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Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present)

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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#501 » by nate33 » Thu May 9, 2013 7:11 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Nenes worse case scenario is being inefficient offensively while being pretty good defensively, with the upside being there's the potential he showed shortly before the lockout and his Olympic runs, which were 120+ ORTG years with only a slight updtick in DRTG, meaning the best of both worlds.

I don't think Lee is worth it, as Nenes decline seems to be clearly due to injury, which explanations of a lockout year/fast paced schedule and still playing in the olympics as the reasoning, there's still at least a good chance that he could return to form, which would put him a couple of tiers above Lee at least.

I'd rather have just gotten Smoove if I was thinking about Lee. You at least get strong defense and rebounds for sure there, the extra millions being worth the health and guaranteed production in two areas where we need it most.

I don't want to touch Josh Smith given the fat, long term contract that is going to be attached to him.

I think I would trade Nene for David Lee though. Lee is a much better pick-and-pop threat and would significantly improve the spacing of our offense. He's also a year younger and has proven to be much more durable. He has missed an average of 4 games a year over the past 6 years.

The main drawback of Lee is that he doesn't really have the ability to play center without severely detracting from the defense. Trading for Lee would make a lot more sense if we ended up drafting a guy like Dieng or Adams to handle backup C minutes when Okafor sits.

Nene for Lee might work, but a better option would be to acquire a quality stretch four like Ilyasova or Anderson and run with a 3-big rotation of Anderson, Okafor and Nene off the bench.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#502 » by Dark Faze » Thu May 9, 2013 7:23 pm

I like Ilyasova. I think they don't mind giving him up since they have their future PF and C locked up in Sanders and Henson, but its going to depend on if they embrace the tank or not. If they let Reddick, Ellis, and Jennings walk then they'll probably walk away with a Jabari Parker or Wiggins next year, which would be the smart move for a quick rebuild.

Not sure that giving them any of our guys helps them in the long or short term though. We could probably get away with Ariza + This years pick for Ersan seeing as though Ariza probably doesn't hurt their tank , becomes an expiring, and it makes the contracts match, but what do you guys think about that?

Preferably they accept that deal with the pick being an unprotected 2014 pick, but I'm not sure if they go for that or not.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#503 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 9, 2013 7:24 pm

I think a stretch PF like Arnett Moutrie would be better for the Wizards on a rookie wage scale than David Lee.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#504 » by jivelikenice » Thu May 9, 2013 7:45 pm

Not a fan of the Ilyasova deal. I just don't want to touch potential '14 cap space for a "need" acquisition that will cap our future upside IMO. Add in the cost (probably the pick) and no thanks.....
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#505 » by Dark Faze » Thu May 9, 2013 8:21 pm

I don't think I do the deal for this years pick either. For next years pick though, assuming we're out of the lottery, I can't see there being a player available that can match Ilyasovas production.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#506 » by gambitx777 » Fri May 10, 2013 7:12 am

Next years draft is going to be stacked. There will be some one good their. just like this draft we should not just trade a way picks, we just need to make better picks thats all.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#507 » by LyricalRico » Sun May 12, 2013 12:42 am

Could we do something like Ariza+Vesely for Kris Humphries? Doesn't change our longterm cap situation, but gives us a solid backup PF for next year. Humphries seems to be out of favor in BKN, and Ariza would give them depth plus allow them to go small with Wallace at PF.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#508 » by montestewart » Sun May 12, 2013 1:23 am

LyricalRico wrote:Could we do something like Ariza+Vesely for Kris Humphries? Doesn't change our longterm cap situation, but gives us a solid backup PF for next year. Humphries seems to be out of favor in BKN, and Ariza would give them depth plus allow them to go small with Wallace at PF.

Is Blatche then the default starter? I'd be fine with getting Vesely somewhere else, but I kind of liked Ariza's game, especially his giving Wall another long range shooter to work with, and he's a good defense playing model for younger players. Ariza might be much happier showcasing himself in Brooklyn. I prefer some of the Nene for Humphries trade proposals more.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#509 » by mhd » Sun May 12, 2013 2:10 am

No way would I trade Ariza for Humphries. Ariza is a better player, and a superior defender.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#510 » by nate33 » Sun May 12, 2013 2:36 am

mhd wrote:No way would I trade Ariza for Humphries. Ariza is a better player, and a superior defender.

This.

Ariza >>> Humphries.
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Post#511 » by Timmaytime » Sun May 12, 2013 4:20 am

Pistons fan here, any chance you trade Wall for a package centered around Greg Monroe? Party line is that we will give you anything except our lottery pick or Drummond
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#512 » by Deeptu McPullup » Sun May 12, 2013 5:24 am

Timmaytime wrote:Pistons fan here, any chance you trade Wall for a package centered around Greg Monroe? Party line is that we will give you anything except our lottery pick or Drummond


Absolutely zero chance of this happening. At this point, the question is just if he gets a four or five year max and then if there's an ETO in the contract.

