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Krapinsky · Post #461 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:47 pm

Klomp wrote:I would even include 26 if Seraphin was coming

I wouldn't because I don't think Seraphin is worth anymore than the 26th pick and we could really use a shooter with that pick.

Howard Cosell · Post #462 » by **Howard Cosell** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:54 pm

I know I'm in the minority here but I think we have to give up our 26th pick regardless in any trade moving up for Orlando 2ndd pick overall or Washington's 3rd pick overall, unless we receive back a very high value asset (which we won't).

Orlando and Washington will both receive some sort of future 2014 1st round pick from at least one other suitor. We win the bidding war with Williams + 9 + 26 if we win it at all. Many of you do not think it will be worth trading up with this cost, but I do. Oladipo or McLemore, playing with Rubio, Love & Pek will be worth it.

Post #463 » by **C.lupus** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Seraphin and #3 for Williams and the #9 is what i keep coming back to. Seems to work for both teams, depending on how much they like Williams.

Under the terms of this particular trade above Washington has to throw in another contract to make it legal. I also don't think the Twolves or any other team trying to make a deal with Washington can do it without the Wizards insisting that the other team take on Veseley....IMO.

If Saunders insist on Seraphin with Veseley we would be taking on about 1 mil more of contract (minus Williams), plus an additional $500,000l with the swaps in picks.

1,963,600 (9th) vs. $3,444,400 (3rd) vs. losing 26th pick.

1.5 extra mil for the Twoves.

Not bad.

9 + Williams + Steimsma for 3 + Seraphin + Veseley. I'd do it.

Howard Cosell · Post #464 » by **Howard Cosell** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:08 pm

C.lupus wrote:
Howard Cosell wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Seraphin and #3 for Williams and the #9 is what i keep coming back to. Seems to work for both teams, depending on how much they like Williams.

Under the terms of this particular trade above Washington has to throw in another contract to make it legal. I also don't think the Twolves or any other team trying to make a deal with Washington can do it without the Wizards insisting that the other team take on Veseley....IMO.

If Saunders insist on Seraphin with Veseley we would be taking on about 1 mil more of contract (minus Williams), plus an additional $500,000l with the swaps in picks.

1,963,600 (9th) vs. $3,444,400 (3rd) vs. losing 26th pick.

1.5 extra mil for the Twoves.

Not bad.

9 + Williams + Steimsma for 3 + Seraphin + Veseley. I'd do it.

You do it....Washington won't. Would you throw in the 26th pick?

I just do not believe Washington would ever throw in Seraphin in a to grade to go down. The man played some major minutes and will be called to do the same even if they pick a BIG with the 9th pick. The Wizards want to shore up their frontcourt in this years draft, either Porter, Bennett or with a trade (Williams). They won't have to gut their depth with picking Bennett or Porter, so they won't trade Seraphin for the pleasure of moving down in the draft. Flip and you all will have to be pleased with the following:

Washington Wizards trade their 1st Round Pick (3rd overall) + Veseley (3.4Mil) + Singleton (1.6MIl)
to the Timberwolves

Minnesota Timberwolves trade their 1st Round Pick (9th overall) + 1st Round Pick (26th overall) + Derrick Williams (5.0Mil) to the Wizards

IMO

If Flip really believes Oladipo or McLemore is the last core element to turn this sucker around he will have to outbid some suitors. Insisting on Seraphin being an asset in this particular trade is not a step in the right direction.

[RCG] · Post #465 » by **[RCG]** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:15 pm

I'm warming to the idea of taking Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #9 and Rice Jr./Crabbe/Karasev/Bullock at #26.

eyeteeth · Post #466 » by **eyeteeth** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:19 pm

[RCG] wrote:I'm warming to the idea of taking Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #9 and Rice Jr./Crabbe/Karasev/Bullock at #26.

KCP at 9 seems totally obvious.

Can anyone explain to me why McLemore is considered to be so good? I haven't watched him at all, and from what I read it seems like he could easily be a bust.

Howard Cosell · Post #467 » by **Howard Cosell** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:24 pm

[RCG] wrote:I'm warming to the idea of taking Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #9 and Rice Jr./Crabbe/Karasev/Bullock at #26.

I believe the most probable is Pope at #9

Nogueira/Whithey/Karasev at #26.

But I'm going to keep hope alive for 14 more days - OLADIPO!!!!!!

[RCG] · Post #468 » by **[RCG]** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:28 pm

eyeteeth wrote:
[RCG] wrote:I'm warming to the idea of taking Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #9 and Rice Jr./Crabbe/Karasev/Bullock at #26.

KCP at 9 seems totally obvious.

Can anyone explain to me why McLemore is considered to be so good? I haven't watched him at all, and from what I read it seems like he could easily be a bust.

KCP @ #9 - yes. i'm talking about staying put instead of moving up or down.

McLemore has above average athleticism and shooting skills with good size for an NBA SG.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHeM9WPOqEI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkgqpxe4f8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmeCnukIMcM[/youtube]

Post #469 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:38 pm

^Thats nice, he can dunk. So can Oladipo.

