The 2013 free agency thread.

James Gatz · Post #661 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 7:43 pm

Stun704 wrote:OJ Mayo would be a perfect fit for us.

Hate to break it to you but we used up all our cap space.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #662 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 8:23 pm

If we renounce Hendo it would free up $7.7m to give us around $9.5m. It's doable. Not that I like Mayo or anything.

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James Gatz · Post #663 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 8:36 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:If we renounce Hendo it would free up $7.7m to give us around $9.5m. It's doable. Not that I like Mayo or anything.

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Gerald Henderson $7,753,318
Josh McRoberts $4,075,500

Ben Gordon* $13,200,000
Cody Zeller $3,214,200
Ramon Sessions* $5,000,000
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist* $4,809,840
Bismack Biyombo* $3,049,920
Kemba Walker* $2,568,360
Brendan Haywood* $2,050,000
Big Al 13.6
Jeff Taylor* $788,872

With 9 players under contract and min cap holds we are currently sitting at $50647808. So if we renounced Hendo and McBob we could squeeze Mayo in but I hope we don't.

Post #664 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 2:59 am

mayo makes much more sense on this roster today than he did yesterday.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #665 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:32 am

James Gatz wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:If we renounce Hendo it would free up $7.7m to give us around $9.5m. It's doable. Not that I like Mayo or anything.

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Gerald Henderson $7,753,318
Josh McRoberts $4,075,500

Ben Gordon* $13,200,000
Cody Zeller $3,214,200
Ramon Sessions* $5,000,000
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist* $4,809,840
Bismack Biyombo* $3,049,920
Kemba Walker* $2,568,360
Brendan Haywood* $2,050,000
Big Al 13.6
Jeff Taylor* $788,872

With 9 players under contract and min cap holds we are currently sitting at $50647808. So if we renounced Hendo and McBob we could squeeze Mayo in but I hope we don't.

Actually, if you add all those numbers up you get 60,110,010; a solid $2 million over the cap, and it doesn't even include Adrien's salary of $916,099 (though I know that is unguaranteed). Couple things though:

First: I think we've renounced McBob. I'm sure we want him back, but since he's not a restricted FA (like Hendo), so the only reason to keep his cap hold would be to use his bird rights to re-sign him. I highly doubt we'd give him an amount greater than his cap hold, so there's no reason to hold onto his bird rights when it's only hurting our cap situation in the interim. In fact, if we're still holding his cap number then Al's first year would have to be about $10.7m to accomadate the cap. So yeah, I think the only cap holds we have right now are Hendo and Zeller.

Second: It's a miniscule change, but you have to think we're giving Al raises each year of his deal (like virtually every other contract in the league). In my notes I estimated $12.7m - $13.7m - $14.7m. It probably looks like crap when pasted from an excel file but here's my notes on this upcoming year's cap situation.

Ben Gordon - 13,200,000
Al Jefferson - 12,700,000 (Estimated)
Gerald Henderson - 7,753,318 (Cap Hold)
Ramon Sessions - 5,000,000
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 4,809,840
Bismack Biyombo - 3,049,920
Cody Zeller - 3,214,200 (Cap Hold)
Kemba Walker- 2,568,360
Brendan Haywood - 2,050,000
Jeff Adrien - 916,099 (Unguaranteed)
Jeff Taylor - 788,872
Troy Daniels- ??? (Summer league acquisition)
Brandon Triche- ??? (Summer league acquisition)
Tyrus Thomas - 8694215 (AMN; Not counted)
DeSagana Diop - UFA
Josh McRoberts - UFA
Byron Mullens - UFA
Jannero Pargo - UFA
Reggie Williams - UFA

Salary Cap - 58,044,000
Tax Level - 71,600,000
Team Salary - 56,050,609
Cap Space - 1,993,391

Even still, that's only 10 players under contract. Hendo, if we bring him back, is probably not gonna get $7.7m. It would probably be more like $6.5m or so, with the first year at about $5.5m with raises in the years after that. That would give us about $4 million to play with and 11 roster spots filled, and if we do exceed the cap then we can use the mid-level.

