Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

MagicStarwipe · Post #1421 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 11:58 pm

I'd be ecstatic with Parker. Need to see more of Wiggins. We really need to be bad next season.

magicfan217 · Post #1422 » by **magicfan217** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 12:37 am

Draft Noel and he doesn't even play part of the year...helping us stay "bad" enough to land a top 3 pick again!

Post #1423 » by **UCF** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 12:42 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
UCF wrote:While I enjoy every lakers loss... I do hope they make the playoffs for the Magic's sake. In order for the Magic to eventually get their first round pick, I believe I remember hearing that 2 out of 3 years they have to make it. A first round sweep by the Spurs or ideally the Thunder will be equally as satisfying.

No reason to root for the Lakers. There is no possible way they don't give a 1st rounder to Suns this year, it's impossible, there is no scenario that exists where they keep the pick.

2nd, we get the Lakers' pick two years after they give their 2015 1st rounder to the Suns, not the 2013. It's only top 5 protected in 2015, top 3 in 2016 and 2017, very likely we get their pick in 2017.

Not entirely true...
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... ward-trade

If they don't make the playoffs at least once in the next three years we end up with two second round picks.

toquito · Post #1424 » by **toquito** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:12 am

Noel sitting out won't make us suck it's probably the other way around. A 19 year old with super raw offence and a whole NBA learning curve ahead of him playing would be a hell of a lot better than having a Vet like Big Baby starting every game. Even Kyle o Quinn would probably contribute to team success more than a rookie Noel. And if we drafted Smart/Burke, there's no way in hell they'll do better than Nelson in their rookie season. They'll get rid of moore though but that's about it. I'd be more worried about our young guys improving drastically.

pogiro · Post #1425 » by **pogiro** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:21 am

magicfan217 wrote:Draft Noel and he doesn't even play part of the year...helping us stay "bad" enough to land a top 3 pick again!

It's what I'm hoping for. I wouldn't mind sitting Noel for the whole year, prep his knees for the rigors of the NBA.

Draft Noel in 12-13. Get Jabari or Wiggins in 13-14. Get John Wall 14-15.

PG - Wall
SG - Wiggins
SF - Tobias
PF - Noel
C - Vucevic
Bench: Harkless backing up the 2 & 3, Nelson? Udrih?, Nicholson, K.O'Q

Would be sick.

londoncollin · Post #1426 » by **londoncollin** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:39 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:I'd be ecstatic with Parker. Need to see more of Wiggins. We really need to be bad next season.

Yep. We need to draft in the top five.

Neon1 · Post #1427 » by **Neon1** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:43 am

Do we NOT have two 1st rounders in 2014? As far as i remember we have whichever is the worse pick of Denver's 1st and New York's pick. Why is nobody talking two picks next year?

Post #1428 » by **Bensational** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:56 am

magicfan217 wrote:Draft Noel and he doesn't even play part of the year...helping us stay "bad" enough to land a top 3 pick again!

we've got 3 talented young guys on the floor right now, and we're not winning games. i'm not convinced any of this year's players are a big enough difference maker to stop us from sucking. our veterans are the ones who will do that (BBD/AA/Jameer).

even if Smart/Burke/McCollum were as good as Lillard, they won't win us too many games. but i'd rather have one of them performing that well, raising their value, so we've got the potential to trade into the top 3 if, by chance, we luck out. Noel sitting out for a good chunk of the season won't do anything to raise his value.

but we gotta trade 2 of AA/BBD/Jameer. thankfully, our young guys have shown that they've got good heads, and don't need as much veteran leadership. Moe seems to have really taken something away from working with JJ, whom I think would've been the best veteran leader, so it's obviously useful to have them around - just not too many, and not at the expense of a better chance at a good draft pick.

MasterGMer · Post #1429 » by **MasterGMer** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:59 am

Neon1 wrote:Do we NOT have two 1st rounders in 2014? As far as i remember we have whichever is the worse pick of Denver's 1st and New York's pick. Why is nobody talking two picks next year?

I thought Denver's 1st was for 2015

Neon1 · Post #1430 » by **Neon1** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:40 am

MasterGMer wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Do we NOT have two 1st rounders in 2014? As far as i remember we have whichever is the worse pick of Denver's 1st and New York's pick. Why is nobody talking two picks next year?

I thought Denver's 1st was for 2015

The lesser of Denver/New York in 2014
Pretty sure Philly was 2015
and Lakers 2017 or whereabouts

Maybe im wrong.

