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The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#1 » by theBigLip » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:22 pm

2013 Transactions:

Trade Stuckey for #13, Marion (Dallas can release Stuckey for more savings)

Draft: #8 MCW (or Burke if available)
Draft: #13 KCP (or McCollum if available)

Free agent: Corey Brewer, SG, Age 27, close to MLE
Free agent: Dorell Wright, SF, Age 27, close to MLE

2013-14 Roster:

Knight/MCW
Brewer/KCP
Wright/Marion
Monroe/CV/Marion
Drummond/Monroe

Result: Playoffs


2014 Transactions:

Sign/sign trade best SF free agent available (LBJ or Kobe?) :-) (Granger if 100%?)
We should still have cap room letting go of CV and Marion to obtain a significant scorer, and our rookies should be starting

MCW/Knight
KCP/Brewer
Granger/Wright
Monroe/new FA
Drummond/Monroe

Result: Into the second round or more
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#2 » by Sheedpocalypse » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:28 pm

I'm not sure if we would get the 8th seed with these guys, but if none of the free agents we want are available, instead of overpaying someone, this sounds ok.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#3 » by The_Irony » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:30 pm

Sup Biglip!!

Average moves, 4 new acquisitions and none of them(unsure about KCP) are playmakers/draw fouls in the lane.

I like Brewer at times, but he makes some of the dumbest plays ive EVER seen. He loses his basketball IQ like sheed used to do at times. Ideallly hed be a 3rd FA signing behind 2 better talents.

I hope the Pistons consider adding another big man somehow thru FA mostly. I can see Monroe or Drummond getting hurt and us absolutely needing help

Pistons were "flirting" with that 8th seed before dre got hurt. If they expect to be in the playoff picture they need depth off the bench.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#4 » by vege » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:43 pm

Dallas is not taking salary back in a Marion #13 trade, it defeats the purpose to them. The deal they want is #13 and Marion for a TPE and 3 2nd round picks.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#5 » by Jodi » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:08 pm

theBigLip wrote:MCW/Knight
KCP/Brewer
Granger/Wright
Monroe/new FA
Drummond/Monroe

No, no, no...Good try though...
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#6 » by Sheedpocalypse » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:46 pm

The_Irony wrote:
I hope the Pistons consider adding another big man somehow thru FA mostly. I can see Monroe or Drummond getting hurt and us absolutely needing help

Pistons were "flirting" with that 8th seed before dre got hurt. If they expect to be in the playoff picture they need depth off the bench.


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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#7 » by theBigLip » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:18 pm

vege wrote:Dallas is not taking salary back in a Marion #13 trade, it defeats the purpose to them. The deal they want is #13 and Marion for a TPE and 3 2nd round picks.


Dallas may not stick to that if they don't get it, but they'd still get a 5M in savings. And if not, then we keep Stuckey - it doesn't really change this plan at all. And the plan I laid out still works whether we buy out Stuckey or not.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#8 » by theBigLip » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:20 pm

The_Irony wrote:Sup Biglip!!

Average moves, 4 new acquisitions and none of them(unsure about KCP) are playmakers/draw fouls in the lane.

I like Brewer at times, but he makes some of the dumbest plays ive EVER seen. He loses his basketball IQ like sheed used to do at times. Ideallly hed be a 3rd FA signing behind 2 better talents.

I hope the Pistons consider adding another big man somehow thru FA mostly. I can see Monroe or Drummond getting hurt and us absolutely needing help

Pistons were "flirting" with that 8th seed before dre got hurt. If they expect to be in the playoff picture they need depth off the bench.


I agree the moves are more "average" than "superstar", but probably realistic, and we don't end up blowing our once in a lifetime (or one in 5 year) chance by wasting all our money on Josh Smith or Iggy. And we'd still get a chance to get a quality free agent next year.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#9 » by theBigLip » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:21 pm

Jodi wrote:
theBigLip wrote:MCW/Knight
KCP/Brewer
Granger/Wright
Monroe/new FA
Drummond/Monroe

No, no, no...Good try though...


Curious, what are your pain points on this? Remember, Granger only if healthy, otherwise, we'll settle for LBJ.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#10 » by jaredtyshaf » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:19 pm

If we can't convince CP3 and/or Iggy (reasonable amount) to come then why not try to develop our team and try to draw a star here next season.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#11 » by ChipButty » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:34 pm

I'm all out of patience and the phones are already ringing.

If Granger is your target, why not trade for him this offseason? The best way to get an opinion on the long term prognosis of his knee problems is to have him on the team for a year. Buy low and take a chance. Worst case is we sell some tickets, his Knee degenerates and we end up with the cap space in 2014 anyway.

I'd go hard after #12 (maybe take on Perkins --we need a backup big anyway) and #13 (take on Marion). Take the least expensive deal and then try and flip the pick for Granger.

I know CP3 is probably going to stay in LA, but if he's serious about winning, Indiana would be a great spot for him. CP3/George/Hibbert could be an option with Granger off the books.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#12 » by vege » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:39 pm

theBigLip wrote:Dallas may not stick to that if they don't get it, but they'd still get a 5M in savings.


If they don't get it they can easily wait another year, bring Dirk back on a huge discount and Dirk already said he would do that and then build a team around Nowitzki and 2 big names.

Sure as hell they are not going to sell the #13 for 5 million.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#13 » by Jodi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:00 am

theBigLip wrote:
Jodi wrote:
theBigLip wrote:MCW/Knight
KCP/Brewer
Granger/Wright
Monroe/new FA
Drummond/Monroe

No, no, no...Good try though...


Curious, what are your pain points on this? Remember, Granger only if healthy, otherwise, we'll settle for LBJ.

