Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[silverhill27]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

Not sure if all the salaries work on this but here it goes:

Rudy Gay
Amir Johnson
Aaron Gray

for

Emeka Okafor
Trevor Ariza
Jan Vesely
3rd pick

Wall/Beal/Gay/Johnson/Nene is a legit contender if everyone is healthy. Gay is from the Washington area which increases their chances of re-signing him.

Kyle Lowry to San Antonio for Corey Joseph, Matt Bonner, lotto-protected 2014 pick.

Demar Derozan to Atlanta for lotto-protected 2014 pick.

Start Landry Fields to tank and maximize trade value.

Amnesty Bargnani.

Develop Youth.

Tank for Wiggins. Capspace in 2014.

Joseph / ?
Ross / ?
Fields / Ariza / Kleiza
Acy / Bonner / Vesely
Valanciunas / Okafor

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

What y'all think of pawning Rudy Gay off to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the Memphis pick they received in the Speights trade (I believe it's unprotected), the 19th overall pick in this year's draft, and Tristan Thompson? So, it's two picks + Tristan Thompson for Rudy Gay.


Cleveland has the cap space to absorb a big contract like Rudy Gay.

Projected Cleveland lineup:

Irving
Waiters
Gay
Speights
Varejao/Noel

[Ukulele]

Raptors - Phoenix

Raptors: Bargnani - Ross
Phoenix: Frye - Dudley

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pgc9a8g


Raptors - Orlando

Raptors: Bargnani - Ross
Orlando: Davis - Afflalo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a7ctuat


Raptors - Sacramento

Raptors: Bargnani - Ross
Sacramento : Thorton - Thompson

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q8smwln

[eitanr]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

I think the first step in a rebuild is simply acquiring assets first. After you like your core then you think about netting cap space to add to it.

These deals may be quasi unlikely, but the value and team motives are there. These moves accomplish netting future picks and cap space anyhow as well.

Deal 1: Gay to Washington for no. 3 pick, Okafor and Ariza
Gay is from Baltimore and the wiz want to make a playoff run next season. Okafor provides depth behind Val.
Raps can use pick on wing replacement, Otto Porter...and if he's taken...Victor Oladipo.

Deal 2: 3 way. Lowry, Bargnani and Fields to LA...Gasol to Brooklyn...Hump, Brooks, lotto protected 2014 pick (or next available pick) to Toronto.

Such a deal would only happen if Howard resigns and or used as a means to convince him to stay. Lakers add the pieces that should compliment the team far better in near future. Nets want to improve and get more talent in Gasol. Raps shed some bad deals and net a solid prospect in Brooks and a pick.

Deal 3: DeRozan to PHX for Dudley and 5th pick

Suns have been known to seek a future 2 guard and if Oladipo is off the board this could be a solid route for them. Raps draft Burke with pick.

Raps lineup:
PF A. Johnson/ K. Humphries/ Q. Acy
SF O. Porter/ J. Dudley/ T. Ariza
C J. Valancuinas/ E. Okafor/ A. Gray
SG T. Ross/ M. Brooks
PG T. Burke/ FA

Not a bad future lineup with nice cap relief. Though it shows how hard a future year down is which is why sticking with gay and co is likeliest route

[RaptorReloaded]

If we blow this up and do three more years of losing to ease this forums bitching I'll still be a fan of this team but don't expect me to pay a dime to watch losing basketball.
I'd rather stick with BC's core of Gay, DeRozan, Amir, Lowry and Valanciunas plus add another border-line star and shooting. I like Smith but I've been told I'm pretty much a **** for even thinking of trying to get him

"Lets tear it down and do my idea!!" .... I would respect that approach if people were stating it as if it were their own honest opinion that is open to criticism but half of you (or a vocal minority) are touting your idea as if there is no conceivable way you could be wrong if we went that route. I do respect those views and think there is some validity to them it's just a few individuals inability to look at others thoughts and finding the positives in them.

However there are some good draft, trade idea's posters come up with where they work together to create a somewhat realistic dream situation that I and I'm sure others enjoy reading.

[Mr Loggins]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

What y'all think of pawning Rudy Gay off to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the Memphis pick they received in the Speights trade (I believe it's unprotected), the 19th overall pick in this year's draft, and Tristan Thompson? So, it's two picks + Tristan Thompson for Rudy Gay.


Cleveland has the cap space to absorb a big contract like Rudy Gay.

Projected Cleveland lineup:

Irving
Waiters
Gay
Speights
Varejao/Noel

Don't think Cleveland even considers that deal.

