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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#141 » by Buju » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:02 pm

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Buju wrote:^
So does that mean we should trade Wade away too? :lol:


Only a bandwagon fan like yourself would suggest to trade Wade.

He is a Heat lifer, I don't care if even LeBron himself went crazy and says "It's me or Wade" in 2014. Wade stays.

Lmao @ you not sniffing my sarcasm regarding your post, attah boy! :clap:
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Post#142 » by fast-break » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:07 pm

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StrengthNHonor wrote:Today, Riley said there would have been big changes if Miami had lost.

I still think there should be big changes...... 122 teams have been in that position before, the game 6 situation we were in....... and they were 0-122. It was a freaking miracle.

In my head, we lost. Kawhi Leonard makes his FT, it's RIP Heat, Spurs are champs right now.

We have a serious problem with Bosh... he's just not a good fit. Yeah, Bosh made a few plays at the end, but Tim Duncan was on the bench. Do you really think Bosh secures a rebound with Duncan out there? I mean, the whole damn sequence was a miracle. We are lucky to be champs right now..... what happens when coaches stop sitting Roy Hibbert to give LBJ a game winning layup, or when coaches stop sitting Duncan when they need to rebound?

i feel we need changes.


Bosh is worth far far more than Asik. Asik would be good on the team, but only NEXT to Bosh. In a swap, we're one Wade injury from the Cavaliers, we know Bosh always has the ABILITY to explode when needed.


The Heat played their best basketball when Bosh+Wade were on the bench.

LeBron + 3 shooters + a Center (Birdman usually) was our best lineup.

The HEAT played their very best basketball with WADE on the bench so what do you suggest there...

If you're going to entertain trade threads then let it be open to everyone if you're REALLY about getting better...don't float those emotions around now..lol
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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#143 » by Buju » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:08 pm

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StrengthNHonor wrote:
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Bosh is worth far far more than Asik. Asik would be good on the team, but only NEXT to Bosh. In a swap, we're one Wade injury from the Cavaliers, we know Bosh always has the ABILITY to explode when needed.


The Heat played their best basketball when Bosh+Wade were on the bench.

LeBron + 3 shooters + a Center (Birdman usually) was our best lineup.

The HEAT played their very best basketball with WADE on the bench so what do you suggest there...

If you're going to entertain trade threads then let it be open to everyone if you're REALLY about getting better...don't float those emotions around now..lol

fast-break.... am sorry but hes a lost cause :lol:
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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#144 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:25 pm

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StrengthNHonor wrote:
Buju wrote:^
So does that mean we should trade Wade away too? :lol:


Only a bandwagon fan like yourself would suggest to trade Wade.

He is a Heat lifer, I don't care if even LeBron himself went crazy and says "It's me or Wade" in 2014. Wade stays.

Lmao @ you not sniffing my sarcasm regarding your post, attah boy! :clap:


Only thing I sniffed is a troll who has already made his opinion very clear in this topic, yet continues to come back and try to insult me.

Stfu.
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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#145 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:26 pm

fast-break wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
Bosh is worth far far more than Asik. Asik would be good on the team, but only NEXT to Bosh. In a swap, we're one Wade injury from the Cavaliers, we know Bosh always has the ABILITY to explode when needed.


The Heat played their best basketball when Bosh+Wade were on the bench.

LeBron + 3 shooters + a Center (Birdman usually) was our best lineup.

The HEAT played their very best basketball with WADE on the bench so what do you suggest there...

If you're going to entertain trade threads then let it be open to everyone if you're REALLY about getting better...don't float those emotions around now..lol


Well, Wade was injured.

And still, Wade has earned his spot as a Heat for life, no matter what. I don't care if LBJ leaves. Wade remains in Miami until he chooses to retire. Period. He's earned that.

Chris Bosh, no.
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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#146 » by Buju » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:26 pm

StrengthNHonor wrote:
Buju wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:
Only a bandwagon fan like yourself would suggest to trade Wade.

He is a Heat lifer, I don't care if even LeBron himself went crazy and says "It's me or Wade" in 2014. Wade stays.

Lmao @ you not sniffing my sarcasm regarding your post, attah boy! :clap:


Only thing I sniffed is a troll who has already made his opinion very clear in this topic, yet continues to come back and try to insult me.

Stfu.

Don't get your panties in a bunch man... The things you suggest are just hilarious, I can't help my self :lol:
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Re: If Howard goes to HOU, we can grab Omer Asik for Bosh 

Post#147 » by fast-break » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:53 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:
fast-break wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:
The Heat played their best basketball when Bosh+Wade were on the bench.

LeBron + 3 shooters + a Center (Birdman usually) was our best lineup.

The HEAT played their very best basketball with WADE on the bench so what do you suggest there...

If you're going to entertain trade threads then let it be open to everyone if you're REALLY about getting better...don't float those emotions around now..lol


Well, Wade was injured.

And still, Wade has earned his spot as a Heat for life, no matter what. I don't care if LBJ leaves. Wade remains in Miami until he chooses to retire. Period. He's earned that.