The other option would be to renounce Hendo - thus giving us about $9.6m in cap space if we wanted to make a run at another expensive FA. And like Fats said, suddenly a guy like Mayo makes a bit more sense than Hendo.

MasterIchiro · Post #666 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:17 pm

Extra Mayo please!!!! Don't be shy!!!

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #667 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:00 pm

I'm not sure OJ is a "perfect" fit ... but with the addition of Jefferson he's a better fit than Hendo now.

MasterIchiro · Post #668 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:15 pm

We are a dangerous upset specialist 6th seed with Mayo

Kemba Walker/Sessions
OJ Mayo/Gordon
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
Cody Zeller/Biyombo
Al Jefferson/Biyombo/Haywood

Give them a full season to gel and roll the dice in the playoffs against the Bulls or Pacers. It would be bittersweet to upset the Bulls before forking over our pick to them.

But if this 2014 draft is as good as people portray and we receive our POR and DET picks then we can walk away from the draft with 2 more solid young starters.

We have to peak at the right time though. MKG and Zeller have to come up big. At the very least they need to contribute as role players who do a lot of things right and very little wrong.

JDuaneWayne · Post #669 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:31 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:We are a dangerous upset specialist 6th seed with Mayo

Kemba Walker/Sessions
OJ Mayo/Gordon
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
Cody Zeller/Biyombo
Al Jefferson/Biyombo/Haywood

Give them a full season to gel and roll the dice in the playoffs against the Bulls or Pacers. It would be bittersweet to upset the Bulls before forking over our pick to them.

But if this 2014 draft is as good as people portray and we receive our POR and DET picks then we can walk away from the draft with 2 more solid young starters.

We have to peak at the right time though. MKG and Zeller have to come up big. At the very least they need to contribute as role players who do a lot of things right and very little wrong.

I just don't see OJ Mayo being a difference maker. I tried to use the trade machine and see how many net wins (or losses) exchanging Mayo for Henderson would make, using Hollinger's formula.

There is no true fit at SG until we find out if MKG will ever become at least a respectable jump shooter.

Henderson has to be the move with his local ties (playing at Duke), appreciation by the fans, a player who wants to be here, being restricted (hard to set a market), etc. At worst he is a sixth man. I don't think OJ Mayo would accept that role, should we be able to secure a franchise SG, with grace.

MasterIchiro · Post #670 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:53 pm

The trade machine doesn't account for schemes on offense though. Mayo makes Kemba and MKG better slashers and he opens up things down low for Jefferson and Zeller. Mayo makes the whole team around him better when you look outside of the numbers and focus on his style of play. He's a 40% 3pt shooter. I just feel Kemba could do some serious damage playing alongside him. And I think MKG is better off focusing more on his driving. The jumper is really a long term project and they shouldn't depend on him for it.

If we go into 2013-2014 in a weak Eastern Conference having added Jefferson + Mayo + Zeller, the brand I think improves overnight. While the media would not be forced to talk about us, we would no longer be a laughingstock and that's important. It generates excitement for the fans on the fence about paying hard earned money to go see these games. Nobody wants to waste money on a team everyone on TV bashes and laughs at. I think we would even draw some dark horse picks from Around the Horn and PTI and high profile shows that influence market behavior in all sports.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #671 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:59 pm

I like Mayo as a 3 point shooter. Beyond that I'm not as sure.

Don't forget guys that we have Ben Gordon. There are teams that might be willing to trade for him mid-year to either free up cap space for a 2014 free agent run or for tanking.

The team could also potentially address SG next year in the draft depending on how things work out.

Finally 2014 has some decent SG free agents.

The team might be better served taking the long view here rather than reaching for OJ.

MasterIchiro · Post #672 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:07 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I like Mayo as a 3 point shooter. Beyond that I'm not as sure.

Don't forget guys that we have Ben Gordon. There are teams that might be willing to trade for him mid-year to either free up cap space for a 2014 free agent run or for tanking.

The team could also potentially address SG next year in the draft depending on how things work out.

Finally 2014 has some decent SG free agents.

The team might be better served taking the long view here rather than reaching for OJ.

Well I think while Mayo's greatest asset is 3pt shooting and the fact he brings spacing to the team I think he can do more than that. He knows how to handle the ball, create his own shot makes nifty passes. He averaged 4.5 assists. He can play both guard positions. I looked ahead to the next FA class and I don't see a realistic SG.

