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SuperDeluxe wrote:return2glory wrote:2. KG retirees and we get nothing back. We actually do. Cap space.
*******$10 million saved.*********
If KG retires, there will be zero cap savings. He's gone, but his salary stays.
MaxwellSmart wrote:so now, Danny has 12 entire days to figure out a Trade for Paul Pierce...his Contract becomes guaranteed fully on June 30th/July 1st......More Drama to come SOON--!
MaxwellSmart wrote:Have a feeling PP will return....he'll be more valuable at the deadline---Unless Houston or Dallas come calling by next week---so they can release him---and Create cap space for Howard.
Great read man! Very interesting take on everything.John Locke wrote:* Ainge is trying to NEGOTIATE. That means that you don't always get what you want. It's hard for us to know, with any certainty, what KG's market value is. This is such a unique deal. Both teams have a certain amount of leverage.
I've studied negotiations in my Masters program. I bet others here have to. When you're negotiating you have to think about your B.A.T.N.A = Best alternative to a negotiated agreement. Right now, Ainge b.a.t.n.a. gets worse and worse, we can risk losing both of them without getting anything. DeAndre Jordan is not a top tier Center in this League. But he's not a liability like some here think. He is in between. But his contract runs for only two years. Theo Ratliff's contract also ran for two years when we got him. Traded him a year later for KG.
* Ainge can do a whole lot with draft picks. Look at his record drafting late: Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Al Jefferson, Perkins, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Big Baby...the list goes on and on. Getting two draft picks would be fantastic. We're talking about a player that has one season (maybe) left in him and a coach.
Sam Mitchell made a great point. He said that Ainge doesn't have all the leverage in the Doc trade. If he says no to Doc, and denies him the opportunity to leave, Doc can come back and collect 7 million $ a year. Can clock out at two every day and force Ainge's hand to fire him. So Danny doesn't have all the power - you never really do in negotiations. If you would have all the power, you wouldn't sit down and listen to offers.
* We can continue to make assumptions, but please do know that we have a very capable GM trying to maximize what we can get out of the deal.
I would rather get DeAndre Jordan and two 1st round picks than nothing for our coach and our oldest player. It's good to get the salary that Jordan is paid, to piece together a deal if something pops up in the next two years.
Then we just start rebuilding. I think we should be able to move Lee, Terry and Bass without any big trouble. They don't have a negative value. Their contracts are reasonable. We probably keep one of Terry or Lee (hopefully the later).
165bows wrote:15th overall wrote:Even if Doc leaves and does TV.. there will absolutely be a contender with a coaching vacancy willing to part with a comparable pick at SOME point over the next three years. Which means this current deal is basically a straight swap of KG for Jordan. Thats AWFUL.. I dont care if he's 25.. that does not help this team AT ALL.
That's where I am at. People are saying if this deal doesn't get done, they both leave for nothing. I agree with you, I think opportunities to get a similar return as the Clips offer would come up over the course of the next year+.
tranjSAIC wrote:165bows wrote:15th overall wrote:Even if Doc leaves and does TV.. there will absolutely be a contender with a coaching vacancy willing to part with a comparable pick at SOME point over the next three years. Which means this current deal is basically a straight swap of KG for Jordan. Thats AWFUL.. I dont care if he's 25.. that does not help this team AT ALL.
That's where I am at. People are saying if this deal doesn't get done, they both leave for nothing. I agree with you, I think opportunities to get a similar return as the Clips offer would come up over the course of the next year+.
Or Doc can coach next year without his heart in it, then Danny has to fire him anyways...
sully00 wrote:MaxwellSmart wrote:Have a feeling PP will return....he'll be more valuable at the deadline---Unless Houston or Dallas come calling by next week---so they can release him---and Create cap space for Howard.
But then what do you do with Doc and KG?
I can't believe Ainge has gotten into this and failed to close the deal. It is just a sour disaster.
tranjSAIC wrote:165bows wrote:15th overall wrote:Even if Doc leaves and does TV.. there will absolutely be a contender with a coaching vacancy willing to part with a comparable pick at SOME point over the next three years. Which means this current deal is basically a straight swap of KG for Jordan. Thats AWFUL.. I dont care if he's 25.. that does not help this team AT ALL.
That's where I am at. People are saying if this deal doesn't get done, they both leave for nothing. I agree with you, I think opportunities to get a similar return as the Clips offer would come up over the course of the next year+.
Or Doc can coach next year without his heart in it, then Danny has to fire him anyways...