Neon1 · Post #1431 » by **Neon1** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:44 am

2013 second round draft pick from Golden State
Golden State's own 2013 2nd round pick to Orlando via Denver and New York. [Golden State - New York, 7/9/2010 and then Denver - Minnesota - New York, 2/22/2011 and then Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2014 first round draft pick from Denver
Orlando receives the least favorable of Denver's own 2014 1st round pick and New York's own 2014 1st round pick via Denver [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's own 2015 1st round pick to Orlando two years after Philadelphia satisfies their obligation to convey a 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2015 NBA Draft, top-14 protected in 2016, top-11 protected in 2017 and top-8 protected in the 2018 NBA Draft.). If Philadelphia does not send Orlando a first round pick by the 2018 NBA Draft, they Philadelphia shall convey their own 2018 and 2019 second round picks to Orlando. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2015 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round draft pick to Orlando (Top-40 Protected). If The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round pick is within the top-40 selections, then The L.A. Lakers' obligation to Orlando shall be extinguished. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2017 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers' own 2017 1st round draft pick to Orlando two years after The L.A. Lakers satisfy their obligation to send Phoenix a first round pick.(Top-5 Protected in the 2017 NBA Draft, top-5 protected in 2018 and unprotected in the 2019 NBA Draft. If The L.A. Lakers' cannot satisfy their obligation to send Phoenix a first round pick by the 2017 NBA Draft, then the L.A. Lakers will convey their own second round picks in 2017 and 2018 to Orlando. [L.A. Lakers - Orlando, 8/10/2012]

Noonskadoodle · Post #1432 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:23 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T48tM9IejOw[/youtube]

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #1433 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 5:51 am

Neon1 wrote:
2013 second round draft pick from Golden State
Golden State's own 2013 2nd round pick to Orlando via Denver and New York. [Golden State - New York, 7/9/2010 and then Denver - Minnesota - New York, 2/22/2011 and then Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2014 first round draft pick from Denver
Orlando receives the least favorable of Denver's own 2014 1st round pick and New York's own 2014 1st round pick via Denver [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's own 2015 1st round pick to Orlando two years after Philadelphia satisfies their obligation to convey a 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2015 NBA Draft, top-14 protected in 2016, top-11 protected in 2017 and top-8 protected in the 2018 NBA Draft.). If Philadelphia does not send Orlando a first round pick by the 2018 NBA Draft, they Philadelphia shall convey their own 2018 and 2019 second round picks to Orlando. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2015 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round draft pick to Orlando (Top-40 Protected). If The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round pick is within the top-40 selections, then The L.A. Lakers' obligation to Orlando shall be extinguished. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

2017 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers' own 2017 1st round draft pick to Orlando two years after The L.A. Lakers satisfy their obligation to send Phoenix a first round pick.(Top-5 Protected in the 2017 NBA Draft, top-5 protected in 2018 and unprotected in the 2019 NBA Draft. If The L.A. Lakers' cannot satisfy their obligation to send Phoenix a first round pick by the 2017 NBA Draft, then the L.A. Lakers will convey their own second round picks in 2017 and 2018 to Orlando. [L.A. Lakers - Orlando, 8/10/2012]

Ah so if Denver and NY are both in the lottery next year we get a lottery pick! :rockon:

rcklsscognition · Post #1434 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:32 am

UCF wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
UCF wrote:While I enjoy every lakers loss... I do hope they make the playoffs for the Magic's sake. In order for the Magic to eventually get their first round pick, I believe I remember hearing that 2 out of 3 years they have to make it. A first round sweep by the Spurs or ideally the Thunder will be equally as satisfying.

No reason to root for the Lakers. There is no possible way they don't give a 1st rounder to Suns this year, it's impossible, there is no scenario that exists where they keep the pick.

2nd, we get the Lakers' pick two years after they give their 2015 1st rounder to the Suns, not the 2013. It's only top 5 protected in 2015, top 3 in 2016 and 2017, very likely we get their pick in 2017.

Not entirely true...
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... ward-trade

If they don't make the playoffs at least once in the next three years we end up with two second round picks.

The Sentinel is wrong. I am not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. If the Lakers have the 6th-30th pick in the 2015 draft, it goes to Phoenix, and we are next up on the clock for the 2017 1st rounder. If it's 6-30, we get it. If not, we get 5-30 in 2018 or completely unprotected in 2019.