Chris Bosh, no.

lol

Well then you don't REALLY care about winning... just a name on a jersey. Get off Bosh's dick Stanley!
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Post#148 » by fast-break » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:37 am

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fast-break wrote:Hmm...I wasn't discrediting him.

6'11 29 years old with a silky smooth midrange...is vastly underused offensively.

Unless plays are ran for him he doesn't possess half the aggression. It's not about rhythm, it's about how he's used. I've seen enough games with him as a 2nd option to know this...

How many guys even had a 20/10 season this year? None...Bosh would not put up 24/10 again. Thats Howard/Love territory.

Something like 20+/8 on this team isn't out of reach if shifted into the #2 role though.


You called him a first-round knockout. That sounds like you're blaming it on him that the Raptors couldn't go any further. His supporting cast in Toronto was almost as bad as Wade's here in Miami from 08-10, if not worse at times. Thus calling him a first-round knockout is discrediting him.

As for as his aggression, if you use him more, he can establish a better rhythm and is more aggressive, thus it is about rhythm and that's the case for every superstar. He was forcing himself to be aggressive in game 7 against Indiana and it turned to s*** because he had no rhythm to him.

Bosh/Gay would be knocked out of the 1st round...

Bosh only looked silly forcing himself to the rim in Game 7 because of Hibbert and the "verticality rule".

Bosh is not a superstar...but every round a LEGIT defender was matched with him, he didn't get any scrubs he could cherry pick with. None.
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Post#149 » by BballMania47 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:35 am

The only person I would trade Bosh for is LaMarcus Aldridge, he's even good enough to do that straight up... other than that you get nothing back in quality for Bosh... *shrugs* all you can do is hope Bosh starts playing like he's ready to be a second option at any moment, for now it seems like he has forgotten.
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Post#150 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:52 am

Would Lamarcus be able to handle being the 3rd option? I doubt it.

I don't watch Portland games, is he better than Bosh? Cause I doubt he is. I'm guessing Bosh is better.

PLUS... Aldridge wants to go to Chicago......wtf man we don't need more size in our conference.
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Post#151 » by Laazard » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:37 pm

LMA, I mean seriously? You guys are unreal...

You really don't appreciate how good defensively Bosh is. He is ok rim protector, elite pick and roll defender and VERY GOOD post defender when he defends guys his size. Plus, he
1) sets good picks on offense
2)doesn't require much touches and shots
3)has elite efficiency on mid range jumpers what allows us to run pick and pops and space the floor + due to the fact that he is camping near 3pt line he is usually first on defense (and when big is first on defense you are in good situation).

He is a gem guys, gem. There is nobody in this league that we could replace him with(considering his role and our system). LMA is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse defender and less efficient shooter, Love is a liability on D, Garnett is old etc... There is no PF in this league that would be upgarde for us in place of Bosh. Of course if we could get great C for Bosh I wouldn't oppose (e.g. Howard) but that's unreal.

Let's just sign Birdman and Dalambert. hat's really enough.

Oh and I would add somebody young on the perimeter. Maybe one of the undrafted free agents.
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Post#152 » by BballMania47 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:36 pm

Laazard wrote:LMA, I mean seriously? You guys are unreal...

You really don't appreciate how good defensively Bosh is. He is ok rim protector, elite pick and roll defender and VERY GOOD post defender when he defends guys his size. Plus, he
1) sets good picks on offense
2)doesn't require much touches and shots
3)has elite efficiency on mid range jumpers what allows us to run pick and pops and space the floor + due to the fact that he is camping near 3pt line he is usually first on defense (and when big is first on defense you are in good situation).

He is a gem guys, gem. There is nobody in this league that we could replace him with(considering his role and our system). LMA is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse defender and less efficient shooter, Love is a liability on D, Garnett is old etc... There is no PF in this league that would be upgarde for us in place of Bosh. Of course if we could get great C for Bosh I wouldn't oppose (e.g. Howard) but that's unreal.

Let's just sign Birdman and Dalambert. hat's really enough.

Oh and I would add somebody young on the perimeter. Maybe one of the undrafted free agents.


Um actually Bosh is average as a post defender, I agree he is very good in the pick n roll but lets be serious, he spends a lot of time in foul trouble while defending the post, most of them are stronger, plus Bosh was average at best in Toronto, he has just grown immensely, Who's to say Aldridge cant in this system, point is lets not underrate LMA to uplift Bosh. There are things Bosh exceeds at and there are things LMA does, notably being an above average post player/foul drawer

But I agree, if we can resign Birdman and maybe pick up Dalembert none of this will matter anyway
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Post#153 » by Buju » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:11 pm

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Laazard wrote:LMA, I mean seriously? You guys are unreal...

You really don't appreciate how good defensively Bosh is. He is ok rim protector, elite pick and roll defender and VERY GOOD post defender when he defends guys his size. Plus, he
1) sets good picks on offense
2)doesn't require much touches and shots
3)has elite efficiency on mid range jumpers what allows us to run pick and pops and space the floor + due to the fact that he is camping near 3pt line he is usually first on defense (and when big is first on defense you are in good situation).

