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Knight for Bledsoe?

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Trade Knight for Bledsoe?

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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#41 » by Lionlifer » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:19 pm

Pharaoh wrote:And if CP3 walks they'd keep Bledsoe and start him!


Great point, I didn't think of that. If CP3 walks bet he gets a new deal the next day.

Maybe I'm overly high on Bledsoe (or overly unimpressed with this draft), but I'd flip them our first for him, and figure out what to do with BK later.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#42 » by Snakebites » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:29 pm

The reason given for keeping Bledsoe has ALWAYS been fear of the off chance of CP3 walking.

I expect they WILL begin looking into trade opportunities the moment CP3 inks a new deal (all indications are that he will). I still don't think Knight is someone they'd be interested in though.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#43 » by Jodi » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:42 pm

Joe Asberry wrote:hell. yes.

are you people nuts? have you ever seen Bledsoe play actually, he is starting PG material for sure, BK is not.

:noway: The real question is, have you seen Bledsoe play?..A couple of highlight dunks and highlight blocks doesn't make someone starting material in the NBA...
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#44 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:42 am

^nice jodi


Bledsoe has been productive for one year on a good team behind the best pg in the game, and ppl are already calling him starting material. What about the 3 years before that? i am very wary of guys like OJ, Reke, and Bledsoe. they havne't proven anything and posters here want to give up assets and then pay him.


if Burke is gone by 7th, i would totally be interested in trading it for Bledsoe, but i wouldn't give any more than that
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#45 » by dan2314 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:08 am

Joe Asberry wrote:hell. yes.

are you people nuts? have you ever seen Bledsoe play actually, he is starting PG material for sure, BK is not.


how can you say he is starting PG material for sure? there is a BIG difference between starting and playing 15-20 minutes off the bench in the nba, and i cant think of a single example of a player who has had ONE good backup year and gone on to be a successful starter. i would never take that kind of gamble. this has darren collison ritten all over it.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#46 » by Uncle Mxy » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:00 pm

Jodi wrote:You all are so eagered to get a new back-court that your overvaluing Bledsoe big time...Bledsoe jump shot isnt as good as Knight's and his court vision isn't the same...Knight would look great playing behind Chris Paul and a bunch of veterans too...

I'd look great playing behind Chris Paul and a bunch of veterans. :)
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#47 » by ADflight1 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:15 pm

I'd do this in a heartbeat.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#48 » by Drummond4Prez » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:14 am

2013 second round pick, knight and english or middleton for willie green and bledsoe. its the only way the contracts work and english or middleton and would be a better fit then willie green. green and bledsoe would be better fits for the pistons.

after making that deal resignging bynum should be a must and signing corey brewer and carl landry should be a must. During the trade deadline shopping the expiring contracts of CV and stuckey could net us a potential all star.

joey d needs to be smart and plan his contracts and cap space thoroughly
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#49 » by pistontr » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:28 pm

dan2314 wrote:
Joe Asberry wrote:hell. yes.

are you people nuts? have you ever seen Bledsoe play actually, he is starting PG material for sure, BK is not.


how can you say he is starting PG material for sure? there is a BIG difference between starting and playing 15-20 minutes off the bench in the nba, and i cant think of a single example of a player who has had ONE good backup year and gone on to be a successful starter. i would never take that kind of gamble. this has darren collison ritten all over it.


collison in not worse pg than knight and bledsoe can play defense unlike collison.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#50 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:28 pm

Bledsoe is so over-rated. He plays on a great team that makes him look better than he is. His stats are even at the backup level during his starters minutes. He is a poor passer with poor court vision, but plays good defense.

Brandon Knight is already a better PG than Bledsoe.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#51 » by ImHeisenberg » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:38 pm

I'd do this swap, as a Pistons fan.

Clippers probably hang up and laugh at Dumars. They would certainly want more back. Knight is also redundant for the Clips, as they already have Jamal Crawford.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#52 » by mercury » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:27 pm

There's little question that Knight will improve... he has the drive and intellegence... however there is major doubt as to his ability to improve court vision as a PG or become less mechanic and predictable at this position.
The Pistons showed their opinion when the traded for JC and chose to start Stuckey over BK when JC went down.

At this time I'm not convinced that Knight will be a high % scorer or better than average defender at the 2... he seems ideal as a combo off the bench.

If played right we have the assets to fill the starting role at all three positions.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#53 » by Blkbrd671 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:08 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:I'd do this swap, as a Pistons fan.

Clippers probably hang up and laugh at Dumars. They would certainly want more back. Knight is also redundant for the Clips, as they already have Jamal Crawford.



:lol: want more back for what!? he hasn't done sh* to warrant such high value.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#54 » by Fan from Dade » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:57 pm

I say trade him, for anyone. He isn't being used properly and fans don't back him up. Knight averages 13,4,4 this past year. Very minimal improvement from his rookie season so folks aren't understanding his actual improvements or taking all the factors into consideration. Bledsoe isn't the player that Knight is now so go for it and let's watch the Clippers laugh after the trade because the Pistons were silly enough to let him go.

Knight has to be better and more consistent; no doubt. If you look at his performances it's easy to see why he was so off. Because he is young and maybe a little too much of a competitor. Knight was hurt ALL season; he missed 7 games when he should have missed closer to 47. He played with plantar fasciitis all year; this injury sat many guys for weeks. Also, knee injury, thigh injury, couple ankle sprains, heel issue, etc...

This makes sense to me because of the inconsist play. 25 one game and 5 the next. He seemed to play well when he was feeling good and play terrible when he wasnt. Its not like he averaged 12 ppg accross the board all year as then it would be indicative of him actually being that type of player. He either had good games and terrible games; not many middle average games. Missed layups from not getting enough lift; etc... All of the injuries were to his legs and feet. No excuses but major and I mean major factors. Look at the games, everytime he would get a string of games going and start to look to put things together then he would get injured.

