Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!?

[god shammgod]

Did anyone find any info about Celtics having to pay KG additional 7M after the trade? I saw on the Celtics board something about a 7M trade exception but I think they might be confusing some terms.

Hm, you might be referring to the extra millions that Nets had to guarantee for KGs final year? IIRC, Garnetts deal was only guaranteed for ~6 million the last year and in order to waive his no trade clause, Nets had to fully guarantee his last year on the deal, thus giving him 12 million for the last year.

Otherwise, I have no clue.

yeah. kg forced them to guarantee his final year.

[WhateverBro]

Did anyone find any info about Celtics having to pay KG additional 7M after the trade? I saw on the Celtics board something about a 7M trade exception but I think they might be confusing some terms.

Actually, I think I figured out what you're looking for. Apparently, if the Nets/Celtics deal is broken up into three different parts, Celtics could recieve two trade exceptions of around 6 million each. So that, combined with that Nets having to fully guarantee Garnetts last year on his deal, is probably what you were looking for.

[Rasho Brezec]

Did anyone find any info about Celtics having to pay KG additional 7M after the trade? I saw on the Celtics board something about a 7M trade exception but I think they might be confusing some terms.

Actually, I think I figured out what you're looking for. Apparently, if the Nets/Celtics deal is broken up into three different parts, Celtics could recieve two trade exceptions of around 6 million each. So that, combined with that Nets having to fully guarantee Garnetts last year on his deal, is probably what you were looking for.

I don't quite get how this would work. Does it mean that they're trading KG, Pierce and Terry separately? I don't see how that is not considered a circumvention of the CBA, especially after the NBA already threatening to block any trade to Clippers after the Rivers move.

[god shammgod]

Did anyone find any info about Celtics having to pay KG additional 7M after the trade? I saw on the Celtics board something about a 7M trade exception but I think they might be confusing some terms.

Actually, I think I figured out what you're looking for. Apparently, if the Nets/Celtics deal is broken up into three different parts, Celtics could recieve two trade exceptions of around 6 million each. So that, combined with that Nets having to fully guarantee Garnetts last year on his deal, is probably what you were looking for.

I don't quite get how this would work. Does it mean that they're trading KG, Pierce and Terry separately? I don't see how that is not considered a circumvention of the CBA, especially after the NBA already threatening to block any trade to Clippers after the Rivers move.

wasn't the problem there including a coach and a player ?

[Rasho Brezec]

Actually, I think I figured out what you're looking for. Apparently, if the Nets/Celtics deal is broken up into three different parts, Celtics could recieve two trade exceptions of around 6 million each. So that, combined with that Nets having to fully guarantee Garnetts last year on his deal, is probably what you were looking for.

I don't quite get how this would work. Does it mean that they're trading KG, Pierce and Terry separately? I don't see how that is not considered a circumvention of the CBA, especially after the NBA already threatening to block any trade to Clippers after the Rivers move.

wasn't the problem there including a coach and a player ?

The NBA saw any subsequent move as a continuation of the Rivers trade. I don't see how making three separate deals isn't considered the same continuation.

[WhateverBro]

Did anyone find any info about Celtics having to pay KG additional 7M after the trade? I saw on the Celtics board something about a 7M trade exception but I think they might be confusing some terms.

Actually, I think I figured out what you're looking for. Apparently, if the Nets/Celtics deal is broken up into three different parts, Celtics could recieve two trade exceptions of around 6 million each. So that, combined with that Nets having to fully guarantee Garnetts last year on his deal, is probably what you were looking for.

I don't quite get how this would work. Does it mean that they're trading KG, Pierce and Terry separately? I don't see how that is not considered a circumvention of the CBA, especially after the NBA already threatening to block any trade to Clippers after the Rivers move.

Yes, in that case they would trade them separately. And no, it's not a circumvention of the CBA because you're allowed to separate trades in this way. The Rivers-KG thing was different because coaches can't be traded, thus it looked like Rivers was part of the KG deal to the Clippers which is why the league threatened to block it.

[Rasho Brezec]

But it's basically a loophole. Breaking it down into separate trades gains you an advantage over making the deal in one piece. That seems like a circumvention of the CBA.

[god shammgod]

But it's basically a loophole. Breaking it down into separate trades gains you an advantage over making the deal in one piece. That seems like a circumvention of the CBA.

you should contact the league office.

[Rasho Brezec]

I'll contact Ainge and give him my proposal to include the Knicks in a trade.

[TheGarden]

Nets are essentially going all in for 1 year similar to us last year the difference is they don't fit, lack versatility and similar to us could be depleted by injuries

KG and PP are breaking down
D-Wont's ankle
Brooks foot
JJ dealt with nagging injuries as well

[ezmoney707]

I swear most folks that think this a slam dunk deal don't watch the NBA through a course of season. PP and KG are cooked. KG can't even guard PFs at this stage in his career. That is why he has been playing center. PP has lost a step or two and isn't that reliable go to man he use to be. You can't keep these guys in bubble wrap all season and then expect playoffs to come around and this team to click.

