Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

[IvyLeagueVet]

Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

Such as what? I love KG, his tenacity and competitive fire and I think he was a great player, but he isn't a front line player. He's on the verge of retirement and you can't tell me you would prefer to have KG for 1 more year over the names you just listed. Don't mix up KG 5 years ago with KG now.

[Waider]

Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

Such as what? I love KG, his tenacity and competitive fire and I think he was a great player, but he isn't a front line player. He's on the verge of retirement and you can't tell me you would prefer to have KG for 1 more year over the names you just listed. Don't mix up KG 5 years ago with KG now.

KG (today or 5 years ago) still brings a championship pedigree & culture to the Clippers that rubs off on the team. Same with Doc & his confidence. I think that is the attraction, pieces to show CP3 they are prepared to do what it takes to win.

KG + Doc for 2 years > Afflalo or Granger or Smith for 5 years for a team whose time is now.

Just my humble opinion.

[threrf23]

Three things:

Regarding Doc not wanting the Clipps' to give up Bledsoe, maybe that's not so bad for us. Doc gets a hard-on for lengthy PGs and Jeryl Sasser / Orien Greene are more common than Rajon Rondo. No? Sidenote, I'll be annoyed if Michael Carter-Williams falls to us and we draft him. I don't see what makes him a good prospect.

Regarding KG's worth, I agree we probably don't get back sufficient value. But this wouldn't be about that; it's about showing loyalty to PP and to a lesser extent loyalty to KG & Doc and if we get better-positioned in the process all the better.

Regarding the Blake Griffin for D12 rumor, the funny thing is the Clipps would have been able to sign CP3 & D12 outright if they hadn't given Caron Butler three years and if they had signed and traded Deandre Jordan (or otherwise traded him for expirings and draft picks). This scenario was foreseeable.

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I won't be sad if this fell through.

Though I want Doc to GTFO of Boston. What a snake.

[2Mas]

Fellas.. I need some help here.

Isn't the LAL & LAC D12 for Blake & Bledsoe trade impossible cause the Lakers are over the luxury tax?

I mean we can cause it's a straight up trade but with the Lakers being over the Lux Tax Apron, without Dwight!

So how can this work? Answers are appreciated.

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As far as the latest rumours are concerned.

The Clippers going after Afflalo or Granger, it's pressure on Ainge to settle for DJ and 2 picks.

No way they let CP go for Afflalo. If they did the Clips be Clippin, as usual.

[ermocrate]

I really don't care about this trade, no benefit for The Celtics at all beside the picks and a questionable possibility Bledsoe becomes the next MJ, we don't loose any salary and we get worst on the field... We need to trade some contracts for nothing or some guards for a big, acquire a pick or two, carry on for one more year and then rebuild with the cap cleared. If Danny can pull a trade ok if not who cares? We are certainly going to have a better team next year than this year anyway, Green will be more confident, Sully will be more healthy and with one more year of experience and Terry/Lee will be more aware of what means playing in Boston... LA can go to hell...

[2Mas]

I really don't care about this trade, no benefit for The Celtics at all beside the picks and a questionable possibility Bledsoe becomes the next MJ, we don't loose any salary and we get worst on the field... We need to trade some contracts for nothing or some guards for a big, acquire a pick or two, carry on for one more year and then rebuild with the cap cleared. If Danny can pull a trade ok if not who cares? We are certainly going to have a better team next year than this year anyway, Green will be more confident, Sully will be more healthy and with one more year of experience and Terry/Lee will be more aware of what means playing in Boston... LA can go to hell...

I agree. I still fail to understand why we can't trade Crawford for a 2nd rounder & get under the tax so we can do a Bradley Bass S&T.

We have a couple keepers.. Rondo Green Pierce Garnett Sully Terry(no value)

Why can't we take the 2 weakest links in our starting line up package them up to get a quality good big (Jeff or Smith or whoever) & run it back? Throw in Melo & a future 2nd for cap & to sweeten the deal I guess.

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Green-Terry-Vet
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That team healthy with Green & Smith/Jeff being the focal points on offense can contend. Rondo moving the rock around Green & AJ/JS being primary options & PP/KG can play their roles & keep minutes down. I expect Lee won't play as bad. We have a good 8 man rotation. Twill will improve & if we can snag a big in the draft awesome.

