Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2

[jimij]

Jefferson is looking at 4 years, 60 million??? Who in their right mind would pay THAT??

Thank God Ernie doesn't have cap space this year....

[mhd]

Jefferson gets 3 years, 41 million from the Bobcats.

Their team now:

PG: Walker/Sessions
SG: Henderson/Gordon
SF: MKG/Taylor
PF: Zeller/Biyambo
C: Jefferson/Haywood


They will be bad defensively and need a wing who can shoot. However, I have them above the Hawks & Magic now. Not sure this was the right move. I would have tanked one more year.

[montestewart]

Jefferson gets 3 years, 41 million from the Bobcats.

Their team now:

PG: Walker/Sessions
SG: Henderson/Gordon
SF: MKG/Taylor
PF: Zeller/Biyambo
C: Jefferson/Haywood


They will be bad defensively and need a wing who can shoot. However, I have them above the Hawks & Magic now. Not sure this was the right move. I would have tanked one more year.

I wouldn't rule out them tanking again regardless.

[FAH1223]

Marco Belinelli signs a 2 year $6 million with the Spurs. Looks like Gary Neal is on his way out.

NOLA, Portland and SAC did a 3 team deal.

Vasquez to SAC, Evans to NOLA, and Robin Lopez to Portland.

Earl Clark signs 2 year $9 million with the Cavs.. Team Option on 2nd year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Jefferson gets 3 years, 41 million from the Bobcats.

Their team now:

PG: Walker/Sessions
SG: Henderson/Gordon
SF: MKG/Taylor
PF: Zeller/Biyambo
C: Jefferson/Haywood


They will be bad defensively and need a wing who can shoot. However, I have them above the Hawks & Magic now. Not sure this was the right move. I would have tanked one more year.

They're going to get stuck with a good but not good enough to contend team. They've got several good players now, but they lack a go to scorer and potential superstar to put them into a position of legitimate contention.

All of their key guys are probably capable of being the second, third, or fourth best players on a good team. No superstar. MKG, good. Zeller, good. Jefferson, good. Kemba and Henderson, competent enough guards, capable of starting for a good team if the three guys in the front court are dominant. Sessions and Gordon, overpaid backups but useful for now. Haywood and Biyombo could, in theory, bring some of the defense that Zeller and Jefferson will struggle with.

Yeah, they should have tanked for another year. If I were a fan, I'd hope we still end up in the top five next season.

[stevemcqueen1]

I like the way the Jefferson deal is structured on the surface. I like keeping it to three years, although the player option could potentially put them in an awkward spot for that third year. If I were negotiating with Andrew Bynum, a similar deal structure would be my goal.

But I'm not really sure what Charlotte is trying to do. They're not really building around any one. They've just got a bunch of pieces right now.

[Rafael122]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

IDK what Boston is doing. I admire Ainge for thinking outside the box, but that team is going to be bad next season.

[LyricalRico]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

I dunno, Raf. They're implementing a new coach's system, and with Jefferson they won't be great defensively. Jefferson does give them an inside presence, but I think they are a wing scorer away from being even in the 8th seed conversation. Any overpaid SGs out there that could be had for Tyrus+Gordon?

[penbeast0]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

I dunno, Raf. They're implementing a new coach's system, and with Jefferson they won't be great defensively. Jefferson does give them an inside presence, but I think they are a wing scorer away from being even in the 8th seed conversation. Any overpaid SGs out there that could be had for Tyrus+Gordon?

Ben Gordon isn't overpaid enough for you? (and Tyrus got cut loose according to Wiretap)

[stevemcqueen1]

New Orleans has a good foundation now. Major overhaul of their back court but it should be a better group. They need to deal Gordon now. Too much money, too many injuries, and he doesn't want to be there.

After that, they need to start picking up reasonably priced shooters and a big bodied 7 footer to add some muscle to the Anderson/Davis pairing because that's one of the softest front courts in the league.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Imo, 8th seed would be a huge coup for the Pelicans. The improvement of Kemba and MKG, and getting Zeller likely takes them out of the Wiggins race, so going for a win-now approach will likely fast-track the development of their youth and create buzz and goodwill, not only for winning but for NOT tanking.

As for Gordon, who's gonma take that contract?

[gambitx777]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

IDK what Boston is doing. I admire Ainge for thinking outside the box, but that team is going to be bad next season.

Thats the point, They are attempting to tank. They wan't Parker or Wiggins.

[Kanyewest]

IDK what Boston is doing. I admire Ainge for thinking outside the box, but that team is going to be bad next season.

If you are referring to the Stevens, it is a bit similar to the Doc Rivers hiring when they paid him a lot of money when he didn't do much beforehand and was put on a Boston team that was pretty bad. Ainge has built a championship team and a team that could have easily won it once or twice more if KG was healthy and a few breaks in 2010 against the Lakers. (Although like EG some of his first round picks haven't been great either)

[verbal8]

There is a chance that Howard stays with the Lakers.

