Gerald Henderson

ComboGuardCity · Post #141 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:34 pm

Sik Infant wrote:We were only shopping him for the right price.

There was a rumor in the WT that no contender was willing to give up a 1st round pick for him.

Elden Payton · Post #142 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:26 am

Yeah we wanted a mid first plus borderline prospect or vet + late first was the rumour and not even a single team wanted to give up a late first...

I think we were speaking to the contenders because Cho & Co would want to do right by Hendo, this is a business but generally the Bobcats abide by southern hospitality.

Hendo is very underrated and I hope despite his second half of the season it stays that way, we want him on the cheap because he doesn't stay aggressive for 82 games, if he did he's a borderline all-star imo, people are talking about his scoring lately but he is also rebounding exceptionally well, racking up assists and playing crazy D.

I actually think Hendo would suit Detroit better than Ellis and depending on what you want Mayo (provided Hendo is still shooting 37+% from 3)

Hendo will bring the better defense, rebounding, mid range game and toughness for less money, obviously he is not as good a scorer but we would have to see if this play holds up next season.

Offensively Hendo gets tunnel vision at times but he does move the ball around (most of the time) he is a great finisher and has elite athleticism, his handle has improved to the point where he can beat a double team of the dribble, he is clutch and is amazing playing off the ball, pulling up, spotting up and catch and shoot under pressure in the midrange are his specialty.

He is one tough SOB, isn't scared of anyone and will throw elbows if needed, exactly what you want on a bad team who wants respectability.

Elden Payton · Post #143 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:30 am

I should say I mean Charlotte is the bad team who wants respectability, we will play hard ball with him this offseason but everyone involved wants him to be back in CLT.

Post #144 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:32 am

Even in this, which is his best year yet, he's still an inefficient scorer. If you want a roleplayer who can hit mid-range Js and (at least based on this year) stick a three, great, but there's no sense in giving up picks in order to get him when he does only that and basically nothing else of consequence.

That said, if you're replacing garbage like Ellis, it makes a lot of sense.

Beardman · Post #145 » by **Beardman** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:34 am

chiefkeef wrote:all i know is this guy has a 92 midrange on 2k and it's annoying and fake af

There are other attributes that balance out the 92 midrange, his consistency, shot in traffic etc. will be pedestrian.

Beardman · Post #146 » by **Beardman** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:36 am

When you model your game after Kobe then you're bound to break out of scrub status at one point. Trust me i've watched DeMar adopt a post game to mirror his idol and now he's above average offensively.

Elden Payton · Post #147 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:36 am

Beardman wrote:
chiefkeef wrote:all i know is this guy has a 92 midrange on 2k and it's annoying and fake af

There are other attributes that balance out the 92 midrange, his consistency, shot in traffic etc. will be pedestrian.

People still don't understand the 2k ratings.

Beardman · Post #148 » by **Beardman** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:41 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Beardman wrote:
chiefkeef wrote:all i know is this guy has a 92 midrange on 2k and it's annoying and fake af

There are other attributes that balance out the 92 midrange, his consistency, shot in traffic etc. will be pedestrian.

People still don't understand the 2k ratings.

I don't blame them, it is kinda hard to grasp.

(although long time fans should know the system by now)

Post #149 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:45 am

Beardman wrote:I don't blame them, it is kinda hard to grasp.

(although long time fans should know the system by now)

The system is still poor and gives too much credence to athleticism in the overall ratings.

Elden Payton · Post #150 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:45 am

tsherkin wrote:Even in this, which is his best year yet, he's still an inefficient scorer. If you want a roleplayer who can hit mid-range Js and (at least based on this year) stick a three, great, but there's no sense in giving up picks in order to get him when he does only that and basically nothing else of consequence.

That said, if you're replacing garbage like Ellis, it makes a lot of sense.

Fair enough he's a supposedly inefficient scorer (on a horifically inefficient team) but his season has been a tale of two halves really for him, his first half of the season was pedestrian and his second half has been terrific.

He is averaging 15.24/3.76/2.41/0.97/0.51 in 30.6 mpg. per 36 he is solid and defensively he is solid. His percentages are .449 fg, .378 3fg, 0.821 ft.

Efficient enough for a SG.