It just doesn't make sense to me why we havta give up 1 of the main reasons Celtic basketball was relevant again for an over paid & over rated big man who is on contract for the next 2-3 years? & two late first rounders? It's not a good deal. They should retire in Boston, but if not, we can def more. But i don't see the need to blow it up.

[15th overall]

Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

Such as what? I love KG, his tenacity and competitive fire and I think he was a great player, but he isn't a front line player. He's on the verge of retirement and you can't tell me you would prefer to have KG for 1 more year over the names you just listed. Don't mix up KG 5 years ago with KG now.

KG gives them Chris effin' Paul, the best PG in the game. You cant look at the trade like you would in your fantasy league. CP3 knows what the Clippers really are, a disaster of a franchise with the worst owner in the league.. so he wants them to go against their nature and prove theyre ready to make that next step.

Is KG/PP/Doc the only way to do this? Nope, Dwight Howard likely secures Paul as well.. but the odds of the Lakers voluntarily handing the keys to Los Angeles over to Donald Sterling are wicked slim. Like 0.031% chance. Chris Paul is the driving force behind ALL this talk and if that's not at the forefront of your reasoning then your missing the point.

[Kenhov]

Most likely ainge already has a follow through trade for Jordan.

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I don't remember which page in this thread there was a tweet by jerry zgoda (beat writer) for the TWolves that talked about taking Lee in a 3 team swap.

How about this ? the trade machine hasn't been updated , this trade works because twolves are under the cap.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l2k23fy

[Celts17Pride]

I think this happens and the only hold up is the finals. Stern is probably not happy this is going on right now, taking some shine off the finals.

Danny has to get Jordan/Bledsoe/1st round pick, anything else is throwing in the towel. I expect Danny to come out on top of this potential trade.

I agree completely. The final deal will end up being Jordan,Bledsoe/1st round pick. Next move PP will get traded and bought out or just bought out. PP will end up playing for the Clippers next year so Ainge has to stay firm on his asking price.

[greenmachine_2849]

It just doesn't make sense to me why we havta give up 1 of the main reasons Celtic basketball was relevant again for an over paid & over rated big man who is on contract for the next 2-3 years? & two late first rounders? It's not a good deal. They should retire in Boston, but if not, we can def more. But i don't see the need to blow it up.

Agree. I would rather just roll with the team we have for the next two years, more or less. In 2012, Ainge basically designed the team financially to have a three year plan about gradually phasing Pierce, Garnett, and (maybe) Rivers out, and having the younger players like Rondo and Green gradually take more and more of the responsibility. Bring in players like Terry and Bass to complement Pierce and Garnett over the short term. Then, in three years, Pierce, Garnett, Terry, and Bass would all be off the books, and we could look at adding a maximum free agent to go along with a core of Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Bradley. We have already completed year one of that plan; I don't see the need to deviate from it UNLESS an absolutely great offer comes our way.

[tcorbin]

Jordan is a negative rather than a positive, why would we want Jordan?

My understanding is that Atlanta is desperate for a center so they move Horford back to power forward. Jordan and filler for Josh Smith in a sign and trade?

Hawks want no part in Jordan, no matter how tall he his. His contract makes him a negative value. Hawks just did a great job at clearing cap last season with the Joe and Marvin trade. no way the Hawks are going to do something dumb and take on a bad contract like Jordan, when their are even better centers out there at a cheaper price like Pekovic, Tiago Splitter, or Jefferson.

[165bows]

So if this thing goes through then Danny will have not only been on both sides of the Jeff Green trade but will have acquired all the assets in the original Eric Bledsoe trade.

Then include Ainge's buddy Morey fleecing Presti in the James Harden deal, I am starting to think Ainge is just on a mission to mess with Sam Presti and make him look bad.

Probably still mad he missed out on Kevin Durant.

[wizardg]

Here's why believe its advantage Clippers.
The first domino in all this has been the Celtics intention of releasing Pierce. The Celtics could easily END ALL THIS DRAMA by declaring their intent to keep everything together. But obviously the Celtics made a decision to save 20+ mil (salary and lux tax) by releasing PP.

If the Doc-Garnett trade is held up. Garnett says F it and retires. says he's gonna take time off.

Stalemate!

Celtics have to **** or get off the pot before July 1st.
They release Pierce to save the 25 mil. If they are not gonna release PP why wouldn't they say so to end the drama. If they trade PP they save no money.