Assuming he does not, do you think the Lakers will S&T Howard?

The two destinations that seem to make sense to me would be Golden State or Houston.

Golden state would probably give up Bogut and Barnes or Thompson and Andris Biedrins. I don't see Howard wanting to go there without Curry there.

Houston would probably have to give up less since they don't need a S&T to acquire Howard. Lin and Osik for Howard and Nash could make a ton of sense for both sides. I think it would leave Houston with some room to make another acquisition or 2. For the Lakers the replacements keep them respectable, but make there long-term situation a little better. They also would get a 10+ million dollar TPE.

[LyricalRico]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

I dunno, Raf. They're implementing a new coach's system, and with Jefferson they won't be great defensively. Jefferson does give them an inside presence, but I think they are a wing scorer away from being even in the 8th seed conversation. Any overpaid SGs out there that could be had for Tyrus+Gordon?

Ben Gordon isn't overpaid enough for you? (and Tyrus got cut loose according to Wiretap)

Touche hahaha. I was thinking about a Joe Johnson type - a 20ppg scorer on a huge multi-year deal that can be Jefferson's perimeter counterpart for a few years (Gordon isn't that good and has an expiring contract).

[nate33]

Charlotte has had a dreadful offense over the past several years. They've ranked 28th, 30th and 26th in 2012, 2011 and 2010 respectively. I think they've finally decided to quit trying to develop young players while they're being put in such a position to fail and instead acquire a legit first option scorer to make life easier for everyone else. Zeller should also help with scoring.

Overall, I think it's a pretty good move. I still think they'll be pretty bad, but it will no longer be a demoralizing situation. They could win 30-35 games rather than 21.

Playoff talk is premature though. We know 5 teams will make the playoffs (MIA, IND, NY, BRK, CHI). Of the up-and-coming teams, I think Washington, Toronto and Detroit are way better talentwise than Charlotte; and Cleveland probably is too. And people are writing obituaries way too early for Milwaukee and Atlanta. They're still better than Charlotte and could easily finish in the 35-40 win range.

[nate33]

There is a chance that Howard stays with the Lakers.

Assuming he does not, do you think the Lakers will S&T Howard?

The two destinations that seem to make sense to me would be Golden State or Houston.

Golden state would probably give up Bogut and Barnes or Thompson and Andris Biedrins. I don't see Howard wanting to go there without Curry there.

Houston would probably have to give up less since they don't need a S&T to acquire Howard. Lin and Osik for Howard and Nash could make a ton of sense for both sides. I think it would leave Houston with some room to make another acquisition or 2. For the Lakers the replacements keep them respectable, but make there long-term situation a little better. They also would get a 10+ million dollar TPE.

Most of the Howard suitors are in position to acquire him outright without a S&T so LA has little leverage. I think a S&T only takes place if the acquiring team wants to save some money and LA would rather get something rather than nothing, but LA isn't going to get a premium value.

[tontoz]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

IDK what Boston is doing. I admire Ainge for thinking outside the box, but that team is going to be bad next season.

Just in time for a strong draft. Ainge is just getting his tanked started a little early.

[mhd]

That Bobcats team might be good enough to be an 8th seed to be honest.

IDK what Boston is doing. I admire Ainge for thinking outside the box, but that team is going to be bad next season.

Just in time for a strong draft. Ainge is just getting his tanked started a little early.

Philly and the Suns will be the worst 2 teams in the NBA next year.

[penbeast0]

There is a chance that Howard stays with the Lakers.

Assuming he does not, do you think the Lakers will S&T Howard?

The two destinations that seem to make sense to me would be Golden State or Houston.

Golden state would probably give up Bogut and Barnes or Thompson and Andris Biedrins. I don't see Howard wanting to go there without Curry there.

Houston would probably have to give up less since they don't need a S&T to acquire Howard. Lin and Osik for Howard and Nash could make a ton of sense for both sides. I think it would leave Houston with some room to make another acquisition or 2. For the Lakers the replacements keep them respectable, but make there long-term situation a little better. They also would get a 10+ million dollar TPE.

Most of the Howard suitors are in position to acquire him outright without a S&T so LA has little leverage. I think a S&T only takes place if the acquiring team wants to save some money and LA would rather get something rather than nothing, but LA isn't going to get a premium value.

If Howard wants to go to GS, then the Lakers are one of the few teams that might want to take on the last year of Bogut and Jefferson's contracts to give them room . . . . and GS might be willing to give 2 or even 3 1sts assuming that with Howard and their young talent those 1sts will be late round.

LA competes for one more year if they can stay healthy with

Bogut/Gasol
Gasol/Hill/Peace
Peace/Jefferson
Kobe Jefferson
Nash/Blake

Then almost all of that salary goes away and they can basically create a big market destination for the top group of FAs to play together like Miami did.