Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[TommyPoints]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Doc Rivers will be in Boston on Wednesday and plans to sit down with Danny Ainge, league source says.

You guys think he wants to work it out?

Work out what?

Don't know what you're talking about, Doc will be next to Van Gundy next season.

So no chance at Doc staying to coach?

It was reported after the deal "died" that Ainge wants him to return as coach. We'll see what happens, but that would point to that being his intention unless things change again.

[165bows]

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 43s
Put it this way: Clippers were asked to give up 2 first rounders for right to pay Doc $7 mill/per year

Which the Celtics would prefer not pay anyways.

Please stop. Ramona is an LA based reporter, who do you think this info is from? The people still shaking in the knees about, let's say it all together, 'paying Doc 7 MIllION DOLLARS!!' That's who.

If LAC doesn't want to pony up for Doc, no one here cares about that problem.

[TommyPoints]

I understand WHY you guys have big attachments to your people and as fans we always value our assets higher than others but here me out Celtics fans. The reasons this deal was more vital to your team than the Clippers are...

You're losing Doc, KG and Pierce this summer now anyways most likely, why not at least get SOMETHING for them. Pierce was already being bought out, Doc was already getting cold feet (you guys made a thread 3 weeks ago about moving on from him) and KG was contemplating retirement if Celtics go into rebuilding.

Clippers were going to settle the finances with you guys for Doc, DJ is 24 with upside still and if he doesn't work out can be flipped next deadline for decent value with a year left on the deal. The Clippers on the other hand are strong favorites to keep CP3 anyways and don't mind keeping young assets to trade.

Now so much has emotionally been invested by both sides that to break the deal up is going to have huge repercussions, especially with Boston as I said.

So taking on the useless DeAndre Jordan and his large contract along with the 25th pick in the draft is supposed to make me want to give you Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett?

Um no, I'd rather see KG retire a Celtic and Doc sit in a TNT booth and look miserable.

One of the Celtics problems is that most NBA players don't like Boston. That's where Doc came in his rep changed the equation to Boston. After this fiasco. Its gonna make Boston even less favorable NBA FA destination.

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

Ainge and Doc knew his contract was never to be fulfilled. like a 50 years who buys a house on a 30 mortgage. And Ainge knew that Garnett and Pierce wanted to play in LA if the Celtics blew it up.

If Doc, PP, and Garnett are soured by the way their end in Boston plays out. Ainge losses credibility with the NBA players.

Before Garnett almost nobody wanted any part of Boston, remember Garnett almost passed on Boston. Ainge had to overpay to get Jet and Lee last year.

Good Luck

Yeah, Boston has never been a favorite FA destination unless it was when they are contending. The rest of this is nothing, but speculation. Ainge has done nothing that has been reported for the players or coach to have any negative feelings towards the organization.

[KGboss]

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 43s
Put it this way: Clippers were asked to give up 2 first rounders for right to pay Doc $7 mill/per year

Which the Celtics would prefer not pay anyways.

Please stop. Ramona is an LA based reporter, who do you think this info is from? The people still shaking in the knees about, let's say it all together, 'paying Doc 7 MIllION DOLLARS!!' That's who.

If LAC doesn't want to pony up for Doc, no one here cares about that problem.

Thats what Doc is worth. He is a top 3 coach in this league right now. If they cant afford him why are they trying?

[TommyPoints]

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 43s
Put it this way: Clippers were asked to give up 2 first rounders for right to pay Doc $7 mill/per year

Which the Celtics would prefer not pay anyways.

Please stop. Ramona is an LA based reporter, who do you think this info is from? The people still shaking in the knees about, let's say it all together, 'paying Doc 7 MIllION DOLLARS!!' That's who.

If LAC doesn't want to pony up for Doc, no one here cares about that problem.

Thats what Doc is worth. He is a top 3 coach in this league right now. If they cant afford him why are they trying?

This is from an outsiders perspective but I don't even know why Paul would want to stay there. Are they serious about winning or what? Either sit at the big boy table or take a hike.