Pierce goes home to sign with Clippers which is part of the PP-Garnett-Doc plan.

Danny's bargaining position drops significantly because there are no other suitors to drive the Celts price.

The longer Doc and Garnett "retire" the less their value becomes.
b. Clips can wait or move on because Pierce + Hollins/Scott means the Clips have significantly improved their team and they sill can use DJ, Caron's expiring, and Bledsoe's cheap contract to make other deals. Clips can even wait until trade deadline.

Danny has few (maybe NO OTHER) options with Doc and KG.

[smith2373]

Jordan is a negative rather than a positive, why would we want Jordan?

My understanding is that Atlanta is desperate for a center so they move Horford back to power forward. Jordan and filler for Josh Smith in a sign and trade?

Hawks want no part in Jordan, no matter how tall he his. His contract makes him a negative value. Hawks just did a great job at clearing cap last season with the Joe and Marvin trade. no way the Hawks are going to do something dumb and take on a bad contract like Jordan, when their are even better centers out there at a cheaper price like Pekovic, Tiago Splitter, or Jefferson.

I doubt Pekovic or Jefferson get smaller contracts than DeAndre. More than likely they'll get more.

[SuperDeluxe]

Here's why believe its advantage Clippers.

In the meantime, Hollins/Shaw/Scott find work elsewhere. Chris Paul watches from the sidelines as the drama unfolds, and at 12:01 on July 1st is on the phone with 5 GMs at the same time.

[15th overall]

Here's why believe its advantage Clippers.
The first domino in all this has been the Celtics intention of releasing Pierce. The Celtics could easily END ALL THIS DRAMA by declaring their intent to keep everything together. But obviously the Celtics made a decision to save 20+ mil (salary and lux tax) by releasing PP.

If the Doc-Garnett trade is held up. Garnett says F it and retires. says he's gonna take time off.

Stalemate!

Celtics have to **** or get off the pot before July 1st.
They release Pierce to save the 25 mil. If they are not gonna release PP why wouldn't they say so to end the drama. If they trade PP they save no money.


Pierce goes home to sign with Clippers which is part of the PP-Garnett-Doc plan.

Danny's bargaining position drops significantly because there are no other suitors to drive the Celts price.

The longer Doc and Garnett "retire" the less their value becomes.
b. Clips can wait or move on because Pierce + Hollins/Scott means the Clips have significantly improved their team and they sill can use DJ, Caron's expiring, and Bledsoe's cheap contract to make other deals. Clips can even wait until trade deadline.

Danny has few (maybe NO OTHER) options with Doc and KG.

Chris Paul is the BIGGEST key to all of this and you failed to even mention him. That's a GIGANTIC omission.

Bledsoe/Billups/Odom/Griffin/DJ is NOT a good look and that's what you'd likely be looking at if this falls through. Maybe they can grab OJ Mayo or something but that team would still be flirting with first round exits and essentially be returning to their dunce hat corner spot. All that opportunity lost for Eric effin Bledsoe? Ridiculous but it is the Clippers so still very possible.

[Celts17Pride]

Here's why believe its advantage Clippers.
The first domino in all this has been the Celtics intention of releasing Pierce. The Celtics could easily END ALL THIS DRAMA by declaring their intent to keep everything together. But obviously the Celtics made a decision to save 20+ mil (salary and lux tax) by releasing PP.

If the Doc-Garnett trade is held up. Garnett says F it and retires. says he's gonna take time off.

Stalemate!

Celtics have to **** or get off the pot before July 1st.
They release Pierce to save the 25 mil. If they are not gonna release PP why wouldn't they say so to end the drama. If they trade PP they save no money.


Pierce goes home to sign with Clippers which is part of the PP-Garnett-Doc plan.

Danny's bargaining position drops significantly because there are no other suitors to drive the Celts price.

The longer Doc and Garnett "retire" the less their value becomes.
b. Clips can wait or move on because Pierce + Hollins/Scott means the Clips have significantly improved their team and they sill can use DJ, Caron's expiring, and Bledsoe's cheap contract to make other deals. Clips can even wait until trade deadline.

Danny has few (maybe NO OTHER) options with Doc and KG.

Silly post.

KG retires, PP gets bought out or amnesty, Doc leaves, Celtics get under the salary cap and rebuilding starts.

Ainge is not forced to do anything with the Clippers.