left block is short - even if al passes the ball out to marvin in the corner - the defender can recover and still prevent a shot from the corner or really bother it.

what i don't like is the rotation on the 3pt line on the left elbow - that's where a shooter needs to be, but instead the jazz sends everyone to the right side and forcing al to make a tough pass. in that case, more often than not, he is smart not to pass the ball since it could easily be picked off and even if he makes it, the right side of the floor is so loaded with players that the shooters don't have the room to get off a shot next to all the defenders.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#32 » by reapaman » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:37 am

Why not just do what orlando did the year they went to the finals. Start Mo-Foye-Hayward-Marvin-Al. Here you have 4 guys who can all shoot from long range at least decently and a couple of them are decent enough at attacking the basket when needed. Just spread them out with Al in the middle and hope your shots fall.

Yes some teams are gonna just take the risk and leave the shooters open at times and harrass Al but that style got orlando to the finals so it does work. That makes alot more sense then flooding one side of the floor, that makes it tougher on everyone.
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Re: "It's Mo Williams, Stupid" 

Post#33 » by StocktonShorts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:27 am

Because Al doesn't look for shooters.
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