[Captain_Caveman]

I understand WHY you guys have big attachments to your people and as fans we always value our assets higher than others but here me out Celtics fans. The reasons this deal was more vital to your team than the Clippers are...

You're losing Doc, KG and Pierce this summer now anyways most likely, why not at least get SOMETHING for them. Pierce was already being bought out, Doc was already getting cold feet (you guys made a thread 3 weeks ago about moving on from him) and KG was contemplating retirement if Celtics go into rebuilding.

Clippers were going to settle the finances with you guys for Doc, DJ is 24 with upside still and if he doesn't work out can be flipped next deadline for decent value with a year left on the deal. The Clippers on the other hand are strong favorites to keep CP3 anyways and don't mind keeping young assets to trade.

Now so much has emotionally been invested by both sides that to break the deal up is going to have huge repercussions, especially with Boston as I said.

Homie, I live in SoCal, and IMO DeAndre is a dumpster fire. I wouldn't take him and the 25th pick for free. At 11m a year (and 13m cap hits), the opportunity cost of DeAndre is just too high.

I would *much* prefer to get nothing. So would anyone who has actually watched him play.

[Debaser]

One of the Celtics problems is that most NBA players don't like Boston. That's where Doc came in his rep changed the equation to Boston. After this fiasco. Its gonna make Boston even less favorable NBA FA destination.

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

Ainge and Doc knew his contract was never to be fulfilled. like a 50 years who buys a house on a 30 mortgage. And Ainge knew that Garnett and Pierce wanted to play in LA if the Celtics blew it up.

If Doc, PP, and Garnett are soured by the way their end in Boston plays out. Ainge losses credibility with the NBA players.

Before Garnett almost nobody wanted any part of Boston, remember Garnett almost passed on Boston. Ainge had to overpay to get Jet and Lee last year.

Good Luck

How can someone, a mod no less, be allowed to post this crap here? Nobody wants to play for your team, your GM is being greedy and will lose all credibility, wah wah wah. Wishing the most successful franchise luck? Please. Why don't you worry about your own team and stop trolling here.

[Berkcelt]

This is from an outsiders perspective but I don't even know why Paul would want to stay there. Are they serious about winning or what? Either sit at the big boy table or take a hike.

I think the idea is more deals are to come. The only things I've heard is Blake for Dwight, and Bledsoe for Afflalo or Granger. The former seems like a pipe dream to me, and the latter seems like a minor or second tier move. But we haven't even reached the draft or offseason so who knows what might happen.

[Collinto]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As much as Rivers wanted Clippers job, Boston management wanted to use deal to speed up rebuilding process. Ainge and Rivers aren't at odds.

The negotiation is still on...my guess is that the Clips step back with the intention to see if Boston blinks and/or if the public negotiation has splintered the relationship between Boston, Doc and KG. It gives them leverage on two fronts, 1. get to dance with with Shaw and Scott; 2. get to see if any 'bad blood' comes out from the Boston side. At the end of the day, it is likely Chris Paul and the impact of bringing in KG/Doc to his resigning that gets this done (or not).

[ermocrate]

I understand WHY you guys have big attachments to your people and as fans we always value our assets higher than others but here me out Celtics fans. The reasons this deal was more vital to your team than the Clippers are...

You're losing Doc, KG and Pierce this summer now anyways most likely, why not at least get SOMETHING for them. Pierce was already being bought out, Doc was already getting cold feet (you guys made a thread 3 weeks ago about moving on from him) and KG was contemplating retirement if Celtics go into rebuilding.

Clippers were going to settle the finances with you guys for Doc, DJ is 24 with upside still and if he doesn't work out can be flipped next deadline for decent value with a year left on the deal. The Clippers on the other hand are strong favorites to keep CP3 anyways and don't mind keeping young assets to trade.

Now so much has emotionally been invested by both sides that to break the deal up is going to have huge repercussions, especially with Boston as I said.

Homie, I live in SoCal, and IMO DeAndre is a dumpster fire. I wouldn't take him and the 25th pick for free. At 11m a year (and 13m cap hits), the opportunity cost of DeAndre is just too high.