As far as the draft goes, we can address SG with the DET and POR picks. Even if we don't receive those picks we can still address it because their value rises if we don't receive them. It just means we move closer to those picks being unprotected.

RichBoy923 · Post #673 » by **RichBoy923** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:07 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Don't forget guys that we have Ben Gordon. There are teams that might be willing to trade for him mid-year to either free up cap space for a 2014 free agent run or for tanking.

Not sure I like trading Gordon mid-year. I like the value of his expiring and how it opens our cap space for us. It'd have to be a very enticing offer that included a draft pick for me to even consider it.

JDuaneWayne · Post #674 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:41 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I like Mayo as a 3 point shooter. Beyond that I'm not as sure.

Don't forget guys that we have Ben Gordon. There are teams that might be willing to trade for him mid-year to either free up cap space for a 2014 free agent run or for tanking.

The team could also potentially address SG next year in the draft depending on how things work out.

Finally 2014 has some decent SG free agents.

The team might be better served taking the long view here rather than reaching for OJ.

Well I think while Mayo's greatest asset is 3pt shooting and the fact he brings spacing to the team I think he can do more than that. He knows how to handle the ball, create his own shot makes nifty passes. He averaged 4.5 assists. He can play both guard positions. I looked ahead to the next FA class and I don't see a realistic SG.

As far as the draft goes, we can address SG with the DET and POR picks. Even if we don't receive those picks we can still address it because their value rises if we don't receive them. It just means we move closer to those picks being unprotected.

He DOES NOT know how to handle the ball. To say his handles are suspect is an understatement.

Now to be fair Hendo doesn't have very good handles either, but I'm much more happy with signing him, appeasing the fan base, no more talk of letting draft picks walk, and eventually him becoming our first player off the bench than I am with Mayo.

I think our prototype SG is one who can play a Lebron/Pippen type roll and be the primary facilitator once the ball passes half court. I know those are very good players but I'm just using them as an example or what we should be looking for in our SG of the future.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #675 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:48 pm

The thing is that signing Hendo to $7 mil a year for 5 years only to be a 6th man would make for a bad cap situation long term.

I'm OK with Hendo coming back ... but it has got to be for a reasonable number if he isn't the answer to the team's starting SG for the next few years. To be a starter, and worth that contract, he simply must become a better volume 3 point shooter. It's just not going to work with MKG and Big Al any other way.

RichBoy923 wrote:Not sure I like trading Gordon mid-year. I like the value of his expiring and how it opens our cap space for us. It'd have to be a very enticing offer that included a draft pick for me to even consider it.

The overall point was more that the team had options rather than this one was the best.

HornetJail · Post #676 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:53 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:The thing is that signing Hendo to $7 mil a year for 5 years only to be a 6th man would make for a bad cap situation long term.

I'm OK with Hendo coming back ... but it has got to be for a reasonable number if he isn't the answer to the team's starting SG for the next few years. To be a starter, and worth that contract, he simply must become a better volume 3 point shooter. It's just not going to work with MKG and Big Al any other way.

I think most teams would love to have a sixth man of Henderson's caliber making just $7M a season. Henderson is a starting caliber player, I don't think there's any doubt about that anymore and to have him come off the bench at the wings in a couple years is a huge plus.

RichBoy923 · Post #677 » by **RichBoy923** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 8:00 pm

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MasterIchiro · Post #678 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 8:01 pm

RichBoy923 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/353241772052324352[/tweet]

What does this mean for Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes?

Does it mean what I think it means?

James Gatz · Post #679 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 9:56 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
RichBoy923 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/353241772052324352[/tweet]

What does this mean for Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes?

Does it mean what I think it means?

It means Barnes will come off the bench. Good pick up for Warriors.

JDuaneWayne · Post #680 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 10:10 pm

James Gatz wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
RichBoy923 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/353241772052324352[/tweet]

What does this mean for Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes?

Does it mean what I think it means?

It means Barnes will come off the bench. Good pick up for Warriors.

Still not sold on Barnes as more than a 4th option. One good series in the spotlight and the wagon will fill up.