Oops, my bad bro...I meant to quote your 2013-14 roster...
theBigLip wrote:2013-14 Roster:
Knight/MCW
Brewer/KCP
Wright/Marion
Monroe/CV/Marion
Drummond/Monroe

I said no because I don't think Brewer and Wright would push us into the playoffs...Both of them are better served coming off the bench as role players...
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#14 » by Snakebites » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:09 am

Expectations need to be tempered a bit if there's such a negative reaction to this.

Worried this board will go nuts over what actually ends up happening, which will probably be a lot closer to something like this than it is to whatever it is people are hoping for when they blast this.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#15 » by theBigLip » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:12 am

Snakebites wrote:Expectations need to be tempered a bit if there's such a negative reaction to this.

Worried this board will go nuts over what actually ends up happening, which will probably be a lot closer to something like this than it is to whatever it is people are hoping for when they blast this.


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I agree, I don't think we can lure a big free agent, at least not this year, or if we do, it would be to grossly overpay (thing BG and CV). What we can do is inexpensively fill out our roster, make the playoffs, start looking like an exciting young team, and maybe next summer we get a star free agent to get us into the second round.

I hope I'm wrong, and CP3 and Iggy join our team this summer. But in case that doesn't happen, this plan seems realistic.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#16 » by DocRI » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:50 am

theBigLip wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Expectations need to be tempered a bit if there's such a negative reaction to this.

Worried this board will go nuts over what actually ends up happening, which will probably be a lot closer to something like this than it is to whatever it is people are hoping for when they blast this.


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I agree, I don't think we can lure a big free agent, at least not this year, or if we do, it would be to grossly overpay (thing BG and CV). What we can do is inexpensively fill out our roster, make the playoffs, start looking like an exciting young team, and maybe next summer we get a star free agent to get us into the second round.

I hope I'm wrong, and CP3 and Iggy join our team this summer. But in case that doesn't happen, this plan seems realistic.


No offense, Lip, and you're not the first to use the word on these boards ... but why has "realistic" become a synonym for "boring?" :wink:

All joking aside, why does this offseason have to be "all in" for a guy like CP3 or else save our cap space and settle for middling role players like Brewer or Wright? Holding Paul, Howard, Josh Smith and Iggy off the table (although I personally think Iggy's more attainable), here are a bunch of "middle of the road" options, most of which have been suggested before, that would improve us far more next year and still save at least some cap space for next offseason —

- Trade for Granger (sending some salary back)
- Trade for Eric Gordon (sending some salary back)
- Trade for some combination of Lin / Asik / TRob / Parsons (facilitating a Houston salary dump so they can chase Howard)
- Trade for some combination of Biedrins / Jefferson / Bogut / Barnes / Thompson (facilitating a Golden St. salary dump so they can chase Howard)
- Sign Tyreke Evans to a front-loaded contract (the opposite of the Lin / Asik model) which the Kings would be hard-pressed to match

And yes, I know we'll never get Thompson, but as long as I was typing that line about the Warriors I felt compelled to include him. In any case, all of those deals would at least return something more than two rookies, Marion, Brewer, Wright, and a rain check to "wait till next year."

Last note — in this whole Celtics / Clippers "Doc & KG Saga," the Celts are now apparently desperately looking to shed the long term contracts of Courtney Lee and Jason Terry ... two middling role players who they signed to long term MLE-level deals, just like you'd have us committing to Brewer and Wright. Contracts like that aren't BG / CV level albatrosses, but they really hurt your roster flexibility. We just finally got out from under a similar player with a similar contract in Jason Maxiel, and I don't want to go that route of paying fringe starters and bench rotation players $5M+ per year again.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#17 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:27 am

I wonder if we can somehow get Jeff Green.
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#18 » by Snakebites » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:04 am

^He's got injury history and 3 years left on a contract worth about 9 million per.

So yeah, I'm sure he could be had. Would we want him though?
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#19 » by Jodi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:12 am

DocRI wrote:- Trade for Granger (sending some salary back)

It's highly unlikely that two teams in the same division agree to a trade...This probably will never happen
DocRI wrote:- Trade for Eric Gordon (sending some salary back)

I'm down...
DocRI wrote:- Trade for some combination of Lin / Asik / TRob / Parsons (facilitating a Houston salary dump so they can chase Howard)

I'm down to acquire TRob...We'll looks like dummies taking on Lin and Asik contracts...Pure dummies...
DocRI wrote:- Trade for some combination of Biedrins / Jefferson / Bogut / Barnes / Thompson (facilitating a Golden St. salary dump so they can chase Howard)

The Warriors will be OK...Don't count on them moving Barnes or Thompson any time soon...
DocRI wrote:- Sign Tyreke Evans to a front-loaded contract (the opposite of the Lin / Asik model) which the Kings would be hard-pressed to match

Evans is talented, but we need shooters on our team...
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Re: The Plan: Be patient this year 

Post#20 » by theBigLip » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:16 am

- Trade for Granger (sending some salary back)
Lip: I'd do that, might take some picks to make that happen. Granger low risk w/ 1 year left. But Indiana almost made it to the finals - will they really trade him to us for scraps?

- Trade for Eric Gordon (sending some salary back)
Lip: I don't think he will ever come back 100%

- Trade for some combination of Lin / Asik / TRob / Parsons (facilitating a Houston salary dump so they can chase Howard)
Lip: I'm good with this plan, Lin could start for us, TRob possible diamond in the rough, Parsons can shoot

- Trade for some combination of Biedrins / Jefferson / Bogut / Barnes / Thompson (facilitating a Golden St. salary dump so they can chase Howard)
Lip: Don't think they are seriously going after Howard

- Sign Tyreke Evans to a front-loaded contract (the opposite of the Lin / Asik model) which the Kings would be hard-pressed to match
Lip: I'm good with this plan too

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