I would *much* prefer to get nothing. So would anyone who has actually watched him play.

Exactly my feelings...

[SuperDeluxe]

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[campybatman]

Ainge must walk away from the negotiating table. This is a no-win situation. Because Boston wanted to negotiate a deal while the Clippers wanted to dictate the deal. You can't expect for a deal to come to fruition if one party [Los Angeles] isn't willing to concede anything from their end. No, the Clippers thought that they could get something for nothing and was content with their low-ball offer. If you're Ainge, you don't settle under no circumstances. If you want Bledsoe and two first round picks, then you fight for that. Conversely, nobody wants the overpaid Jordan with his 15% trade kicker. I mean, even Ainge isn't that gullible, nor are the Boston fans. If Ainge wants to save face, then end the talks for good because it isn't worth it.

[165bows]

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The Celtics should look closely to the Clippers org for an example.

[FlatearthZorro]

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The Celtics should look closely to the Clippers org for an example.

Clips are such a classy organisation. I totally agree with you, can't wait til they win their 1st championship next season with a core of D Jordan/ Griffin and Cliff Paul. Also yesterday I found out that Matt Barnes is just as worthy as Paul Pierce, valueable info from Clipper fans.

World class organisation and their fan base is fantastic too, they have so much knowledge when it comes to b-ball.

[DJToLarry]

I just don't see how Doc can continue as coach. He just signed that contract, and knew they would have to rebuild. Now maybe Doc told Ainge he will not coach the Cs, and didn't leak it as to take away all of the Celtic's leverage in trying to get something for Doc. So that was the reason Doc has been quiet through all of this. As it stands I just see one option for Doc, and that's to resign. Go work in TV. Why would management want someone who doesn't really want his job?

[ermocrate]

Why don't we offer Bass and a first to SA for Popovic and Tim Duncan, look like an offer they can't turn down...

[LobCityClips]

You live in LA and watched the Clippers a few times and you're going to puff your chest out at a guy who hasn't missed a Clipper game in about 9 years? I'm well aware of DJ's shortcomings but to act like he's a NEGATIVE player is patently false and in opposition to facts. He's a 13 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg PER 36 player who had the highest field goal percentage in the league and plays above average defense. His PER wasn't much worse than KG's this year at 17. Point is, overpaid like all decent centers yes. Very flawed and raw, yes. "Garbage", absolutely not. Unless you don't know the game of basketball and analyze the game on small sample sizes or what others tell you.

[TommyPoints]

You live in LA and watched the Clippers a few times and you're going to puff your chest out at a guy who hasn't missed a Clipper game in about 9 years? I'm well aware of DJ's shortcomings but to act like he's a NEGATIVE player is patently false and in opposition to facts. He's a 13 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg PER 36 player who had the highest field goal percentage in the league and plays above average defense. His PER wasn't much worse than KG's this year at 17. Point is, overpaid like all decent centers yes. Very flawed and raw, yes. "Garbage", absolutely not. Unless you don't know the game of basketball and analyze the game on small sample sizes or what others tell you.

Sounds like a winner. You guys should hang on to that stud and he can anchor your championship next season.

[ermocrate]

Is Benoit Benjamin an Hall of Famer?

[LobCityClips]

You live in LA and watched the Clippers a few times and you're going to puff your chest out at a guy who hasn't missed a Clipper game in about 9 years? I'm well aware of DJ's shortcomings but to act like he's a NEGATIVE player is patently false and in opposition to facts. He's a 13 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg PER 36 player who had the highest field goal percentage in the league and plays above average defense. His PER wasn't much worse than KG's this year at 17. Point is, overpaid like all decent centers yes. Very flawed and raw, yes. "Garbage", absolutely not. Unless you don't know the game of basketball and analyze the game on small sample sizes or what others tell you.

Sounds like a winner. You guys should hang on to that stud and he can anchor your championship next season.

If we want to wait 3 years we would. Like I said the whole DJ issue has to do with the Clippers wanting to win NOW as in this year. He's a slow but sure developer so far.. and the team just needs somebody who's ready NOW for these big runs.