[runnyc]

I look forward to the inevitable implosion.

[Rasho Brezec]

They did pretty good with worse talent around them in Boston last year and with Rondo out half the season. They should be serviceable with less minutes played.

[PetroNet]

So the plan is clearly contend short term, then have loads of cap to retool in 2016 and keep pushing forward.

Don't you mean "the blueprint". I strongly suspect that your "blueprint" will work as well this time as it did last time. There's no credible reason whatsoever to expect Durant to take significantly less money (while paying a higher tax rate) to leave an extremely talented group in Okla City to play with a decimated group in Brooklyn, with no control of their draft choices until at least 2019. When the Knicks mortgaged their future in acquiring Anthony, they were at least getting an "in his prime" player. The Nets did it for two guys closer to playing in a Legends game than in an NBA finals. Great move.

paycut? old guys?

nets could max out durant, and he'd be with lopez. KG/Pierce/JJ would all be gone

[kane]

i just find it amazing how far over the cap they are... hell they are over the cap with their starting 5 alone

to pay that much money to a team that might not even be in the top 10 of the league is amazing its like the marlins of basketball

[PetroNet]

this trade is not a slam dunk they got old really old. Last yr the Knicks were an old team these Nyets are much older. They can not play a full season at full strength 50 wins maybe healthy in the plays prolly not and that is what this is about

KG and pierce can both miss the season and the nets might still win 50. they won 49 last year with dwill injured most of the year and no pierce or KG. so, they dont really need to be healthy all year for the nets to pile up regular season wins.

KG needs to play 22-26 minutes and not suck as much as reggie evans
pierce needs to play 22-26 minutes and not suck as much as wallace

those arent lofty expectations.

also, can we stop comparing the knicks older players last year to the nets new older guys? because thats just a horrible comparison.

kidd was 40, he was a role player with dallas prior to the knick relegated to being a spot up shooter.
Pierce is 36, just posted a 19/6/5 seasons on some of the best effeciency/shooting in a long time

camby was 38, coming off one of his worst seasons as a 20 mpg specialist rebounder scoring 4 points a game.
KG is 37, coming off a 15/8/1.5 Season with a PER of 20 and an all-star apperance.

so its not like this is apple to apples here. The 'old guys' the nets got are guys who just carried their team to a playoff spot and posted legit starting player numbers. the knicks had 2 guys who were already on serious decline and where struggling just to be role players

[drekwins]

I think it's great that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity... Just like Orlando and Atlanta a few years ago SMH

1) Miami
2) Brooklyn
3) Chicago
4) Indiana
5) New York
6) Atlanta
7-15) Who cares

[PetroNet]

Nets are essentially going all in for 1 year similar to us last year the difference is they don't fit, lack versatility and similar to us could be depleted by injuries

KG and PP are breaking down
D-Wont's ankle
Brooks foot
JJ dealt with nagging injuries as well

What 20 PER guys did the knicks add last year?
what 19 point-5 rebound-6 assist guy did the knicks add last year?
what 15pt 8 rebounds 2 block all-star did the knicks add last year?

comparing the knicks older additions with the nets older additions is just silly

[makeitstop]

I swear most folks that think this a slam dunk deal don't watch the NBA through a course of season. PP and KG are cooked. KG can't even guard PFs at this stage in his career. That is why he has been playing center. PP has lost a step or two and isn't that reliable go to man he use to be. You can't keep these guys in bubble wrap all season and then expect playoffs to come around and this team to click.

I was listening to Rothenberg last night on the way into the city, and every time anyone brought up how gassed Pierce and KG were in the playoffs, all he kept doing was bringing up regular season numbers. This is the same guy who maintains the the Knicks 'failed' this past season, despite notching a very respectable regular season record.

I like Rothenberg, but dude was being really disingenuous about how he looks at where KG and Pierce really are at this stage in their careers in order to advance his angle about the Nets being 'instant contenders.'

Hell, KG was talking about retiring right after they got bounced. I think the only reason he decided to come back was because Proky threw him an extra six mil guaranteed.

And the Nets face a catch-22 here - play Pierce and KG rotation minutes during the season in order for them to gel with the team (and burning out by Game 82), or put them on a minutes limit until the playoffs and hope that everything works in the post-season. People may deny that, but it's the truth.

It's ironic - the Nets face all the same pitfalls the Knicks did last year, but people are waving off those concerns because PP and KG are future HOFers. News flash - future HOFers are susceptible to injuries, too (see Nash, Steve).

[Pharmcat]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

Grunwald needs to make a move to keep up with chi mia ind bkn or else melo will bolt...he can't fail him like he did carter in tor