He is a gem guys, gem. There is nobody in this league that we could replace him with(considering his role and our system). LMA is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse defender and less efficient shooter, Love is a liability on D, Garnett is old etc... There is no PF in this league that would be upgarde for us in place of Bosh. Of course if we could get great C for Bosh I wouldn't oppose (e.g. Howard) but that's unreal.

Let's just sign Birdman and Dalambert. hat's really enough.

Oh and I would add somebody young on the perimeter. Maybe one of the undrafted free agents.


Um actually Bosh is average as a post defender, I agree he is very good in the pick n roll but lets be serious, he spends a lot of time in foul trouble while defending the post, most of them are stronger, plus Bosh was average at best in Toronto, he has just grown immensely, Who's to say Aldridge cant in this system, point is lets not underrate LMA to uplift Bosh. There are things Bosh exceeds at and there are things LMA does, notably being an above average post player/foul drawer

But I agree, if we can resign Birdman and maybe pick up Dalembert none of this will matter anyway

Lmao average at best in Toronto? Putting up 24/10 is avg now.... interesting, being an all-star several times is average at best? :lol: Foul trouble most of the time? It was just Hibbert he was in foul trouble with and everyone knows he was getting the refs on his side as well.

I have a hard time believing you know anything about Bosh to be honest.
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Post#154 » by BballMania47 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:58 am

Buju wrote:
Heat4daWin wrote:
Laazard wrote:LMA, I mean seriously? You guys are unreal...

You really don't appreciate how good defensively Bosh is. He is ok rim protector, elite pick and roll defender and VERY GOOD post defender when he defends guys his size. Plus, he
1) sets good picks on offense
2)doesn't require much touches and shots
3)has elite efficiency on mid range jumpers what allows us to run pick and pops and space the floor + due to the fact that he is camping near 3pt line he is usually first on defense (and when big is first on defense you are in good situation).

He is a gem guys, gem. There is nobody in this league that we could replace him with(considering his role and our system). LMA is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse defender and less efficient shooter, Love is a liability on D, Garnett is old etc... There is no PF in this league that would be upgarde for us in place of Bosh. Of course if we could get great C for Bosh I wouldn't oppose (e.g. Howard) but that's unreal.

Let's just sign Birdman and Dalambert. hat's really enough.

Oh and I would add somebody young on the perimeter. Maybe one of the undrafted free agents.


Um actually Bosh is average as a post defender, I agree he is very good in the pick n roll but lets be serious, he spends a lot of time in foul trouble while defending the post, most of them are stronger, plus Bosh was average at best in Toronto, he has just grown immensely, Who's to say Aldridge cant in this system, point is lets not underrate LMA to uplift Bosh. There are things Bosh exceeds at and there are things LMA does, notably being an above average post player/foul drawer

But I agree, if we can resign Birdman and maybe pick up Dalembert none of this will matter anyway

Lmao average at best in Toronto? Putting up 24/10 is avg now.... interesting, being an all-star several times is average at best? :lol: Foul trouble most of the time? It was just Hibbert he was in foul trouble with and everyone knows he was getting the refs on his side as well.

I have a hard time believing you know anything about Bosh to be honest.


Hmm... I thought it was obvious that we were talking about defense. But let me be more clear, I know Bosh was a 24/10 guy I was referring to his defense. He was average at best there but now he has grown immensely as an individual defender. I'm well aware that Bosh was a great player as well as an all star and foul trouble JUST against Hibbert is a big deal. Hibbert isn't going anywhere. That's why it is essential we pair someone beside Bosh because he has shown that he cannot guard Hibbert. He was taken totally out of that series due to early foul trouble... we can't afford to lose his offense.
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Post#155 » by ReturnofMVP3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:26 am

Bosh is D in Toronto was a product of coaching staff not caring about D. He was never really bad, but the that team didn't focus on it. This is still a very piss poor thread in my eyes. The guy basically kept us from getting eliminated and we want him gone because he was in foul trouble and we expect him to score as a third option over being a good defensive body.
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Post#156 » by diablerouge » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:00 pm

^
this. you have to consider personnel. with bargs next to him, he had to damn near defend two big guys by himself. not even accounting for the fact that jose calderon allowed dribble penetration every time down the floor.
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Post#157 » by Duane » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:48 pm

Bosh is rather underappreciated until he gets injured and everyone clamors for his return again. Show some respect, folks.
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Post#158 » by No-Man » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:41 am

Seriously, how are Miami fans that watch their team for 3 straight years so clueless? I just dont get it, you know basketball?

It's not just that Bosh is worth more than Asik, Bosh is an absolute NEED for this system to work out, without him there's no way Wade and LeBron could play together.

But if you trade Wade for Asik and a shooter, Delfino for example.

Oh man, that's another story, that team would be nuts.

But Miami is not trading Wade so... there is no point to be made there.
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Post#159 » by HIF » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:37 pm

asik for Miller is more lkely
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