LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[chadrucf]

Its a difference of opinion.

There is right and wrong in this world.

I like Noah but the fact is, he can't score for us when we need him.

LMA will make the bucket

Noah will pass it to Boozer

...and Boozer will convert at a higher efficiency than Aldridge. Sounds like a good thing to me.

[chadrucf]

LMA is a legit #2. Noah is a high energy role-player. Stats don't negate this fact.

Facts be damned! It's buzz-words that matter!

[waffle]

how much better is LMA than boozer and in what ways. Younger? I'll give you that

He just isn't a difference maker. He's a nice player on a mediocre team.

[Red Larrivee]

How many winning teams has LMA been on? HUM....

How many winning teams had Bosh been on before he went to Miami?

Players don't put the teams together, general managers do. It's not Aldridge's fault that the Blazers franchise players both ended up having career-threatening/ending injuries.

[IvgenyIAS]

Aldridge is ok but I wouldn't trade Noah for him.

Aldridge (27 years old) career numbers: 18.3 ppg (53.7% TS%), 7.8 reb, 1.9 ast, 0.8 stl, 1.0 blk, 1.6 tov in 35.4 mpg.
Boozer when he was 27 years old career numbers: 16.83 ppg (57.1% TS%), 9.9 reb, 2.3 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.1 tov in 32.3 mpg.

I wouldn't trade Noah for a 27 year old Carlos Boozer and I'm not sure whether Aldridge is that much than Carlos was at the same age to be worth trading Noah for.

[ryan44]

just because aldridge is on a horrible team doesn't mean he's only a "fantasy league kinda guy" what the **** does that even mean...

True enough, but you also can't just say "he's absolutely what the Bulls need" based on stats with a bad team. Some are fine with using absolutes in favor of LMA, but get hypocritical when someone else uses absolutes in the exact same manner, but not to support a view that they want.

[SteelerSpartan]

Portland gets a death stare from me for just demanding Noah alone.....an then they want Jimmy too

Look I like LMA but not enough to bend over and take something like that.

[The Force.]

First of all, Aldridge has never come close to averaging 10 rebounds, last year's 9.1 was his career high.

He averages 7.9 reb/36 for his career, Noah 11.4 per 36.

Blocked shots per 36: Aldridge 1.0, Noah 1.8
Assists per 36: Aldridge 1.9, Noah 2.7
Steals per 36: Aldridge 0.8, Noah 1.0

Aldridge scores 21 a game because he takes 17-18 shots a game. Noah might only give us 12 pts/game, but he does it on only 10 shots.

If you want to see Noah score like Aldridge, all he has to do is start shooting an extra 6 jumpers a game. That'll take his scoring average up to Aldridge's, and lower his TS% down to Aldridge's.

That would come real close to evening things out. Yes, Aldridge would have a slightly higher TS%, but since Noah beats him in every other statistical category, I'll live with it.

TS%1: .539, .594, .557, .579, .561, .534
TS%2: .523, .529, .535, .549, .560, .530

PER1: 15.5, 16.5, 17.9, 18.8, 19.6, 18.1
PER2: 18.5, 19.1, 18.2, 21.5, 22.7, 20.4

Yes, 1 is Noah and 2 is Aldridge.

Yes, Noah has posted a better TS% than Aldridge each and every year of his career. So have him shoot 5 or 6 more jumpers every night, their TS% will even out, and he'll average the 20 everyone so loves Aldridge for averaging.

Noah's OffReb%, DefReb% and TotalReb% are better than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah's Blk% is higher than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah Ast% is better than Aldridge's each of the last 4 years.
Noah's OffRtg has been higher 4 of 6 years.

How does a guy with a lower TS%, lower Reb% across the board, lower Ast%, lower Blk%, lower OffRtg have a higher PER every year?

Yes, that right there tells you how useless PER is.

Again, the only reason anyone wants Aldridge over Noah is his (allegedly) superior offense.

Well look at the actual numbers, their offense is, in reality, pretty damned close to even.

Noah is our emotional leader and the leader of our defense.

Aldridge is owed $30.4 million over the next 2 years.
Jo Noah is owed $36.7 million over the next 3 years.

Noah's offensive game might not be as pretty as Aldridge's, but it is certainly more efficient.

Now that I've actually compared the numbers in-depth, I'm even more against trading Noah for Aldridge. Thankfully, I have enough faith in our front office that I know there is no way in hell that trade will ever happen.

LMA is a legit #2. Noah is a high energy role-player. Stats don't negate this fact.

You play up LMA and discount Noah. How convenient!

I'm not discounting Noah. I'm saying that LMA would be a more valuable player for the Bulls. I'm sick of watching everyone play hot potato in close games leaving Rose to jack up ill advised shots. It gets old.

[CalilLove89]

LMA and Noah are equals, they are just better at different things.

[chadrucf]

LMA can play defense.

Not very well he can't.

[ryan44]

I'm not discounting Noah. I'm saying that LMA would be a more valuable player for the Bulls. I'm sick of watching everyone play hot potato in close games leaving Rose to jack up ill advised shots. It gets old.