Post #470 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:41 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PhilErvin/status/345286983284834306[/tweet]

Krapinsky · Post #471 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:50 pm

Chad FordVerified account ‏@chadfordinsider 17 May
Nope. RT @paulmontesanti: Do any GMs/Scouts actually care about the bench press?

[RCG] · Post #472 » by **[RCG]** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Klomp wrote:^Thats nice, he can dunk. So can Oladipo.

What is the hype surrounding McLemore. His athleticism (his dunking ability got early notice) and his ability to shoot the ball.

Size: Even
Defense: Oladipo
Shooting: McLemore
Athleticism: Even
Intensity: Oladipo

That's about how it boils down. And Klomp, most NBA players can dunk. Nice observation.

Post #473 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:53 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Chad FordVerified account ‏@chadfordinsider 17 May
Nope. RT @paulmontesanti: Do any GMs/Scouts actually care about the bench press?

OK, ignore that part then

The other point of that post still remains.

Krapinsky · Post #474 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:56 pm

Size is more or less a draw. Mclemore has him by 1/4 inch barefoot. Oladipo has the longer wingspan and has him by over 20 lbs.

Krapinsky · Post #475 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:59 pm

Klomp wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Like I've been saying all along...

Mark Remme ‏@MarkRemme 36m
Flip said Zeller has more offensive game than saw at Indiana. Can face up and shoot well. Adamant he is a PF, not a C, in the NBA.

Krapinsky wrote:That means 2 guys you can probably rule out at 9.

Don't be so sure. If you watch the interview he said that there are many times where he can play as the biggest guy on the floor if the other team goes to playing a PF at the 5.

And realistically, how many true 5s are there in the league anymore? Howard, Gasol, Hibbert, Lopez, Bogut, and Bynum are about the only true 5s that I wouldn't play him against, and all of those teams go smaller with their backups.

I thought that Flip sounded like he really liked Zeller. I think its between KCP and Zeller at 9 (outside chance: Muhammad) unless they trade up for Oladipo, and going with a project player at 26.

But we can do that with Love too.

Post #476 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:00 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Size is more or less a draw. Mclemore has him by 1/4 inch barefoot. Oladipo has the longer wingspan and has him by over 20 lbs.

Yup, I would give Oladipo the advantage, if anything. 24 pounds is a big difference for two guys who are basically the same size.

Post #477 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:01 pm

[RCG] wrote: And Klomp, most NBA players can dunk. Nice observation.

I know, so why post those videos? Showed nothing unique about McLemore

Howard Cosell · Post #478 » by **Howard Cosell** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:03 pm

Maybe.....

Washington Wizards trade their 1st Round Pick (3rd overall) + Veseley (3.4Mil) + Singleton (1.6MIl) + Seraphin (2.7Mil) to the Timberwolves

Minnesota Timberwolves trade their 1st Round Pick (9th overall) + 1st Round Pick (26th overall) + Derrick Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil) to the Wizards.

Wizards take either Oladipo or Mclemore, whomever falls to them at 3rd, and we take Zeller or Len at #9+ for the Wizards. Maybe this is why Flip has been stating Zeller is a stretch 4 so profusely out in public (Wall wants a stretch 4). Wizards can put Williams at SF along with Zeller, or put Williams at the (tweener)PF with the rim protector Len. Throw in the 26th pick and I think we have a deal. We would balance out our roster with losing Ridnour and letting Stiemsma go as Seraphin would take his spot. Gelabale would also be let go and keep in mine Veseley and Singleton have only 1 more year left on their current contracts.

Wizards:

Wall - Beal - Williams - Zeller - Okafur (Len)

Timbewolves:

Rubio - Oladipo (Mclemore) - Buddinger -Love -Pek

Maybe?

Mattya · Post #479 » by **Mattya** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:32 pm

Klomp wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/PhilErvin/status/345286983284834306[/tweet]

I don't know what to read into that.

Dewey · Post #480 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:07 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:Maybe.....

Washington Wizards trade their 1st Round Pick (3rd overall) + Veseley (3.4Mil) + Singleton (1.6MIl) + Seraphin (2.7Mil) to the Timberwolves

Minnesota Timberwolves trade their 1st Round Pick (9th overall) + 1st Round Pick (26th overall) + Derrick Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil) to the Wizards.

Wizards take either Oladipo or Mclemore, whomever falls to them at 3rd, and we take Zeller or Len at #9+ for the Wizards. Maybe this is why Flip has been stating Zeller is a stretch 4 so profusely out in public (Wall wants a stretch 4). Wizards can put Williams at SF along with Zeller, or put Williams at the (tweener)PF with the rim protector Len. Throw in the 26th pick and I think we have a deal. We would balance out our roster with losing Ridnour and letting Stiemsma go as Seraphin would take his spot. Gelabale would also be let go and keep in mine Veseley and Singleton have only 1 more year left on their current contracts.

Wizards:

Wall - Beal - Williams - Zeller - Okafur (Len)

Timbewolves:

Rubio - Oladipo (Mclemore) - Buddinger -Love -Pek

Maybe?

Rube ... Oladipo ... AK47 ... Love ... Pek