[Saul Goodman]

TO Orlando:
Bargnani
Ross
Klieza
Gray
Lucas


To Toronto:
Glen Davis
Al Harrington
Aaron Afflalo

[Marvin Martian]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

I think the first step in a rebuild is simply acquiring assets first. After you like your core then you think about netting cap space to add to it.

These deals may be quasi unlikely, but the value and team motives are there. These moves accomplish netting future picks and cap space anyhow as well.

Deal 1: Gay to Washington for no. 3 pick, Okafor and Ariza
Gay is from Baltimore and the wiz want to make a playoff run next season. Okafor provides depth behind Val.
Raps can use pick on wing replacement, Otto Porter...and if he's taken...Victor Oladipo.

Deal 2: 3 way. Lowry, Bargnani and Fields to LA...Gasol to Brooklyn...Hump, Brooks, lotto protected 2014 pick (or next available pick) to Toronto.

Such a deal would only happen if Howard resigns and or used as a means to convince him to stay. Lakers add the pieces that should compliment the team far better in near future. Nets want to improve and get more talent in Gasol. Raps shed some bad deals and net a solid prospect in Brooks and a pick.

Deal 3: DeRozan to PHX for Dudley and 5th pick

Suns have been known to seek a future 2 guard and if Oladipo is off the board this could be a solid route for them. Raps draft Burke with pick.

Raps lineup:
PF A. Johnson/ K. Humphries/ Q. Acy
SF O. Porter/ J. Dudley/ T. Ariza
C J. Valancuinas/ E. Okafor/ A. Gray
SG T. Ross/ M. Brooks
PG T. Burke/ FA

Not a bad future lineup with nice cap relief. Though it shows how hard a future year down is which is why sticking with gay and co is likeliest route

WAS rejected an opportunity to give James harden a max deal last summer as well as an opportunity to grab Rudy Gay this season, so why in the world would they do this deal?

[eitanr]

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.

I think the first step in a rebuild is simply acquiring assets first. After you like your core then you think about netting cap space to add to it.

These deals may be quasi unlikely, but the value and team motives are there. These moves accomplish netting future picks and cap space anyhow as well.

Deal 1: Gay to Washington for no. 3 pick, Okafor and Ariza
Gay is from Baltimore and the wiz want to make a playoff run next season. Okafor provides depth behind Val.
Raps can use pick on wing replacement, Otto Porter...and if he's taken...Victor Oladipo.

Deal 2: 3 way. Lowry, Bargnani and Fields to LA...Gasol to Brooklyn...Hump, Brooks, lotto protected 2014 pick (or next available pick) to Toronto.

Such a deal would only happen if Howard resigns and or used as a means to convince him to stay. Lakers add the pieces that should compliment the team far better in near future. Nets want to improve and get more talent in Gasol. Raps shed some bad deals and net a solid prospect in Brooks and a pick.

Deal 3: DeRozan to PHX for Dudley and 5th pick

Suns have been known to seek a future 2 guard and if Oladipo is off the board this could be a solid route for them. Raps draft Burke with pick.

Raps lineup:
PF A. Johnson/ K. Humphries/ Q. Acy
SF O. Porter/ J. Dudley/ T. Ariza
C J. Valancuinas/ E. Okafor/ A. Gray
SG T. Ross/ M. Brooks
PG T. Burke/ FA

Not a bad future lineup with nice cap relief. Though it shows how hard a future year down is which is why sticking with gay and co is likeliest route

WAS rejected an opportunity to give James harden a max deal last summer as well as an opportunity to grab Rudy Gay this season, so why in the world would they do this deal?

i feel now gay is a better fit with Beals shooting there and the wiz on the cusp of post season contention

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Cleveland is a potential suitor for Rudy Gay imo.

[Marvin Martian]

Fit doesn't apply. WAS has shown 0 interest in acquiring a max contract wing player. Besides who anchors the paint now for WAS?

Also I do not see CLE making a deal either. Why make a deal now when they can tank again or wait 2 years (with more organic growth) and grab Gay at a much cheaper price?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Fit doesn't apply. WAS has shown 0 interest in acquiring a max contract wing player. Besides who anchors the paint now for WAS?

Also I do not see CLE making a deal either. Why make a deal now when they can tank again or wait 2 years (with more organic growth) and grab Gay at a much cheaper price?

Because they want to make the playoffs next year, since Irving is growing frustrated with all the tanking. The owner and his kid pretty much said that last night.