You've nailed my point though tsherkin that yes if you want a guy that does a bit of everything, is a good shooter and willingly plays defense for 5-7m then Hendo is your guy and my point was I would rather do that than pay Ellis 10-12m or Mayo 10-12m.

Elden Payton · Post #151 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:48 am

tsherkin wrote:
Beardman wrote:I don't blame them, it is kinda hard to grasp.

(although long time fans should know the system by now)

The system is still poor and gives too much credence to athleticism in the overall ratings.

Agreed but I still can't grasp how many longterm fans don't understand why Dirk is rated 83 and Jefferson is 84 etc.

Beardman · Post #152 » by **Beardman** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:48 am

tsherkin wrote:
Beardman wrote:I don't blame them, it is kinda hard to grasp.

(although long time fans should know the system by now)

The system is still poor and gives too much credence to athleticism in the overall ratings.

I won't disagree. Vertical and athleticism has too much impact on player performance during gameplay ...Exhibit A : Gerald Green.

Post #153 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:49 am

Beardman wrote:When you model your game after Kobe then you're bound to break out of scrub status at one point. Trust me i've watched DeMar adopt a post game to mirror his idol and now he's above average offensively.

Mmmm... Were he permitted to USE the post game more frequently, sure. He's still 2% below league average TS and almost 3 points below league-average ORTG (and that close only because he's good about not turning the ball over). He's a marginal passer without 3pt range and a fairly pedestrian finishing ability between the rim and the foul line. He's posting almost 18 ppg, but I don't know how far above average I'd really be claiming him as being, given all that. He's not worth the usage rate he's got right now, not the way he's being employed. He attacks well in transition and he's good when he gets a full head of steam going to rim, plus he's got a solid long jumper when he gets a good pass, but his handle is underwhelming, he's league average at drawing fouls (which is mediocre for a significant volume scorer)...

I mean, he underwhelms in almost every category besides dunk highlights. Bleh, not a great comparison, although again, in Demar's favor, Casey is stupid.

Post #154 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:49 am

Beardman wrote:I won't disagree. Vertical and athleticism has too much impact on player performance during gameplay ...Exhibit A : Gerald Green.

Yeah, grrr. Vertical is perhaps the single-most overrated trait in basketball, in the video game and otherwise.

ComboGuardCity · Post #155 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:49 am

Speed + 3s + Vertical is the formula for 2K star.

Elden Payton · Post #156 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:51 am

Also my point tsherkin, I really like Derozan but is he worth 9.5m for as you described "underwhelming".

Beardman · Post #157 » by **Beardman** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:51 am

tsherkin wrote:
Beardman wrote:When you model your game after Kobe then you're bound to break out of scrub status at one point. Trust me i've watched DeMar adopt a post game to mirror his idol and now he's above average offensively.

Mmmm... Were he permitted to USE the post game more frequently, sure. He's still 2% below league average TS and almost 3 points below league-average ORTG (and that close only because he's good about not turning the ball over). He's a marginal passer without 3pt range and a fairly pedestrian finishing ability between the rim and the foul line. He's posting almost 18 ppg, but I don't know how far above average I'd really be claiming him as being, given all that. He's not worth the usage rate he's got right now, not the way he's being employed. He attacks well in transition and he's good when he gets a full head of steam going to rim, plus he's got a solid long jumper when he gets a good pass, but his handle is underwhelming, he's league average at drawing fouls (which is mediocre for a significant volume scorer)...

I mean, he underwhelms in almost every category besides dunk highlights. Bleh, not a great comparison, although again, in Demar's favor, Casey is stupid.

I wonder though, how much some of the marginal improvement as of late could be credited to Gay's presence.

Post #158 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:52 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Speed + 3s + Vertical is the formula for 2K star.

100%

Rush out in transition and bomb 3s and you're a king. You don't even need quickness for the lateral attack from the dribble. Blech.

HornetJail · Post #159 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:53 am

I'm interested to see where you guys would rank Hendo among all other SG's in the league.

Post #160 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 12:54 am

Beardman wrote:I wonder though, how much some of the marginal improvement as of late could be credited to Gay's presence.

What improvement? He looks basically identical to last season, except when he's permitted to post. A little more aggressive occasionally, but third year in a row, he looks pretty much the same. Nothing special is happening in his game and even the post game won't matter that much if his usage increases there. Not unless it's TRULY special, like good enough to be the foundational component of his offensive approach.