The Wizards Owner in April wrote:....what we’re going to do with John to keep him with the team for a long, long time. I think the fans would expect that to try to keep the nucleus of the team together and add around it.”


http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/54 ... bster.html

Will the Wizards give John Wall a max contract?

According to several persons with knowledge of the situation who talked with CSN Washington, all the signals point to the answer being yes.

*snip*

Wall seems certain about his future.

"Nah, I don’t plan on it," he said of becoming a restricted free agent after next season and wanting to test the market. "I like it here. This is the city where my dad was born and raised. I want to give something back and start it here. I don’t like to follow. I like to lead my own way."


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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#513 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun May 12, 2013 6:32 am

I remember not being a Wall fan his first 2 1/2 seasons. Funny how things have changed. He made a believer out of me.

I am thrilled at his desire to stay in DC to build something special as a member of the Wizards
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#514 » by Timmaytime » Sun May 12, 2013 3:31 pm

In all honesty I was just trying to gauge interest. The people on our board are all over him.. I'm sure it's nice to have a franchise player like that because the Pistons can't seem to find one if there life depended on it :roll:
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#515 » by Wizardspride » Sun May 12, 2013 4:56 pm

Timmaytime wrote:In all honesty I was just trying to gauge interest. The people on our board are all over him.. I'm sure it's nice to have a franchise player like that because the Pistons can't seem to find one if there life depended on it :roll:

This thread I assume?

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1249861

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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#516 » by nuposse04 » Sun May 12, 2013 5:29 pm

Timmaytime wrote:In all honesty I was just trying to gauge interest. The people on our board are all over him.. I'm sure it's nice to have a franchise player like that because the Pistons can't seem to find one if there life depended on it :roll:


Pistons have nothing outside of Drummond that is worth entertaining, but even then he doesn't have the value Wall has IMO. Pistons would still have to add value, but we have enough bigs (although not the upside Drummond has). There is no reason for the wiz to entertain any offer at all. You all should just go after Nate, Bledsoe or someone like that. Although I thought calderon was fine....against the wiz at least haha.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#517 » by Timmaytime » Sun May 12, 2013 10:29 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
Timmaytime wrote:In all honesty I was just trying to gauge interest. The people on our board are all over him.. I'm sure it's nice to have a franchise player like that because the Pistons can't seem to find one if there life depended on it :roll:

This thread I assume?

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1249861


that was most recently, in general we are very high on him because he has the skill set of a bad boy Piston.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#518 » by Deeptu McPullup » Mon May 13, 2013 5:40 am

A long shot, but one wonders if the Thunder would red-rover, red-rover Ibaka on over.

We could offer an anvil of a defensive win-now center on an expiring deal with bird rights, the eight pick and the ability to consume Kendrick Kontract. Tidily-bit sweeteners from amongst the 37th (pool and trade up?), Seraphin and whatever else they want are there too. Prezdelic push it over the top? I'm just sayin'.

We don't have a great rebuilding package to offer as our two best young players are core pieces and everyone else tops out at sub-marginal, so we'll be outbid in a lot of optimal get-a-vet trade situations (Cleveland will outbid us, for one).

However, we could put together a very respectable "stay competetive, take a flyer in the lottery and save money too" package. The Thunder seem very comfortable with that sort of thing as Presti loves the draft, they're contenders and presumably won't pay the tax. McCollum AND Dieng would fit right in with their MO. They let Martin walk and think about selling high on Reggie Jackson with Lamb and CJM ready to plug in.

I'd ask about Brook Lopez with a similar package too (probably a three way with Brooklyn sending the 8th out with Humphries for someone who's good now). Not at all likely, but nothing to lose in asking.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#519 » by verbal8 » Mon May 13, 2013 1:12 pm

Deeptu McPullup wrote:A long shot, but one wonders if the Thunder would red-rover, red-rover Ibaka on over.

We could offer an anvil of a defensive win-now center on an expiring deal with bird rights, the eight pick and the ability to consume Kendrick Kontract. Tidily-bit sweeteners from amongst the 37th (pool and trade up?), Seraphin and whatever else they want are there too. Prezdelic push it over the top? I'm just sayin'.


I don't think the Thunder are going to deal Ibaka. However their picks might be on the table. They have 3 picks, so the 29th or 34th might be available for moving down 4 spots. If Trey Burke slides to the Wizards spot, it might make a lot of sense for both teams. I am not sure I would let OKC move up to get Len. I am not 100% sure Len would be the best option, but OKC's interest would make me wary of missing on a budding star, although they aren't 100% in that area.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present) 

Post#520 » by Dark Faze » Mon May 13, 2013 1:57 pm

Not a big fan of looking for a PF as our defensive anchor, especially at that salary. Ibaka is one of those guys who's longevity and versatility really helps you pile up regular season wins, but then you realize he isn't particularly good at shutting anyone down when you absolutely need a win.

He can't defend a Marc Gasol. He's been bad at defending Randolph. He didn't stop Bosh in the finals. eh

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