Lucky for you, we didn't have to see any of that all this past season.

[waffle]

How many winning teams has LMA been on? HUM....

How many winning teams had Bosh been on before he went to Miami?

Players don't put the teams together, general managers do. It's not Aldridge's fault that the Blazers franchise players both ended up having career-threatening/ending injuries.

and in NO WAY is bosh a dominant player. He's a decent complimentary player who fell into a great situation.

He's passive at times, good thing he plays with a couple of big dogs.

Bosh is a really bright guy and I think works well in Miami. I don't see the same flexibility in LMA's game

[red222]

Portland gets a death stare from me for just demanding Noah alone.....an then they want Jimmy too

Look I like LMA but not enough to bend over and take something like that.

Its a fair deal I would do it if pushed

[The Force.]

LMA can play defense.

Not very well he can't.

He's a competent man defender, he just doesn't get a ton of blocks or boards. Under Thibs I'm sure he would become very solid defensively. He certainly is good enough to guard the West's, Bosh's, and KG's of the east.

[Chitownbulls]

Noah made his 1st all star game this year playing 8 more minutes than he ever has in his career I believe

Now we want to cut his minutes down, if he wasn't playing all those minutes,, is he still an all star?

An once we cut those minutes, his 11.9ppg an 11.1reb will look more like 9ppg 9reb

[CalilLove89]

I think Jo could be more agressive with his tornado, and be close to LMA offensively.

But who knows how LMA would improve next to Derrick, my guess is alot.

[The Kane]

LMA can play defense.

Not very well he can't.

Just like Noah can't score worth a damn. We need offense. We have defense to spare. Therefore, we should trade Noah for Aldridge. That simple.

[waffle]

with LMA out there, maybe the games wouldn't be that close.

and I discount that LMA hasn't had talent around him. Some of those recent Portland teams were better than mediocre and still seemed to underachieve.

[Red Larrivee]

and in NO WAY is bosh a dominant player. He's a decent complimentary player who fell into a great situation.

He's passive at times, good thing he plays with a couple of big dogs.

Bosh is a really bright guy and I think works well in Miami. I don't see the same flexibility in LMA's game

Bosh is more than a complimentary player. He's sacrificing production/stats to play next to two hall-of-famers. Bosh at his best could be a #2 on a championship team.

Aldridge is the same, though historically less efficient than Bosh.

[tre11408]

First of all, Aldridge has never come close to averaging 10 rebounds, last year's 9.1 was his career high.

He averages 7.9 reb/36 for his career, Noah 11.4 per 36.

Blocked shots per 36: Aldridge 1.0, Noah 1.8
Assists per 36: Aldridge 1.9, Noah 2.7
Steals per 36: Aldridge 0.8, Noah 1.0

Aldridge scores 21 a game because he takes 17-18 shots a game. Noah might only give us 12 pts/game, but he does it on only 10 shots.

If you want to see Noah score like Aldridge, all he has to do is start shooting an extra 6 jumpers a game. That'll take his scoring average up to Aldridge's, and lower his TS% down to Aldridge's.

That would come real close to evening things out. Yes, Aldridge would have a slightly higher TS%, but since Noah beats him in every other statistical category, I'll live with it.

TS%1: .539, .594, .557, .579, .561, .534
TS%2: .523, .529, .535, .549, .560, .530

PER1: 15.5, 16.5, 17.9, 18.8, 19.6, 18.1
PER2: 18.5, 19.1, 18.2, 21.5, 22.7, 20.4

Yes, 1 is Noah and 2 is Aldridge.

Yes, Noah has posted a better TS% than Aldridge each and every year of his career. So have him shoot 5 or 6 more jumpers every night, their TS% will even out, and he'll average the 20 everyone so loves Aldridge for averaging.

Noah's OffReb%, DefReb% and TotalReb% are better than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah's Blk% is higher than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah Ast% is better than Aldridge's each of the last 4 years.
Noah's OffRtg has been higher 4 of 6 years.

How does a guy with a lower TS%, lower Reb% across the board, lower Ast%, lower Blk%, lower OffRtg have a higher PER every year?

Yes, that right there tells you how useless PER is.

Again, the only reason anyone wants Aldridge over Noah is his (allegedly) superior offense.

Well look at the actual numbers, their offense is, in reality, pretty damned close to even.

Noah is our emotional leader and the leader of our defense.

Aldridge is owed $30.4 million over the next 2 years.
Jo Noah is owed $36.7 million over the next 3 years.

Noah's offensive game might not be as pretty as Aldridge's, but it is certainly more efficient.

Now that I've actually compared the numbers in-depth, I'm even more against trading Noah for Aldridge. Thankfully, I have enough faith in our front office that I know there is no way in hell that trade will ever happen.

LMA is a legit #2. Noah is a high energy role-player. Stats don't negate this fact.

You play up LMA and discount Noah. How convenient!

Aldridge is a legit #2 guy, Noah is a role player.

Who cares that Noah is better than Aldridge in each and every statistic on the offensive end of the floor outside of jump-shooting percentage, if I say he's a legit #2 and Noah isn't then it must be true!!!