Even with that; the team was 4 games or so outside of the playoffs before Calderon came in. After Calderon; not so much... The team was much better with Knight at the point but now you stick him at the 2 when he is obviously a PG and expect him to excel. Terrible decesion to move him. Fast forward; the team is terrible and not competitive with the new superstar empty stat filling PG and completely out of the playoff talk. Calderon gets a scratch and sits; Pistons finish 4-1 the last 5 games with Knight playing both the point and the 2; not just the 2.

Yes, make this trade!
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#55 » by Minas » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:09 pm

Fan from Dade wrote:I say trade him, for anyone. He isn't being used properly and fans don't back him up. Knight averages 13,4,4 this past year. Very minimal improvement from his rookie season so folks aren't understanding his actual improvements or taking all the factors into consideration. Bledsoe isn't the player that Knight is now so go for it and let's watch the Clippers laugh after the trade because the Pistons were silly enough to let him go.

Knight has to be better and more consistent; no doubt. If you look at his performances it's easy to see why he was so off. Because he is young and maybe a little too much of a competitor. Knight was hurt ALL season; he missed 7 games when he should have missed closer to 47. He played with plantar fasciitis all year; this injury sat many guys for weeks. Also, knee injury, thigh injury, couple ankle sprains, heel issue, etc...

This makes sense to me because of the inconsist play. 25 one game and 5 the next. He seemed to play well when he was feeling good and play terrible when he wasnt. Its not like he averaged 12 ppg accross the board all year as then it would be indicative of him actually being that type of player. He either had good games and terrible games; not many middle average games. Missed layups from not getting enough lift; etc... All of the injuries were to his legs and feet. No excuses but major and I mean major factors. Look at the games, everytime he would get a string of games going and start to look to put things together then he would get injured.

Even with that; the team was 4 games or so outside of the playoffs before Calderon came in. After Calderon; not so much... The team was much better with Knight at the point but now you stick him at the 2 when he is obviously a PG and expect him to excel. Terrible decesion to move him. Fast forward; the team is terrible and not competitive with the new superstar empty stat filling PG and completely out of the playoff talk. Calderon gets a scratch and sits; Pistons finish 4-1 the last 5 games with Knight playing both the point and the 2; not just the 2.

Yes, make this trade!


I agree with post except for the trade him part :lol:

Let Knight get healthy, have another offseason to get better and give him the starting PG position and I'm sure he'll deliver on his potential.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#56 » by coolness » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:27 pm

4 pages and it musta been said several times....Knight doesn't have a ton of trade value, but he does have a ton of value. He could be a potent scoring pg. Even if he is an average starter next season (15th best) that is pretty good with the crop of pg's out there. And he could keep it close against the elite pg's like Kyrie.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#57 » by Cowology » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:42 am

coolness wrote:4 pages and it musta been said several times....Knight doesn't have a ton of trade value, but he does have a ton of value. He could be a potent scoring pg. Even if he is an average starter next season (15th best) that is pretty good with the crop of pg's out there. And he could keep it close against the elite pg's like Kyrie.
I'd be shocked if he were 15th best. I wouldn't complain and would have no problems saying I was wrong...but I'd be shocked.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#58 » by MrBigShot » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:47 am

pistontr wrote:
dan2314 wrote:
Joe Asberry wrote:hell. yes.

are you people nuts? have you ever seen Bledsoe play actually, he is starting PG material for sure, BK is not.


how can you say he is starting PG material for sure? there is a BIG difference between starting and playing 15-20 minutes off the bench in the nba, and i cant think of a single example of a player who has had ONE good backup year and gone on to be a successful starter. i would never take that kind of gamble. this has darren collison ritten all over it.


collison in not worse pg than knight and bledsoe can play defense unlike collison.


Collison is like Knight without the upside.
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Re: Knight for Bledsoe? 

Post#59 » by HotelVitale » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Cowology wrote:
coolness wrote:4 pages and it musta been said several times....Knight doesn't have a ton of trade value, but he does have a ton of value. He could be a potent scoring pg. Even if he is an average starter next season (15th best) that is pretty good with the crop of pg's out there. And he could keep it close against the elite pg's like Kyrie.
I'd be shocked if he were 15th best. I wouldn't complain and would have no problems saying I was wrong...but I'd be shocked.


Woah nelly...I don't hate Knight but you realize it's an absurd expectation that he becomes a top-15 starting point next year, right? These guys are the top 12, whom he almost certainly won't be better than:
Derrick Rose Rajon Rondo Ty Lawson
Russell Westbrook Kyrie Irving Jrue Holiday
Tony Parker Damian Lillard Stephen Curry
Deron Williams John Wall Chris Paul

So to get into the top 15 he has to be better than ALL of these guys except two:

Mike Conley, 15/6 on a very very good defense-first team, 3rd in the league in steals
Br Jennings/Monta Ellis, whichever of the two MIL signs and trots out next year at point
Greivis Vasquez, who just averaged 15/9
Goran Dragic, who's had a PER of 18 the past three years (though nobody notices because PHX is terrible)
Kyle Lowry, who's had a similar PER the past three seasons
Ricky Rubio, averaging 10/8 and leading the league in steals his first two seasons
George Hill, one of the vet leaders of the East's 2nd or 3rd best team
Jeff Teague who put up 14/8 this year for a playoff team (better after the all star break)
Kemba Walker who posted 18/6 for a sh*t team
Steve Nash, who's awesome if his legs function
Plus whoever teams that are currently weak at PG get to start for them next year

So all in all...I wouldn't be betting my lunch money on BK becoming an above average starting PG next year.

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