I think, if we hire someone like Weaver, Rudy Gay might be the first to be dealt.

[Marvin Martian]

Fit doesn't apply. WAS has shown 0 interest in acquiring a max contract wing player. Besides who anchors the paint now for WAS?

Also I do not see CLE making a deal either. Why make a deal now when they can tank again or wait 2 years (with more organic growth) and grab Gay at a much cheaper price?

Because they want to make the playoffs next year, since Irving is growing frustrated with all the tanking. The owner and his kid pretty much said that last night.

I think, if we hire someone like Weaver, Rudy Gay might be the first to be dealt.

What makes you think that? I remember hearing the same nonsense with Demarcus Cousins. Irving's "frustration" won't be an issue until his contract extension is over. That is how it is with every star player.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Fit doesn't apply. WAS has shown 0 interest in acquiring a max contract wing player. Besides who anchors the paint now for WAS?

Also I do not see CLE making a deal either. Why make a deal now when they can tank again or wait 2 years (with more organic growth) and grab Gay at a much cheaper price?

Because they want to make the playoffs next year, since Irving is growing frustrated with all the tanking. The owner and his kid pretty much said that last night.

I think, if we hire someone like Weaver, Rudy Gay might be the first to be dealt.

What makes you think that? I remember hearing the same nonsense with Demarcus Cousins. Irving's "frustration" won't be an issue until his contract extension is over. That is how it is with every star player.

Regardless, I still think they'll try to compete for a playoff spot next season.

[Mr Loggins]

Regardless, I still think they'll try to compete for a playoff spot next season.

So no way they'll trade for Gay....

[Troubadour]

Purely Hypothetical "Re-Tooling":

Toronto Receives:
Jameer Nelson
Lavoy Allen

Orlando Receives:
Spencer Hawes

Philadelphia Receives:
Andrea Bargnani

Why for Orlando?
Take a year off of Nelson's contract and add depth to the front court.

Why for Philadelphia?
Talent upgrade from Hawes to Bargnani, plus a change of scenery may result in a rejuvenated Bargnani. Conversely, Bargnani may be eaten alive by Phili fans.

Why for Toronto?
Solves the back-up PG problem and the Bargnani problem simultaneously.

Free Agency:
Carl Landry - $12M/3 years + Player Option for 4th year
Jermaine O'Neal - $2M/2 years

Lowry/Nelson
DeRozan/Ross
Gay/Anderson/Fields
Johnson/Landry
Valanciunas/O'Neal

Does that team win a championship? Probably not. Does that team make the Playoffs? Almost certainly. Unless something really shakes up the East, I believe these will be the 8 playoff teams:

Miami
Chicago
Indiana
New York
Toronto
Brooklyn
Washington
Detroit/Cleveland

Would that team beat the Knicks? It's conceivable. Would that team beat the Heat? Absolutely not, but it's still a fairly young team. In three years, Rudy Gay will be ~30, Demar will be ~26, Lowry will be ~30, Valanciunas will be ~24, and Johnson will be ~29. Other than Val, all of the starting line-up would be in their prime. That core could make a Conference Finals once the Heat dynasty breaks up haha.

[IntricateOh25]

How far off is this proposal:

Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan for Jrue Holiday and Jason Richardson

[OAKLEY_2]

Lowry/Nelson
DeRozan/Ross
Gay/Anderson/Fields
Johnson/Landry
Valanciunas/O'Neal

I could see Nelson/Afflalo completely replacing Lowry/Demar in the right structured deal.
A new GM won't be as tied to the current crop as BC.
1. Bargs amnesty now rated as better than 50/50
2. Lowry at least dangled as trade bait
3. Demar at least dangled as trade bait

How those 3 go will determine what they do with the bench depth but instead of staying put there could be some rather significant moves this offseason.

[Rapsfan07]

I'd actually love for Bargnani to be trade for some kind of useful return but that doesn't look likely.

Lowry should be able to be dealt for a good return. A team like the Jazz or Pacers would be a great landing spot since both are looking for a starting PG. I'd also look to see if we could arrange something that send Bledsoe here and Lowry somewhere else. Bottom line, Lowry should yield a talented young player on a rookie deal or a reasonable pick.

Rudy Gay will be much harder to trade. It's no secret to anybody in the NBA that he's WAY overpaid. The teams that can use him the most will most likely be contenders/playoff teams that lack the assets to give us a worthwhile deal and the teams with the assets likely won't want to trade for him.

[BleedGreen1989]

Brandon Bass/Jason Terry for Bargs