If by 2017 the Lakers haven't sent either their 2015, 2016, or 2017 1st rounder to the Suns, we end up with their 2nd round picks in 2017 and 2018.

MagicStarwipe · Post #1435 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:33 am

Unfortunately they'll both be playoff teams.

MoMM · Post #1436 » by **MoMM** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 11:35 am

UCF wrote:If they don't make the playoffs at least once in the next three years we end up with two second round picks.

Lakers have 7 games remaining, 5 at home, 1 at Portland and 1 at Clippers (LOL), they will make the playoffs thir year barring any injury.

Maybe in 14-15, right? Kobe could retire after next season, the sad part is that for 14-15 season they only have Nash's contract (9M) in the books, so they could re-build via FA around D12 (if resigned) + old Nash in 1 offseason.

drsd · Post #1437 » by **drsd** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:44 pm

MoMM wrote:
UCF wrote:If they don't make the playoffs at least once in the next three years we end up with two second round picks.

Lakers have 7 games remaining, 5 at home, 1 at Portland and 1 at Clippers (LOL), they will make the playoffs thir year barring any injury.

Maybe in 14-15, right? Kobe could retire after next season, the sad part is that for 14-15 season they only have Nash's contract (9M) in the books, so they could re-build via FA around D12 (if resigned) + old Nash in 1 offseason.

I guess if Orlando hope LA makes the playoffs this year and then tanks, the path would be for Howard to sign in Houston or Brooklyn. That would almost force Bryant and Nash to retire. Then what for LAL ?

..

MoMM · Post #1438 » by **MoMM** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:57 pm

drsd wrote:
MoMM wrote:
UCF wrote:If they don't make the playoffs at least once in the next three years we end up with two second round picks.

Lakers have 7 games remaining, 5 at home, 1 at Portland and 1 at Clippers (LOL), they will make the playoffs thir year barring any injury.

Maybe in 14-15, right? Kobe could retire after next season, the sad part is that for 14-15 season they only have Nash's contract (9M) in the books, so they could re-build via FA around D12 (if resigned) + old Nash in 1 offseason.

I guess if Orlando hope LA makes the playoffs this year and then tanks, the path would be for Howard to sign in Houston or Brooklyn. That would almost force Bryant and Nash to retire. Then what for LAL ?

..

Idk, they would have something like 50M to spend in 14-15 offseason, so they could lure easily 3 big FAs like Miami did... what are the FAs in that class?!?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents

PG:
Irving, Parker, Wall, Lillard, Nelson

SG:
Wade, Ellis, Liggins

SF:
Melo, Gay, LeBron, Pierce (unlikely), Deng, Granger, Hedo

PF:
Dirk (unlikely), Bosh, Duncan (unlikely), Gasol, Amare, Zach, O'Quinn

C:
Gortat, KG (unlikely), Cousins, Varejao, Vucevic

RickB-Orlando · Post #1439 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 5:02 pm

Bensational wrote:
magicfan217 wrote:Draft Noel and he doesn't even play part of the year...helping us stay "bad" enough to land a top 3 pick again!

we've got 3 talented young guys on the floor right now, and we're not winning games. i'm not convinced any of this year's players are a big enough difference maker to stop us from sucking. our veterans are the ones who will do that (BBD/AA/Jameer).

even if Smart/Burke/McCollum were as good as Lillard, they won't win us too many games. but i'd rather have one of them performing that well, raising their value, so we've got the potential to trade into the top 3 if, by chance, we luck out. Noel sitting out for a good chunk of the season won't do anything to raise his value.

but we gotta trade 2 of AA/BBD/Jameer. thankfully, our young guys have shown that they've got good heads, and don't need as much veteran leadership. Moe seems to have really taken something away from working with JJ, whom I think would've been the best veteran leader, so it's obviously useful to have them around - just not too many, and not at the expense of a better chance at a good draft pick.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that, despite sucking this year, our young players have had tremendous opportunities for growth through extended playing time. Chances are they all take a step forward next year, especially after a full summer league and training camp together. We're a team that can actually improve a good bit by simply "standing still." We'll have young players with great chances for improvement plus a number of veterans coming off injuries that are also impact players in BBD and Afflalo. Expecting us to completely suck again next year probably isn't realistic, at least not without some work.

Ahmadab · Post #1440 » by **Ahmadab** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 5:24 pm

Hennigan is at the All American game

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb ... nalds-game

Third paragraph